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    no defrag
    « on: October 09, 2010, 03:47:18 PM »
    I used to defrag the hd regularly using Iobit defrag tool. I noticed about a month ago the defragging process was imperfect instead of telling me there were no clusters left, it said 500 fragments were left, then 600, etc... I thought it might be the defragger which was not the best, and looked for free trials. I now have all the possible ones on the laptop, but none is working. What am I missing? I have Avast anti-virus, windows firewall, ASC, CCleaner, etc... No virus, no spyware, and no defragmentation possible. Win 7 on Acer 1410.
    Help please!
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    Re: no defrag
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 03:49:21 PM »
    Download and run the trial version of Perfect Disk and see what happens.

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      « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 09:20:34 PM »
      I cannot manage to download it. I get the site, the free trial, give my username, wait for the mail they sent me. Then, by clicking on their answer, it gets me in another tab, where I am asked to choose between French, English, German and Spanish version. No matter what I pick up, it opensa new page which is just blank!!!

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      Re: no defrag
      « Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 10:28:00 PM »
      Define "none is working".

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      « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 12:17:01 AM »
      I assume your using Advanced SystemCare...
      Iobit Defrag Tool I believe works in background when the system is idle. Windows 7 hardly needs any defragging anyway.

      You don't normally need to do this, but if your got a processor heavy virus scanners. To force kick trigger idle tasks to run (after ensuring the computer isn't running anything processor hungry):
      Start > Run > type 'Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks' without the quotes and press enter.

      It's recommended to first do a spring clean removing junk files you don't need before the defrag, removing temporary internet files, temp setup files, etc.

      Ensure you have at least 12% hard drive space free when defragging (15% recommended), no matter the size of the drive. Not enough space means defrag will take longer or never be able to complete with fragmented large files.

      Run a 'chkdsk' and scan for any hard drive errors, repair any damage first else defragging could spread errors.

      Defragging can take a while, leave overnight if it's heavily fragmented. Also make sure sleep mode, screen savers, idle virus scanning, etc, are disabled which might affect it - simply turn off the monitor instead. Don't cancel it during this process, it will make it more fragmented and take twice as long next time! Don't use the computer heavily or move files around either.

      Some files might be system locked and the defragging software won't be able to move them - this could be the Windows Page file, etc. You can remove/disable during the defrag and recreate it dumping to the end of the drive at a fixed size (usually 1.5x your total RAM) to prevent getting fragmented but this requires some advance work and best for an normal user to just ignore.

      Afterward it's a good idea to also defrag your boot (computer startup):
      Start > Run > type 'defrag -b %SystemDrive%' without the quotes and press enter.
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      Re: no defrag
      « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 04:39:16 AM »
      I cannot manage to download it. I get the site, the free trial, give my username, wait for the mail they sent me. Then, by clicking on their answer, it gets me in another tab, where I am asked to choose between French, English, German and Spanish version. No matter what I pick up, it opensa new page which is just blank!!!
      Not sure why you're having that problem, but okay. Try the trial version of Diskeeper: http://www.diskeeper.com/

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      Re: no defrag
      « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2010, 04:57:07 PM »
      I now have all the possible ones on the laptop, but none is working.
      Name them.  If more than one of them automatically defrags, as does IObit's Smart Defrag (I use it in my Win XP system), maybe there's some conflict between defraggers.  Perhaps you should uninstall all but one and just try using one at a time.

      Also, are you sure you allowed the defragmentation process to run to completion?

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        « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 05:21:03 PM »
        I tried, but there must be something running on the computer preventing programs from being downloaded. It may be Advanced System Care, which I use, yes. Or an other one...
        When I click to download it, whether the one or the other, on the mail link, a new windows opens, and after a few seconds, stops doing anything. It remains like a new window, called "untitled", and saying "done at the left bottom. Obviously, there is a program preventing the download.
        As defrag tools, I have ASC, Auslogics, A shampoo -working in the background-, Windows utilities, Piriform defraggler, the one from Windows, I suppose... I looked for new ones when Iobit's stopped defragging everything.
        I have 60 gb used on the hd, out of 250 available.
        And I do wish I knew a bit more - or even better a lot more - about computers, but I am jsut about the average Joe, with some knowledge around holes of lack of information 100 times bigger than the amount mastered.
        Thanks a lot for your help.
        By the way, how come Win 7 hardly needs to be defragmented? what is different?

