Backing up Xbox Games?

[johngetter]

This is pointless.  The question has been answered twice.  What is the point of asking questions if you're not going to bother with reading the answers?

I read the answers fully.

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[BC_Programmer]

I read the answers fully.

So uh may a have a summery? 

Of course, the Summary was just for filing purposes, not because you hadn't read the actual responses.

[CBMatt]

And asking a question that had already been answered must have been to ensure consistency and thoroughness.

[johngetter]

And asking a question that had already been answered must have been to ensure consistency and thoroughness.

I understand this forum does not want to talk about "Illeagle " things.
And this is a help forum.
thanks for your awnsers........

[Azzaboi]

It is legal to burn Xbox and even 360 games to safeguard them from loss or scratches. There is legal issue however...

Yes, you can play single layered disc backup xbox games on a Xbox 360.
You do need to keep the original disc to stay legal.
Not all Xbox 1 games are Compatiable for play on the 360.
Only some DVD burners and Disc will work as well as the software used to burn (Sector Mapping).
You need to Flash the 360 with different Firmware or Mod it (most of these can break your warrent) to be able to play most backup DVDs.
Microsoft own's your XBox and can kill off it's connection to their network.
By purchasing a XBox, you don't own it - Microsoft owns you.

[BC_Programmer]

It is legal to burn Xbox and even 360 games to safeguard them from loss or scratches. There is legal issue however...

So, it's legal, but there is a legal issue. If something is legal, how is there a legal issue? I don't quite understand.

You do need to keep the original disc to stay legal.

Yes you do. Saying otherwise doesn't magically make it so. It's not even legal to have the first copy, for the many reasons that I already stated.

Not all Xbox 1 games are Compatiable for play on the 360.

This has been said.

You need to Flash the 360 with different Firmware or Mod it (most of these can break your warrent) to be able to play most backup DVDs.

They <ALL> break the warranty.

here's a "Summery":

Citation Needed.

[CBMatt]

It is legal to burn Xbox and even 360 games to safeguard them from loss or scratches.

No, it isn't.  Believe it or not, you don't actually have the legal right to make copies of a game, even if you do own it.  This is nonsense made up by ROM peddlers who swear up and down that if you own the original game or if you delete the ROM within 24 hours, it will be perfectly legal.  Wrong.  I personally don't care much either way, but it is tiresome to see people seem to think something is legal just because they say it is.

Most companies will turn the other cheek at those who make protective backups, but that still doesn't make them legal.

(most of these can break your warrent)

As BC stated, ALL methods WILL break the warranty.  Even softmodding.  No exceptions, no maybes.

[Azzaboi]

So, it's legal, but there is a legal issue. If something is legal, how is there a legal issue? I don't quite understand.

I don't own an xbox, but my friends do. I at least still know legal rights...

Most software/game companies allow backups of their disc to 'safeguard them from loss or scratches', some don't (this is written on their copyright statement or the disc itself). It is the same for PC games as well as console games.

Most ROMs are illegal as they are the modification of the original and you don't originally own them, there are only a hand full which are legal (personal creations for example).

Downloading or copying software you don't own - violates federal copyright law.
The no activation cracks bypassing online checks are not legal.

However NO/CD cracks are legal if you own the game and even some game developers release them for people to use. This all depends on how the game security is handle, the original disc must be kept, not shared, sold or giving away. The id / serial of the game must remain unique and used on one machine only at a time. Most games are allowed to be stored fully on the hard drive and run without the disc. Netcafes do this all the time.

The issue when it comes to the xbox is the modding or patching of it to get a copied disc to run isn't legal and as said will break warranty.

Xbox is well known to scratch the disc like crazy if slightly bumped or moved with the disc still in the drive.
Microsoft has a 'money making scheme' ... oh i mean a 'disc replacement program' costing $20 per extra disc copy of a few of the games (not allowed to be copyed by the owner) and sent by post.

Xbox 360 also has disc copying software provided. This is legal and even supported by / offically published by Microsoft. It copies the game to the HDD of the Xbox 360 to play without the disc. Reduces the "wear & tear" of your disk dive, backups discs before they get damaged, makes loading times on some games quicker, increases performance with some of the larger games like GTA 4 and reduces the annoying noise the xbox360 makes. The only con is used drive space.

Look it up before you go on a rant.

[JJ 3000]

Xbox 360 also has disc copying software provided. This is legal and even supported by / offically published by Microsoft. It copies the game to the HDD of the Xbox 360 to play without the disc.

