Pentium D 3.0Ghz Processor Overheating

[JeremyJohn]

Hi there,
I have just moved house after settling down at my new place it was time for me to setup my Computers...

I setup my other computers and they work fine but when it came to my Pentium D CPU the first time i on it just to check my new internet speed it was working fine had it on about less then 10 minutes then when i tried to on this current CPU(currently using it to type this) and my Pentium D together using the same Power point all of the sudden my Pentium D just died then when i tried to on it again i got a beep like "TI TOT, TI TOT, TI TOT" then i tried again then i got an error message like "Your system was previous shutdown due to your processor being overheated".

Then i tried to on it again it works but only lasts for about 10sec then dies again.... and on and on i keep on trying still the same problem...

Then after so many times of trying i decided to look at my processor temperature with my Bios and saw that in that few sec before it auto shutdown the temperature was increasing from 80C to 120C + then the bios shuts it down...

I tried to look for any hardware being lose then saw my Processor Fan was lose then i adjust it back and tried again but still no luck....




Anyone know what is the problem?

So far i only got two guess:
1. During my house moving timewhen my PC was loaded into the lorry maybe when he when into a hole on the road my PC bounce up & down then now something is out of place.

2.Maybe because my house power supply is an old type so there was no enough power flowing so the Motherboard shot circuit.



Thanks

[Computer_Commando]

...my processor temperature with my Bios and saw that in that few sec before it auto shutdown the temperature was increasing from 80C to 120C + then the bios shuts it down...
I tried to look for any hardware being lose then saw my Processor Fan was lose then i adjust it back and tried again but still no luck....

So far i only got two guess:
1. During my house moving timewhen my PC was loaded into the lorry maybe when he when into a hole on the road my PC bounce up & down then now something is out of place.

2.Maybe because my house power supply is an old type so there was no enough power flowing so the Motherboard shot circuit.

1.  Check it again.  Something is still loose or not re-connected properly.
2.  Don't think so.

[JeremyJohn]

OK Done.
Re slot Rams
Re adjust the battery
Took out the Processor FAN & put it back

But after i on it i when to bios to see my temp it's still climbing but i bit slower then earlier.

Do you think the processor is loose also?
if it's loose will i still be able to run my PC? because the 1st time i on it it was working fine.

[Merlyn]

Okay, English? 

Well i think that it could be that your CPU is responding to a slightly higher temperature. Try booting windows and see if it will stabilize?

Merlyn

[JeremyJohn]

Okay, English? 

Sorry for my bad English....

Still the same it still dies when it reach 120C, the temp keeps on climbing when i on the PC. then its auto shutdowns.... 

[Merlyn]

Well here's something to try.

Completely remove the fan, Heatsink (presume it's a desktop) and clean them using a vaccuum, or high volume air canister. remove dust and try letting the CPU cool down till you can almost touch it... if the CPU is generating that much heat i'd get oven gloves and completely remove it (make sure you don't put it on anything that will contain static electricity) and leave it to cool down. once it is cool enough to touch (20-30C) then try re-installing CPU, heatsink and fan. and boot. If the same problem occours i'd consider buying a new CPU?

Merlyn

P.S: Don't forget to remove dust

[BC_Programmer]

I tried to look for any hardware being lose then saw my Processor Fan was lose then i adjust it back and tried again but still no luck....

Sounds to me like you might need to reapply thermal paste if you discovered the heatsink was not fastened securely.

if your CPU is reaching 120c, there is a high chance that there will be permanent damage. (did you mean c or f?)

[Computer_Commando]

Clean out any dust from the cpu heatskink.
Remove fan, clean processor with alcohol, then reapply thermal paste. then reattach fan.
No need to boot into Windows.  Monitoring from BIOS is better until problem is solved.  CPU is not dead, yet, but 120C is getting close to destruction.

[Merlyn]

I run my PC with no "thermal paste" (bad, yeah i know) and it only gets to MAX: 30-40C...