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        Re: no defrag
        « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 05:49:13 PM »
        I have ASC, Auslogics, A shampoo -working in the background-,
        So, three defragers running in the background, right?  Not good.  As I previously stated, try just using one for awhile. 

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        Re: no defrag
        « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 05:51:17 PM »
        Try this one, it's free;  http://www.piriform.com/defraggler

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        « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 06:01:49 PM »
        Win7 almost fixed what resource hog Vista screwed up with the memory management and file access... less file swap means less fragmentation and better performance. I've only defragged Win7 once a year ... it's always been on 0% fragmentation, Vista needs it every 3-6 months and WinXP even relies on it more due to the way they manage the system.

        Basically the way fragmentation occurs is applications and games, etc, are installed on your hard drive or your system is busy creating files. However, when you uninstall, delete or move something it leaves a gap in the middle which gets fulled up by the next file, if that file is too large for the spot it scatters different fragments to different areas of free space it can find. This in turn slows down the system when scanning to read those fragments. The more files being moved around, installs / uninstalls, page file size adjustments, etc, the more fragmentation is likely to occur with a Microsoft OS.

        Linux has a smarter file management system which doesn't need it at all.

        Iobit's software contains a collection of system ultilities, the overall one is 'Advanced System Care' which contains a defragger.

        There's also 'IOBit Security 360' to add protection, they lock down some files and prevent them from moving, being deleted or modified. This shouldn't affect any defrag application but might conflict with some anti-virus software.

        IOBit's main defrag software is called 'Smart Defrag' which orders applications and the system better than a standard defrag.

        Ashampoo also has a application called 'Magical Defrag'.

        If your using multible applications ensure they aren't conflicting with each other to doing the same load of work over again. Ensure only one of the applications (normally the anti-virus) runs in the background continously and also keep the idle background processors to a minimum. Not only do they conflict, but can lock up each other and slow down system performance. Set the less important to manual scan only and run them only when you want.
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        Re: no defrag
        « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2010, 06:07:05 PM »
        Stop preaching that Win7 does not need defragging...it's getting old and simply is not true.
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        « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2010, 06:31:20 PM »
        Oh mercy, oh mercy, mercy... and he said to the deaf / blind non-believers...

        Read what I said dude, I didn't say anything about 'Win7 does not need defragging', I said it was better than it was in previous versions. I said it's almost fixed and doesn't need it as much. Linux is the one that doesn't need it at all.
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        Re: no defrag
        « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2010, 07:16:01 PM »
        Vista - bad, Win 7 - great
        Ughhhh....tired of hearing that nonsense over and over...

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        « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2010, 08:48:12 PM »
        Watch the comedy movie 'Thank you for smoking (2005)' where the guy teachs his son about which is better - vanilla or chocolate icecream. Maybe then you will understand the basics.

        Your got one side saying omg chocolate is the best favour icecream, the other side continously arguing you can't beat the classic vanilla favour. Then your got me... I don't take friggen sides, I don't need to prove one is better over the other in a bias never-ending argument, I just say yeah they are both crap but point out one is slightly less crappy than the other, it's still up to you what you have.
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        Re: no defrag
        « Reply #15 on: October 10, 2010, 08:56:01 PM »
        I'm tired of off topic, absolutely non-constructive posts too.
        I suggest, you start your own blog somewhere else.

        Back to the subject.

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        « Reply #16 on: October 10, 2010, 09:09:26 PM »
        The irony is all my posts are on topic until you guys come around, post owner asked a question and I directly answered it...  ::)
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        « Reply #17 on: October 11, 2010, 05:33:56 AM »
        Win7 almost fixed what resource hog Vista screwed up with the memory management and file access... less file swap means less fragmentation and better performance.  Vista needs it every 3-6 months and WinXP even relies on it more due to the way they manage the system.

