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grandpa_simpson

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Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« on: July 31, 2010, 05:32:28 PM »
If you live in the United States and opose the new Obama Health Care law, you can join the newly filed class action law suit against it.  The suit challeges the constitutionality of the Health Care Law.   In a nut shell, the government has no right to control the health care system..


Here is the Fox News story:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/13/citizens-opposed-health-care-law-join-lawsuit-democratic-leaders/

Here is the site to join the suit:
http://www.van4congress.org/contact/obamacare-class-action/

They require donating any amount to verify your identity.  I donated the "recommended" amount of $10 to help with there administrative costs.  It's a small price to pay to fight for the rights of your country, especially given that our soldiers are dying all the time, defending our freedom.

Although there are some good things in the health bill, we cannot allow the government to control health care.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2010, 05:39:16 PM »
What a bunch of crap. I don't like to see Tea Party propaganda on this site. Your $10 in no way equates with the sacrifice of the poor soldiers forced to die in a pointless war.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 05:43:54 PM »
It's much better to have millions of uninsured people.

I'd suggest, that those people behind the above idiocy read more, maybe travel more to find out, that a whole civilized world has free public health care, except for.....US.

I'd like to see few of those people in a hospital, when their private insurance money run out and they have a choice of dying, or selling their house.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 05:50:54 PM »
Salmon, I'm don't have much money, but I will give what I can to help.  

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Your $10 in no way equates with the sacrifice of the poor soldiers forced to die in a pointless war.

The war is really besides the point of this, it's only a point of view.  Your comment has nothing to do with the main point of the topic.  If you opose the health care law, join the suit, that's all I'm trying to say..

This has nothing to do with the Tea Party or the "left" or "right" side of the government.  It's about standing up for the United States' rights to free enterprise.


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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 05:56:24 PM »

I'd like to see few of those people in a hospital, when their private insurance money run out and they have a choice of dying, or selling their house.

You have a point here.  The health care system needs some changes, but not reform.


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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 06:18:56 PM »
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I'm don't have much money, but I will give what I can to help.
 
You better send those 10 bucks to Africa. It'll feed couple of kids for 6 months.

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Your comment has nothing to do with the main point of the topic.
Ii has a lot to do with the topic. What about those poor soldiers, who got their legs cut off and they end up on the street, because nothing covers them anymore and nobody cares. Especially " free enterprise(s)", like private health insurance.

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The health care system needs some changes, but not reform.
Yes, little by little and around year 2199 the problem will be solved.

grandpa_simpson

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2010, 06:26:01 PM »
Ii has a lot to do with the topic. What about those poor soldiers, who got their legs cut off and they end up on the street, because nothing covers them anymore and nobody cares. Especially " free enterprise(s)", like private health insurance.

In the context that Salmon made that comment, it has absolutely nothing to do with the MAIN point of this topic.  The context of your comment if quite different, and I totally agree with it.  The health care system needs changes to do away with these types of things, but not total reform.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 06:27:41 PM »
Why?

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2010, 06:40:49 PM »
I respect your question Broni, but it wasn't my intention to go into a disscussion about the various aspects of the health care law. 

If you opose the law, joining the suit is one thing you can do to help.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2010, 06:41:55 PM »
The war is really besides the point of this, it's only a point of view.  Your comment has nothing to do with the main point of the topic.  If you opose the health care law, join the suit, that's all I'm trying to say..

you're the one that mentioned it:

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It's a small price to pay to fight for the rights of your country, especially given that our soldiers are dying all the time, defending our freedom.

it's not a "point of view" regarding health care, it's entirely redundant. It's like saying that you think watermelons cost too much and reducing their cost is a small price for grocery stores t opay given that soldiers are dying all the time, defending your freedom, which is clearly ridiculous.

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This has nothing to do with the Tea Party or the "left" or "right" side of the government.  It's about standing up for the United States' rights to free enterprise.