Thermal paste may not be his only problem

Merlyn

[BC_Programmer]

I run my PC with no "thermal paste" (bad, yeah i know)

I doubt it. I had a K6-2 that I removed a thermal pad from and it couldn't start at all. 80c in about 10 seconds.

Recall that all computers come with either thermal compund or a thermal pad- there is no need in most cases to apply it yourself.

[Merlyn]

Lol, i have got a good heat-sink and brand new HP (high powered) fan on there... it stays really cool And no, No thermal paste/pad... i change my CPU alot... i found no point for it...

[rthompson80819]

Thermal paste isn't just for computer CPU's, but for any IC's that run hot enough to need a heat sink.  Either because of the IC circuitry heating up or the environment it works in.

You can look at a CPU and the heat sink and both surfaces will look flat to the naked eye, but in reality there are lots of humps and bumps that prevent 100% heat transfer.  That's where thermal paste comes in.  To fill in the humps and bumps not visible to the naked eye.

Not using it is just pushing your luck.  Over heating either a CPU or any IC will shorten the life by a considerable amount.

[Merlyn]

O.o thanks... might go buy some... =\

[BC_Programmer]

it won't shorten the life of the processor, chip of the temp is somehow acceptable.

my processor has thermal paste applied (and re-applied a few times) and I can't get it to idle below about 50 (c). Although since I can't get it above 60 or so even under 100% load on all four cores I must be doing something right; that and the fact that my K6-2 (which gives off a lot less heat then a P4) couldn't run without overheating without paste or a thermal pad makes me wonder how the heck the temp is being measured.

Actually- 30(c) sounds more like a case temperature then a CPU temperature.

But enough of this back and forth banter! The OP's CPU is overheating- certainly we cannot disagree that reapplying thermal paste (since often times disturbing the heatsink can cause bubbles to form within the paste/compoud (air is a good insulator), disrupting the conducive nature of the compound in a way that makes it less effective.

 

[Merlyn]

Good point... Nope CPU temp is 30C... my case temp is 12 lol!

[JeremyJohn]

if your CPU is reaching 120c, there is a high chance that there will be permanent damage. (did you mean c or f?)

Erm "C".

Sounds to me like you might need to reapply thermal paste if you discovered the heatsink was not fastened securely.

I'm not so sure if my CPU has thermal paste.   

Well here's something to try.

Completely remove the fan, Heatsink (presume it's a desktop) and clean them using a vacuum, or high volume air canister. remove dust and try letting the CPU cool down till you can almost touch it... if the CPU is generating that much heat I'd get oven gloves and completely remove it (make sure you don't put it on anything that will contain static electricity) and leave it to cool down. once it is cool enough to touch (20-30C) then try re-installing CPU, heatsink and fan. and boot. If the same problem occurs I'd consider buying a new CPU?

Merlyn

P.S: Don't forget to remove dust

I tried removing the fan but i cant, I'm not quite sure how to remove it...
I'm not very good with removing main CPU hardware.
If you can teach me I'll try do i have to un-screw the whole MOBO to remove the fan


Here some picture of the FAN it's not really dusty but there u go:
http://img535.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=image001vm.jpg

Another thing when i said that the temp was increasing fast but the CPU was cold like ice. 

When it was working at my old house i usually open the casing and put a stand fan, the temp will be like 85-95C -  is that normal?

My country temp outside is about 30C+ indoor is less.

Do you guys think the Thermometer for the CPU is spoil?


HERE'S THE VIDEO OF IT HEATING UP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUpbjzIOfE&feature=PlayList&p=AE202DE6E0A1CB36&playnext_from=PL

HERE'S A VIDEO OF MY MOBO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZyhSiwOBqw&feature=PlayList&p=AE202DE6E0A1CB36&playnext_from=PL

*sorry for the blur in the recording, my mobile phone camera is abit spoil

[Merlyn]

Sorry for the late reply, i am at College at the moment, when i get home i will try and see if i can look at those video's (probably 5pm today) it's 8:38am right now... Sorry for making you wait... ]

Could be that the diode that reads temperature is fried (but it runs the other CPU fine???)... Do you have another motherboard to try it on?