        Once again you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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          « Reply #18 on: October 11, 2010, 12:01:21 PM »
          As antivirus, I use Avast, no problems. But a few months ago, PC Tools added an antivirus to teir free softvare (anti-spy- and malware, initially), so I am actually having 2 antivirus running simultanously. Probably not too good. The files which need defragmenting are stuff I downloaded, ironically mostly to protect the computer, like windows utilities...
          I noticed that systeme restore is running, good, but not for the hidden partition, PQSERVICE. On that, systeme restore is turned off. Is it right or should I turn it on?
          I will try to use degraffler, from Piriform and tell you what happens. So far, it is working on disc C, which is the only disc...

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          « Reply #19 on: October 11, 2010, 12:35:00 PM »
          Two av programs will usually cause problems.

          You need to turn off one of your av programs and turn off your defrag programs one by one to see which ones are causing problems and conflicts.

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          « Reply #20 on: October 11, 2010, 02:54:15 PM »
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          You need to turn off one
          You need to uninstall one, to be exact.

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            « Reply #21 on: October 11, 2010, 07:21:09 PM »
            yes... what should I keep? I would think avast is better than PC tools. I realized it had an antivirus a few days ago, while looking at Google updater.
            I tried to run Chrome, out of curiosity... and yes, it is faster than Firefox, but the weird part is that it was - and still is impossible to download Perfect Disk with Firefox, it just went nicely and smoothly with Chrome!
            Perfect Disk analyzed the hd, and said it was excellent, with 60 Gig out of 250 used, a frag rate of 1.8% on C/, of 0.2% on the                                 'unmounted" ones, meaning, I suppose, Windows registry and the mysterious PQSERVICE. Should the unmounted ones be defragmented too? Actually, I think one of the unmounted is the free part of the disk... If it is empty, how can it be fragmented?
            If you can give me some advice, I would appreciate.
            Uninstall PC Tools, no problems. Then what with the firewall? Use windows'?what about windows defender?
            Which program helps best to fix daily problems? I like Advanced System Care, easy and short, I was able to get the Pro version, although I do not notice too much difference between the free one and this one (special offer from Free Apps, a giveaway of a day).
            If I have questions about buying a new computer, should I use a new thread? It seems more logical, no?

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            « Reply #22 on: October 11, 2010, 07:26:44 PM »
            You have way more issues than defrag...possibly because of some apps you have taken a liking to such as  PCTools and Advanced System Care...
            Decide what you want to do from here and we'll go from there...
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            « Reply #23 on: October 11, 2010, 08:57:39 PM »
            1.8% fragmentation is acceptable performance wise... 5-12% fragmentation or more would be time to defrag.

            PQSERVICE is a OS and drivers backup hidden partition for laptops I believe because they are too lazy for CDs these days, it should be fine.

            Advanced System Care is a good overall system cleaner. The Pro version unlocks how much can be 'cleaned' at one times to 'all fixed', for example cleaning out the registry keys and deep cleaning, etc. I recommend using this program 'manually' only and use occacally when you need it, under general settings untick 'minimise to tray' and 'execute at windows startup' and disable under 'automatic system care' and 'automatic privacy sweep'. 'Check for updates' only when the application starts. Disk Defragger (if your using that) 'skip huge files greater than 1GB' and enable 'smart defrag'.

            For anti-virus and firewall try get software which is bundled together - for example Kaspersky Internet Security 2011 for maximum protection in all areas. If your happy with the freebee version of Avast (without the firewall) for anti-virus (or maybe try AVG Free version) and you want a freebee firewall, don't trust the windows firewall as it's a security hole, try something like Zone Alarm (it's can be a bit annoying though).
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            Re: no defrag
            « Reply #24 on: October 12, 2010, 11:29:01 AM »
            Then your got me... I don't take friggen sides

            You don't?

