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    Unauthorized access
    « on: July 27, 2016, 12:31:35 PM »
    Scenario:
    There is 1 cable and 2 routers.
    A cable has 2 lan wires, one comes for me, and another one for thief.
    My router is A. Thief router is B.
    If I unplug ALL wires from my router, B cannot cant access internet.
    If I plug-in ALL wires for my router. B can access internet.

    The prevention.
    Even If i have set up strong wifi password, constantly changing it.
    Added MAC filtering.
    Thief still can access internet. Even I dont see any unknown devices on DHCP list.
    Is there any options to fill in the router, to stop unauthorized access?

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    Re: Unauthorized access
    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 12:46:26 PM »
    Yes, there is a sway to do that.
    First, you should give some more detail.
    Is this a home network, a small office network or a large campus network?
    What are the model numbers of the two routers?
    Why are two routers needed?
    Where are the routers located?
    Are both routers also Wireless AP?   
    (AP =  Access Point, the normal mode for wireless router.)

    Do you have some kind of guide you used to connect two routers together?
    Example:
    How to Connect Two Routers
    With more information we can find the Internet Pirate.
    Either myself or somebody else will help you with your  Internet  Pirate.

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    Re: Unauthorized access
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 01:18:56 PM »
    How has a theif plugged a cable into your router?  What makes you so sure that someone is stealing your connection?  We've already been through all this before in your other thread.

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      Re: Unauthorized access
      « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2016, 05:00:27 AM »
      Yes, there is a sway to do that.
      First, you should give some more detail.
      Is this a home network, a small office network or a large campus network?
      What are the model numbers of the two routers?
      Why are two routers needed?
      Where are the routers located?
      Are both routers also Wireless AP?   
      (AP =  Access Point, the normal mode for wireless router.)

      Do you have some kind of guide you used to connect two routers together?
      My router: tl-wr841n. thief dont know.
      Its is enought 1 router, but thief using secondary as another access point.
      Both routers support wireless devices. However they are wired.
      Example:
      How to Connect Two Routers
      With more information we can find the Internet Pirate.
      Either myself or somebody else will help you with your  Internet  Pirate.

      Home network.

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      Re: Unauthorized access
      « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2016, 08:37:24 PM »
      # This is dictation. The wireless system used in home networks is sometimes called Wi-Fi and I have to teach this program what Wi-Fi means. From now on when I say it Wi-Fi it means a wireless phone system. Okay, that was not for you, it was for my dictation secretary. She is kind of dumb, actually she is a computer program.
      From your post.
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      Even If i have set up strong wifi password, constantly changing it.
      Added MAC filtering. Thief still can access internet. Even I dont see any unknown devices on DHCP list.
      Is there any options to fill in the router, to stop unauthorized access?

      I see you have a home network. That presuppose you connected a second router in order to increase the range of the Wi-Fi signal and make Wi-Fi available in your entire house. Here is the apparent flaw in your plan. If both routers have Wireless access, then both routers have to have password enabled. Also, the physical location of the second router is critical. Here is why.
      Let's suppose you have a neighbor that is quite friendly and generally honest and would never steal anything out of your garage. But sometimes you leave the garage door unlocked and your neighbor sneaks in through the garage door locates your router and presses the reset button on the back of the router. He knows that will clear the password on the Wi-Fi access and he now can get into your Wi-Fi without knowing the password because there is no password. This is one of the reasons why a second router should not be in a location where somebody can access it without your knowledge.
      Now that's one point and that assumes you have the second router in the  garage. But now  for the second point that you have to pay attention to.
      The password of the second router is controlled only by the second router. The first router will not transfer password information to the second router. In other words, home routers are not made to work together as integrated systems. The second router does not inherit the password restrictions imposed by the first router. The first router can only control Wi-Fi access on its own Wi-Fi transponder. The second router has to have a password set for its on-board wireless transponder.
      Depending on how the routers are set up, it might not be possible to access the second router through the first router. In that case you have to take the cable that goes to the second router and plug it into your computer. Then you can access the second router using the local IP address for that router. Possibly the address would be: 192.168.0.1 and that is what you would put in the address bar of the browser. You will have to check your documentation to see how your routers are set up for local IP address. Anyway, when you get into the second router you'll have to set the password for the second router. Also, you might want to take a note about what channel each router is using. The routers should use different channels but could share the same password. In fact, both routers could use the same station ID and the same password if they have different channels. Went to routers are together in the same area it is important that they do not use adjacent channels or even the same channel. So you would have to come up with a set of channel numbers that would just reduce interference in your area.
      Nevertheless, the most important point is that both routers must have their own Wi-Fi password in place. As for the MAC filter in the first router, it may only work for the Wi-Fi section of the router. And as I stated earlier, each router handles  Wi-Fi separately.