This looks like the info that the OP needs.
Can you explain how to do it?

[Azzaboi]

I probably can ask my friend - as I said don't own an xbox myself.

As far as I know, you simply update your xbox dashboard from online and your've got the new option 'Play from hard drive' under the options somewhere. Click that with the disc in and it copies it all to your HDD. You still need the disc in the drive to verify before starting the game, then it can be removed.

My friend just messaged back:
Download the "DVD2XBOX" software onto your Xbox 360 console from Xbox Live and it appears under applications on the dashboard.
You should make sure your Xbox hard drive has plenty of free space before doing this.

[Carbon Dudeoxide]

Most software/game companies allow backups of their disc to 'safeguard them from loss or scratches', some don't (this is written on their copyright statement or the disc itself). It is the same for PC games as well as console games.

As previously stated, Citation Needed.
Can you provide any examples of companies who allow copying discs for 'backup'?

As far as I know, you simply update your xbox dashboard from online and your've got the new option 'Play from hard drive' under the options somewhere. Click that with the disc in and it copies it all to your HDD. You still need the disc in the drive to verify before starting the game, then it can be removed.

The 'Install To Hard Drive' option does not copy the disc to the Xbox. It installs the game to the hard drive.
This is a move by Microsoft to cut down loading times and speed up gameplay and has been available since the first Xbox.
This is sanctioned and created by Microsoft for their users. This is just like on a computer. You can install the game to the computer, but must have the disc to run it.
DVD2XBOX is a third party piece of software and not supported by MS.

Download the "DVD2XBOX" software onto your Xbox 360 console from Xbox Live and it appears under applications on the dashboard.
You should make sure your Xbox hard drive has plenty of free space before doing this.

DVD2XBOX, according to Google, is an Xbox mod. Mod = against terms of service and voids your warranty.

Xbox 360 also has disc copying software provided. This is legal and even supported by / offically published by Microsoft. It copies the game to the HDD of the Xbox 360 to play without the disc.

Copy disc to HD and run it without the need of the original CD?
What is this feature called? I have never seen it on my Xbox menu before.

Why does this feature not exist? Because you could go to every one of your friend's houses and 'copy' the game to their hard drives. Where's the profit in that? I'll tell you; there is no profit in piracy.

[Azzaboi]

Yeah it's that 'Install To Hard Drive' option as you said (DVD2XBOX i assumed was it), your correct it still requires the disc but just once to verify then fully runs from HD.

i quote...

The new 360 update will still require you to put the original disc in the drive even with it copied to your HHD (or fully installed) so you cant go all willy nilly copying your friend's games. It only need the disc at launching and spins it once to validate it's legal.

1) The disc is only read to verify the security code at the beginning.
2) Once that is done, the optical drive stops and the game loads completely from the HD.

The later 360 models (straight SATA II with larger HDD) are better than the older ones (running USB/SATA combo) to do this, but both should be able to support it after updating.

The older xbox360 games such as Halo 3 and such are not optimized for harddrive install and will run slower.

Oblivion installed to the harddrive has RIDICULOUSLY faster loading times as with Left 4 Dead games and Modern Warfare games, etc.

Huge scratch on one of the discs and still verifies fine and plays completely off the HDD. Microsoft still allows it multiplayer online and it's legal.

[johngetter]

Yeah it's that 'Install To Hard Drive' option as you said (DVD2XBOX i assumed was it), your correct it still requires the disc but just once to verify then fully runs from HD.

i quote...

The new 360 update will still require you to put the original disc in the drive even with it copied to your HHD (or fully installed) so you cant go all willy nilly copying your friend's games. It only need the disc at launching and spins it once to validate it's legal.

1) The disc is only read to verify the security code at the beginning.
2) Once that is done, the optical drive stops and the game loads completely from the HD.

The later 360 models (straight SATA II with larger HDD) are better than the older ones (running USB/SATA combo) to do this, but both should be able to support it after updating.

The older xbox360 games such as Halo 3 and such are not optimized for harddrive install and will run slower.

Oblivion installed to the harddrive has RIDICULOUSLY faster loading times as with Left 4 Dead games and Modern Warfare games, etc.

Huge scratch on one of the discs and still verifies fine and plays completely off the HDD. Microsoft still allows it multiplayer online and it's legal.

It would be nice to run halo 3 off the hard drive.
do you think thats why they didnt make halo 3 for PC?