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            Excellent work, great way to backup your arguments with a trustable reference so... WHA! you DIDN'T include a reference? So you're just making biasses remarks. Interesting.

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            Win7 almost fixed what resource hog Vista screwed up with the memory management and file access...
            Win7 changed very little of superfetch, except that it is no longer as aggressive as Vista's. That's pretty much it. the rest is still essentially the same as the original NT6 core, with UI changes.

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            Vista needs it every 3-6 months and WinXP even relies on it more due to the way they manage the system.
            no operating system <NEEDS> defragmentation. The last system I have had to actively defragment to get good performance was a 386 running DOS 6.

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            Linux has a smarter file management system which doesn't need it at all.
            Now who's blindly taking sides? ext3 is more resistant to fragmentation, but not by much more then NTFS. they still get fragmented over use and with specific use-case scenarios. ext4 is more resistant still, but then again so is the NTFS implementation with NT6. Personally I wouldn't bother to defragment any of them, As far as I'm concerned, Defragmentation has become a more "routine maintenance" thing then it really needs to be.


            "fixer" utilities:

            Programs/suites like System Mechanic, Advanced SystemCare, Fix-it utilities, etc are almost useless. they conglomerate a group of inferior tools as a "suite", they all add about 3 processes to startup for "optimization", but the processes just slow everything down. Not to mention people that think they can fix any problem with them. I had an Aunt who, when they had any problem at all (problems saving a word document, can't find the right folder, malware, etc) would always exclaim "I know, I'll run system mechanic" and she did a deep scan (or whatever the most "powerful" one was) of course, 12 hours later the problem was still there. And now Word wouldn't start at all, thanks to some of it's registry keys being deleted for some reason. Now that's progress.

            Using one of these "all-inclusive" program suites to do the job of a AV,firewall, and other components is like holding a spikebed in front of your face when getting hit by a truck. It makes things worse, not better.




            I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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              « Reply #25 on: October 12, 2010, 12:01:27 PM »
              I used Comodo for a while, but it drove me crazy.  You had to click and unclick for anything new, even just opening yahoo.
              No, I don't believe there are any fantastic utilities which would "fix it all", but getting viruses or thousands of tracking cookies does not help either.
              As for the firewall, it depends -curiously- on where you live. In a big city, you have a lot more chances to be hacked or suffer from some intrusions. Here, you have two or three networks around, all too weak to connect to them. Then... question of luck. I got a virus once, which froze the computer and made necessary to format it, looking for travel sites.
              Actually, as I said, I managed to download Perfect Disk using Chrome, and ran it. After a couple of hours, the report said "unable to defrag ... file" again and again. Final results are 0 file defragmented, and 0 mb of free space reclaimed. And that is a mystery for me...

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              « Reply #26 on: October 12, 2010, 12:02:14 PM »
              Programs/suites like System Mechanic, Advanced SystemCare, Fix-it utilities, etc are almost useless. they conglomerate a group of inferior tools as a "suite", they all add about 3 processes to startup for "optimization", but the processes just slow everything down. Not to mention people that think they can fix any problem with them. I had an Aunt who, when they had any problem at all (problems saving a word document, can't find the right folder, malware, etc) would always exclaim "I know, I'll run system mechanic" and she did a deep scan (or whatever the most "powerful" one was) of course, 12 hours later the problem was still there. And now Word wouldn't start at all, thanks to some of it's registry keys being deleted for some reason. Now that's progress.

              Using one of these "all-inclusive" program suites to do the job of a AV,firewall, and other components is like holding a spikebed in front of your face when getting hit by a truck. It makes things worse, not better.
              Couldn't agree more!

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              « Reply #27 on: October 12, 2010, 04:22:35 PM »
              As for the firewall, it depends -curiously- on where you live. In a big city, you have a lot more chances to be hacked or suffer from some intrusions.

              I hate to burst your sense of security, but it doesn't matter where you live, urban or rural, you have the same risk of malware.

              The only exception would be a wireless router without encryption in an urban environment.