I can't believe, there are actually people opposed to government subsidized/owned health care. In Canada(And I believe in the UK), health care is free. It's paid for from the federal taxes that I get taken off my pay, and if I didn't have a job, it's still free. I don't need "health insurance" because in essence I get it essentially free with the taxes I have to pay anyway. See, that's the difference. The federal taxes I pay go right back into services that I can take advantage of if I'm sick or injured. Sure, there are similar services in the U.S (Medicare/Medicaid, welfare, and so forth, but comparing the two I find that we aren't spending a good quarter of our taxes into "national defense",(seriously, does the average person really see a personal benefit to that? No.) and that some of our taxes are actually being put into the deficit, something which certain other countries seem to be entirely ignoring, for the most part. I don't doubt a dissimiliar situation in the UK, although for reasons that should be obvious I have a habit of Watching my country rather closely :P Which brings me to another point:


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It's a small price to pay to fight for the rights of your country

Yes, fight for your right to pay for what nearly the rest of the world is getting for free. That's certainly a worthy cause. Because everybody knows Canada, the U.K, Australia, Brazil (I think) and all of those countries with federally funded and publically available health care. Are clearly all communist/Socialist. HOW DARE their governments actually provide free services to the people! Somebody ought to bomb them for their insolence.

All that being said, health care isn't perfect even in those countries, there are of course doctor, nurse and bed shortages, there have been a few strike threats, and there have even been strikes (which was unusual since they couldn't actually stop working entirely since it's an essential service). Even with all those issues, at least here you can't slip a doctor a few hundred dollars and bribe your way past that 8 year old on chemo-therapy because you sprained your foot. They aren't a place of business. They should be one of the few bastions in democracy where the hog-nosed idea of capitalism hasn't eroded away the last bits of humanity and causes people to be "turned away" (told to die on a street corner) because the poor hospital has to remain profitable. the words "profit margin" should be as far away from places like hospitals. These are peoples lives, not "customers" that are being dealt with.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2010, 06:46:17 PM »
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In Canada(And I believe in the UK), health care is free
In a whole Europe, it's free.

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I can't believe, there are actually people opposed to government subsidized/owned health care.
I can't either, but I propose another bill/petition/lawsuit:
NO MORE PAY RAISES
I'll pay 10 dollars to support it. Under any circumstances I want any pay raise! Never!

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2010, 06:51:48 PM »
In a whole Europe, it's free.
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yeah, that's what I meant, pretty much, the rest of the civilized world, as you said.


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I can't either, but I propose another bill/petition/lawsuit:
NO MORE PAY RAISES
I'll pay 10 dollars to support it. Under any circumstances I want any pay raise! Never!

Agree.. you'd think there would be some sort of explicit law saying they can't vote themselves higher salaries. That seems more like something that should be put to a public vote. (but of course it isn't, because such a vote would never pass). The U.S is not the only country with the "let's give ourselves raises" problems, though, to be fair; it's rather widespread.
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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2010, 07:06:38 PM »
OMG, I hate to get involved in this thread, but I've never seen so many misstatements of fact (on both sides!) than in this thread.  So far it's mostly been, my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts.

Maybe we need to stick to technical subjects.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2010, 07:12:03 PM »
Just to answer a future question, which surely would be asked...
Where are we going to find all that money to cover all those expenses?

In a moment you'll know...
Not only that, but it'll also cover repairing all those freeways potholes, we have to avoid today and more.
If you're old enough, you have to remember, that 40-50 years ago US was a blooming country. Still remember only father working and covering all bills, so mom was able to stay home and make sure kids didn't become some worthless idiots?

Here is your answer: http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
Wealthy people were paying much higher taxes and poor people were paying much lower taxes.
Like it is in the rest of the world.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe (click on an arrow below "Maximum Personal Income tax", so you can see, that in richer countries, rich people pay way more taxes, than here in US)
Everyone was happy back then and we didn't have freeways potholes.
Well, not everybody. Those with golden shower heads weren't, so things started to change.....for worse...for you and me.

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Re: Class Action Law Suit against Obama Health Care
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2010, 07:24:20 PM »
OMG, I hate to get involved in this thread, but I've never seen so many misstatements of fact (on both sides!) than in this thread.  So far it's mostly been, my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts.

Maybe we need to stick to technical subjects.

please elucidate.
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