[johngetter]

As previously stated, Citation Needed.
Can you provide any examples of companies who allow copying discs for 'backup'?
The 'Install To Hard Drive' option does not copy the disc to the Xbox. It installs the game to the hard drive.
This is a move by Microsoft to cut down loading times and speed up gameplay and has been available since the first Xbox.
This is sanctioned and created by Microsoft for their users. This is just like on a computer. You can install the game to the computer, but must have the disc to run it.
DVD2XBOX is a third party piece of software and not supported by MS.
DVD2XBOX, according to Google, is an Xbox mod. Mod = against terms of service and voids your warranty.

Copy disc to HD and run it without the need of the original CD?
What is this feature called? I have never seen it on my Xbox menu before.

Why does this feature not exist? Because you could go to every one of your friend's houses and 'copy' the game to their hard drives. Where's the profit in that? I'll tell you; there is no profit in piracy.

You said this "DVD2XBOX, according to Google, is an Xbox mod. Mod = against terms of service and voids your warranty."

So let me get this strait. If you Mod your 360 it voids warranty....but if i Exchange the HDD in the 360 that would be considered modding correct? Just like a PC?

[BC_Programmer]

I don't own an xbox, but my friends do. I at least still know legal rights...

I don't drive over a bridge, but my friends do, so that makes me a lawyer.

Makes sense to me.

Most software/game companies allow backups of their disc to 'safeguard them from loss or scratches', some don't (this is written on their copyright statement or the disc itself). It is the same for PC games as well as console games.

Really? Name a single commercial PC title and non home-brew console title that specifically say this.

Most ROMs are illegal as they are the modification of the original and you don't originally own them, there are only a hand full which are legal (personal creations for example).

*censored* do "ROMS" have to do with this? Neither the Xbox 360 nor the Xbox runs "ROMS" and the closest anybody came to talking about "ROMS" was me when I noted a specific copyright case regarding Nintendo, which used ROM-cart based games in those days.

However NO/CD cracks are legal if you own the game and even some game developers release them for people to use. This all depends on how the game security is handle, the original disc must be kept, not shared, sold or giving away. The id / serial of the game must remain unique and used on one machine only at a time. Most games are allowed to be stored fully on the hard drive and run without the disc. Netcafes do this all the time.

First, they are almost never legal for something on a console, and second, they are hardly ever legal for PC games. Let me explain.

As I'm sure you're aware, most "No-CD" cracks are distributed as a "patched" executable. Aside from those released by the manufacturer itself (which is still quite uncommon) people patching the executables themselves requires them to "disassemble, modify, and create derivative works" That clearly violates the EULA of almost any semi-modern game.

Xbox is well known to scratch the disc like crazy if slightly bumped or moved with the disc still in the drive.

Didn't know this. (is this both the 360 and the original?). I don't own either. my newest console is a gamecube which seems rather reliable. Of course I don't throw it across the room at full force, like one my friends who went through about 10 gamecubes because they were "fragile". Apparently, if he died in say Super mario he threw the console as hard as he could. He had anger issues.)

Xbox 360 also has disc copying software provided. This is legal and even supported by / offically published by Microsoft. It copies the game to the HDD of the Xbox 360 to play without the disc.

technically it's installing it. I don't think you could make, say, recreate another disk out of this information. It's probably different then what is on the disk in some way. Like I say though, I haven't a clue, I never bothered with anything but Nintendo consoles myself. (most of the "good" titles on the other systems are available for PC).

Reduces the "wear & tear" of your disk dive, backups discs before they get damaged, makes loading times on some games quicker, increases performance with some of the larger games like GTA 4 and reduces the annoying noise the xbox360 makes. The only con is used drive space.

a listing of the pro's and cons doesn't really make a lot of sense here.

Look it up before you go on a rant.

Only thing I can probably rant about is the fact that about 50% of your last post had nothing to do with anything in this topic.


oh hey, wait a tic, there's an entire page of replies I missed here.

Some of my post echoes Carbons.

You said this "DVD2XBOX, according to Google, is an Xbox mod. Mod = against terms of service and voids your warranty."

So let me get this strait. If you Mod your 360 it voids warranty....but if i Exchange the HDD in the 360 that would be considered modding correct? Just like a PC?

We are talking about modifying the actual hardware and software.


I would imagine DVD2XBOX hooks into something and/or performs some sort of modification to the system software in order to install itself. I don't actually know whether this is the case since my hands are still sore from the last time I looked at an original xbox controller. (who the flip designed their controllers? Picasso?)