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JagX22

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    Tough Networking Question
    « on: June 14, 2010, 07:06:24 PM »
    Hi all,

    I am trying to re-configure my entire home network. My weapons of choice are as follows:

    Comcast's Cisco Modem
    Linksys E3000 Router
    Linksys WRT160n Router
    Linksys WRT54G Router
    Sony Playstation 3
    Dell (New) Studio XPS 15 Laptop (WIN 7)
    IBM (10 years old) Desktop (WIN XP)
    Acer (3 years old) Desktop (WIN 7)
    HP (6 years old) Laptop (WIN XP)

    Here are my questions:

    Is it possible to hook all three routers up to the one modem (basement, first floor, second floor). Without losing their perks? (By perks, I mean the E3000 allows remote backups to an external HDD and guest accounts).
    Are there benefits to doing this?
    Will it increase my range?
    Should I set the n-routers to specifically n rather than mixed signals, and the same for g?
    The E3000 offers a faster 5GHz signal while the other 2 routers offer 2.4GHz signals, how will this come into effect?
    Ideally, the XPS and PS3 will be on the middle level so wouldn't that be the best place for the E3000?
    Does the PS3 have an n wireless built into it or is it g (old, fat model)?
    I am running multiple OS's on multiple platforms as well as a wireless printer, will it be difficult to network them all together in the end with 3 different router connections?
    What are your suggestions and what would you do if you were facing this predicament?

    My last point is that my connection has (prior to this) solely relied on a one-router, one access point connection prior to this. I have never used the E3000 before this as it is brand new and I haven't hooked it up yet, I was using the WRT160n and it dropped out all the time. I figured by setting up a router on each level of the home it would increase the range, but i'm not sure if they will take away from one another or if it will actually be beneficial.

    Sorry for all the questions and all the text, I would appreciate any help whatsoever. I'm gonna try to do this on my own so the more I know the better. Thanks for all of your help!!

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    Re: Tough Networking Question
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 07:16:28 PM »
    modems usually only have one LAN port.
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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    Re: Tough Networking Question
    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 09:25:05 PM »
    I can't help but feel that three wireless routers in a single family home is not only overkill, but asking for problems.  As BC said, most modems only have one LAN output so that's your first problem.  I've cascaded hardwired routers, but never cascaded wireless routers.

    If you are having reception problems, I think it would be better to use one router and external antennas to boost the range.

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    Re: Tough Networking Question
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 09:48:02 PM »
    Lots of questions. Rather than consider each item one by one, I'm just going to make some general observations. And I'm going to recommend you look over material is available on the Cisco website. Even if  you choose equipment from other manufacturers, the Cisco website has some tools and tutorials that I personally think are very valuable for everyone.
    Now about routers, modems and hubs. Yes, as BC programmer as mentioned a plane simple modem just as one ethernet port.
    The feature that is known as DHCP is often done by the modem. Routers that do not have modems almost always have one port that is labeled WAN and that is where you connect your modem with a standard ethernet category five cable. You'll need to read over carefully the information in your wireless router documentation.
    Now as to hooking routers together, one reason for doing this is to increase the range of the ethernet cable. The cable works well out to about 300 feet and then you have a dangerous picking up noise due to signal loss, cross talk or interference and other such things that happen when you have long cables. If you are satisfied with just only 100 megabit ethernet you should have no problem.
    As for the wireless range, it is difficult to predict the effective range of your wireless. It is possible to get to wireless routers to work together in some fashion but it's just a lot of hassle to get the way it's supposed to. It's usually easier to set up one wireless at one end of your facility and other wireless at the other end of your facility and have them tied together with cable rather than trying to make one a repeater for the other wireless. Of course, that is a personal opinion. I just get tired of trying to go through the documentation and figure out what works and what don't work and why.
    Bear in mind that when you have one router after router there is the question of the DHCP and the use of the WA N Port. As far as I know you can get routers made by different manufacturers to work together. It works for me. But it doesn't always make a lot of sense
    some manufacturers use a different subnet assignment. I don't even know how to explain this in simple terms but I'll give it a try. Let's say that a router made by one manufacturer expects its local IP address to be192.168.0.1 manufacturer expects its local IP address to be192.168.1.1 and you would think because they are two separate addresses they would work fine together. That's wrong! They are not inside the same subnet. To be inside the same subnet all the digits of the opt let's must be the same except for the last. The last octet is the assignments for the subnet. Maybe that's not technically correct, but that's the practical working application. You also need to know exactly what addresses are used by the DHCP device for assignment within that range. Typically it might be all the addresses in the range of 100 to 150 in the last octet.
    Now if you're an IT expert and what I said sounds like a bunch of rubbish, you're right, it does sound like a bunch of rubbish. But this is sort of information you'll get if you search around on all the forums you can find this is the kind of answers you will get when you try to run to routers together on the same network.
    Oh, I forgot to mention, you need to know the local IP used by the modem. Quite often it is192.168.1.254 but there is no guarantee that it will use that assignment.
    If you go to the Cisco site you'll see they offer some free and trial programs to help you sort things out with your local area network using wireless routers. These programs rely heavily upon the MAC of each device in the system. That way it does not depend upon the local IP address assignments. Is worthwhile using the freebie program called network Magic available from Cisco Systems. Go to their website and get a free download. The also have a similar program just for use on wireless systems.
    Pardon me for not organizing this in a clear manner. I am a lousy writer. Hope this is how some help you.
    And pardon me for misspelling Ethernet.  :-[
    Oh, you don't need the N feature for a home system. Your choice.

    Um mm... more misspend words. Octet means a number in the range of 0 to 255 but the frist Octlet is never 0. I think.
    « Last Edit: June 14, 2010, 09:59:50 PM by Geek-9pm »

    JagX22

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      Re: Tough Networking Question
      « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 08:58:07 PM »
      Thank you so much to all three of you.  I appreciate all of the feedback.  As you can imagine I had these questions up on 3 other forums (bleepingcomputer, techguy, techspot) and I seem to be getting overlapping answers in some cases, which is a good thing.  From what I have gaged so far, if I want to daisy chain the 3 routers together, my best bet is to go wired.  I am aware that the modem on has one LAN port.  As of right now, I set up the E3000 to the modem and am using that as my primary router.  From what I have been told, I can use two of the ports in the back of that (as well as a couple cat5s) and string the other two routers to the top and bottom floors.  Then I am told that I have to do something with DHCP as well as change a few numbers on the IP addresses (192.168.1.1 / 192.168.1.2 / 192.168.1.3) .  With all three connected on a wire connection, I am told my range will increase.  RThompson, your external antenna idea might be the best bet for me instead of over-complicating matters.  For now I am working on repairing an old computer, and a few other things so I am going to wait on this networking thing.  When I do move forward with it, I am going to try to daisy chain them and see if there are any benefits, otherwise that's about it.  Thanks again for all your help!