      To summarize, you need to set the Wi-Fi password for the second router. And you need to make sure the second router is not in a location where somebody could sneak in and reset the router.

      I believe those two details will resolve your problem.  :)

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      Re: Unauthorized access
      « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2016, 02:28:03 AM »
      You still haven't explained what makes you so sure that someone else is stealing your connection...

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        Re: Unauthorized access
        « Reply #6 on: July 30, 2016, 01:50:11 PM »
        yes.
        And the another small question.
        If first router have disabled wifi radio, can the second router support wireless devices?
        And. If second router is dependant by 1st router, and it be invisible in DHCP list?

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        Re: Unauthorized access
        « Reply #7 on: July 30, 2016, 02:35:21 PM »
        Here is a screenshot from my XFINITY router.
        Notice there are lots of things on my network.


        All of the devices I can identify. In my case, all of the DHCP is under the control of the main router

        Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is a client/server protocol that automatically provides an Internet Protocol (IP) host with its IP address and other related configuration information such as the subnet mask and default gateway


        Make sure the second router lets the first do DCHP.
        Wireless security is under the control of the router that gives access. If first router has no wireless the second router can do wireless. Even with first doing  DHCP.
        Does that help?

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        Re: Unauthorized access
        « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 03:58:26 PM »
        (1) Please explain why you think someone is stealing your connection

        (2) Your screenshot shows that your router is sitting on the IP range 180.168.x.x - This is a public IP range and should therefore not be used on your router, did you change this?  This should be set to an internal range such as 192.168.x.x.  As it is configured currently, you risk being unable to access certain servers.

        (3) The DHCP doesn't have to list all devices, only those that obtained their IP address automatically.

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          « Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 12:47:25 AM »
          (1) Please explain why you think someone is stealing your connection

          (2) Your screenshot shows that your router is sitting on the IP range 180.168.x.x - This is a public IP range and should therefore not be used on your router, did you change this?  This should be set to an internal range such as 192.168.x.x.  As it is configured currently, you risk being unable to access certain servers.

          (3) The DHCP doesn't have to list all devices, only those that obtained their IP address automatically.

          One person acting very suspicious. That person definately acting like this once stealing ethernet.
          I changed this IP.
          If DHCP do not list all devices, is there any sections who do show it?

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          Re: Unauthorized access
          « Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 03:31:31 AM »
          Guys, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on this ;)

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          Re: Unauthorized access
          « Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 08:09:41 AM »
          Guys, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on this ;)

          Squall's new account?
          I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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            Re: Unauthorized access
            « Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 08:49:30 AM »
            I mean. How to detect devices who have static IP. And how to block them?

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            Re: Unauthorized access
            « Reply #13 on: July 31, 2016, 09:58:40 AM »
            OK, I am going to leave here. The OP says he has two routers and he says he can tell the a pirate  is on the second router. I tole him to set wireless password on second router and keep the  router out of sight or reach of the pirate. He did not respond to my advice. Instead he comes back with another scenario about use of static IP in the DHCP table.

            I am leaving.   ::)

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            Re: Unauthorized access
            « Reply #14 on: July 31, 2016, 10:36:37 AM »
            I'm also going to leave this, apart from someone supposedly acting suspiciously, there is absolutely nothing indicating that the connection is being stolen or that there are two routers, WiFi is disabled as well making stealing the connection impossible without having physical access.

            All I'm going to say is - Change the IPs back to being 192.168.x.x - As it is currently (180.168.x.x) is incorrect and will lead to issues accessing certain websites.

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            Re: Unauthorized access
            « Reply #15 on: July 31, 2016, 11:46:17 AM »
            Squall's new account?
            Perhaps a close relative ;)

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              « Reply #16 on: July 31, 2016, 01:21:09 PM »
              OK, I am going to leave here. The OP says he has two routers and he says he can tell the a pirate  is on the second router. I tole him to set wireless password on second router and keep the  router out of sight or reach of the pirate. He did not respond to my advice. Instead he comes back with another scenario about use of static IP in the DHCP table.

              I am leaving.   ::)

              I CANT access second router.

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              Re: Unauthorized access
              « Reply #17 on: July 31, 2016, 03:00:15 PM »
              I CANT access second router.
              Because it doesn't exist...  ::)

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                Re: Unauthorized access
                « Reply #18 on: August 01, 2016, 12:58:50 AM »
                it exist.
                But there is persona, whos always locked in the room, watching anime trash all day, and jodging ethernet.

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                Re: Unauthorized access
                « Reply #19 on: August 01, 2016, 05:12:20 AM »
                Okay enough. Thread locked.