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              « Reply #28 on: October 12, 2010, 04:26:51 PM »
              Wow, I never even noticed that. about having a bigger change to be hacked if you live in a city. That's complete nonsense, except in the case where you have an insecure network, in which case they don't have to hack at all.
              I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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              Re: no defrag
              « Reply #29 on: October 12, 2010, 05:32:13 PM »
              What is this topic about?

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              « Reply #30 on: October 12, 2010, 08:31:29 PM »
              Well this is getting way off topic which is why I didn't go into it at first, but since your so curious to know why Windows Firewall is a security hole. There's a lot of hacker tricks out there to easily get around it, it doesn't protect all areas and sometimes just gives a false sense of security. It's designed with the principle 'the firewall should keep out unsolicited traffic', so it's not a flaw as such just a hole.

              For example:

              Let's use Vista (since you love it) with the standard Microsoft firewall turned on and use a basic third-party FTP client.

              Let's use a command line one and rename under Windows/System32 to be called FTP.exe

              Now under the command line we'll use it to connect to any old ftp server, for example:  ftp ftp.microsoft.com

              After you see the "220" greeting message, enter ftp as the user - press enter.
              Now you're prompted for a password - enter anything and press enter.
              Once you're logged on, enter dir - again, press enter.
              You'll see the directory listing succeed, but you'll also see a warning that a connection is being blocked.


              At the same time of telling you to block the connection, it allows it through, woah security hole?
              What's more, even if you specify Keep Blocking, and then go issue another dir command, that one succeeds, bigger hole?

              Let's go look at the Windows Advanced Firewall Rules for Inbound, and see if this sheds any light.

              The first copy is set to block any listening ports opened but the second is fully open even if you tell it to be blocked. Deleting both sets of rules doesn't make a difference, it will keep doing it.


              The FTP client knows that it needs to open a data connection.
              To start the data connection, the FTP client binds to a port, and starts listening.
              The firewall says "Oh no, an unknown program has started listening - better warn them that they won't get any traffic."
              The FTP client checks what port it actually got, and sends a matching PORT command.
              The connection inspection engine says "PORT command? That's my cue!" and opens a hole in the firewall to incoming data connections.
              Microsoft trusts itself and there's the hole - using it against itself.

              Okay, apart from the obvious - that if a hacker could connect out to a server on port 21, nothing's stopping that hacker from transferring data in.

              Finally, is this a vulnerability, a hole, or anything outside the correct operation of a firewall Microsoft should fix? No, because the firewall is documented as blocking unsolicited incoming connections - and by any reasonable definition, the data connection requested by a PORT command is solicited.

              Source? How about Microsoft - Alun Jones ( Security MVP )

              I suggest getting a third party firewall, which doesn't even trust itself.

              As for so-called bad system cleaning applications? Advanced SystemCare it cleans privacy/cookies/junk files, adds an extra layer of security on your web-browser and OS, restricts known bad websites, dialers, etc, checks for hi-jacked settings, and removing basic spyware (yes okay it won't cover the anti-virus's job, neither does Microsoft Windows Defender for that matter and it's the same deal). I don't think it's half the bad application you make it out to be. I would suggest to use it manually though - it also scans registry, etc, but your got full control of that under the options. For a safety feature on the advance scannings it also backups and add a second boot, if the first ever fails you can recover instantly from the second.
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                Re: no defrag
                « Reply #31 on: October 14, 2010, 03:50:19 PM »
                about more security in rural areas, in theory, it does not exist. In reality, you have very few hackers who would patrol around in cars to hack your -secured, but easy to break through... As to malware, of course it still exists but I don't think you are at risk for a personal attack. No one is specifically interested in nobodies living in the middle of nowhere. But yeah, everything can happen.
                When you criticize the suites which pretend being able to fix every problem you may have, I am sure they are not perfect. But what would you use for a fast and easy result? for people who do not know enough about computers to fix them themselves without help? and for some of those "experts" who don't know much more? like some of the technicians at Staples, for instance.