If you are trying to remove the fan try looking for little clips they're usually hiding somewhere within the set-up. (i can't look at the pics or videos at college, Proxy won't allow)

Merlyn

[Computer_Commando]

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1.  Another thing when i said that the temp was increasing fast but the CPU was cold like ice. 
2.  When it was working at my old house i usually open the casing and put a stand fan, the temp will be like 85-95C -  is that normal?
3.  Do you guys think the Thermometer for the CPU is spoil?..

1.  Are you sure the CPU fan is spinning?
2.  Not normal.
3.  No.

[JeremyJohn]

Sorry for the late reply, i am at College at the moment, when i get home i will try and see if i can look at those video's (probably 5pm today) it's 8:38am right now... Sorry for making you wait... ]

No Problem, I myself was bit busy

Could be that the diode that reads temperature is fried (but it runs the other CPU fine???)... Do you have another motherboard to try it on?

Nope, i which i could try it on this PC I'm using now but it's an old Pentium 3 and the motherboard is an old type.

1.  Are you sure the CPU fan is spinning?

Yes it's spinning like normal.
This same video show the RPM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUpbjzIOfE&feature=PlayList&p=AE202DE6E0A1CB36&playnext_from=PL


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I manage to remove the fan and clean it, I also saw the thermal paste there:
http://img9.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=image011ux.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4K70M3_smQ


Here's some history i should let u guys know:

1. The 1st time i got this PC it came with windows vista but i wanted windows XP... so my cousin helped me to format the PC and at that time he was also checking the temperature he notice there was something wrong with it, i think it was giving a wrong reading so then he adjusted something then it when back to normal.


2. About a few months ago that PC got hit by a very serious virus i could not start any windows with internet the virus will just keep on infecting all the main windows file and my avg will keep on notifying me so i just off it.
Then i decided to clean it before i ask my cousin to help me to format the PC, so i clean all the fans and clean the dust of the motherboard but i made one mistake which now i know i removed the processor fan clip so i think that time the thermal paste separated already but i did not remove the fan.


3.After my major format (^NO.2 above^) i call it major because i had to wipe the whole HDD and repartition it because of that *censored* virus.
Then after reinstalling windows and the my programs.. now there was a real different with the computer, like:
A. When opening a folder while playing music suddenly my music will just start jamming like on hold mode then after the folder is opened then it will continue playing smoothly.
B. If you guys CS aka counter strike 1.6 then u will know there's a menu when u press "H" whenever i press that in game the whole game will hang(freeze up) for 6-9 sec then only continue working.
C. When i open all my games after say 30min-1.5hr depending on the game the game graphic will become very laggy and then my processor fan will start blowing out hot air really hot air with my stand fan directly at it also and the casing open.

Here's the list of game i played with that PC:
BLACKSHOT <<<< this games takes 30min to lag and is the worst to lag the fps would be like 15and below imagine that 
COUNTER STRIKE 1.6
WARCRAFT 3(for DOTA)
SUDDEN ATTACK
NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND 2
Before the major format i could play blackshot for 15hrs+ non stop.... 

BTW: i don't  have a GC i run all that game with inbuilt GC

Imagine this PC the want I'm using now can run COUNTER STRIKE 1.6, WARCRAFT 3 & NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND 2 with no lag and guess what it's an Pentium 3!
It's so shame full my Pentium D became a Pentium 0.66 after formatting it

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OK so now i have clean the fan and the PC i have also put back the CPU fan with no thermal paste but the old thermal paste is still there.

So is it SAFE for me to on it now
I just on it and its still the same the temperature when up to 108c but when i put i hand near the fan it was cold then i offed it.

BTW the processor suppose to blow to the processor or suck out?
Because when i put my hand near it it felt like it was blowing to the processor...
Last time it felt like it was suck out from the processor.

Very strange, do u guys think my power supply unit is spoiled and giving out an opposite charge?

I'm starting to think that what merlyn said the: diode that reads temperature is fried
If it's fried how do i change it or do i have to get a whole new motherboard?

My current mother board is: Intel D946GZis


Thanks