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gun control in america
« on: January 08, 2011, 03:41:56 PM »
is it time for america to introduce gun control following the latest shootings

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 04:44:53 PM »
Any kind of control will only hit the good guys, the bad guys will still be armed.  Look at countries which have fairly strict gun control, the bad guys are armed and willing to use.

In my homeland the good guys who have firearms are required to be licensed, the bad guys just couldn't care less.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 06:23:43 PM »

is it time for america to introduce gun control following the latest shootings

and i suppose England should introduce knife control following the recent stabbings!
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 01:01:01 AM »
I don't see this topic lasting very long.

Don't look at the weapon used instead look at the person using it.
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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 02:46:11 AM »
Any kind of control will only hit the good guys, the bad guys will still be armed.  Look at countries which have fairly strict gun control, the bad guys are armed and willing to use.

In my homeland the good guys who have firearms are required to be licensed, the bad guys just couldn't care less.

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why would the good guys want guns ( other than sport ) and they can be licensed and yes the bad guys will always get guns.


and i suppose England should introduce knife control following the recent stabbings!

yes i agree with you they should , and at least restrict who can buy them in the shops to say over 18



in britain the number of stabbings have dropped way down over the past 2 or 3 years because the young people have caught themselves on .

the number of shootings over the years are not done by bad guys they are done by good guys gone bad or unbalanced.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 02:48:36 AM »
and i suppose England should introduce knife control following the recent stabbings!

And Scotland and Wales? (We won't mention Northern Ireland!)

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 05:40:29 AM »
And Scotland and Wales? (We won't mention Northern Ireland!)

Much like this topic, i couldn't care less!  :P
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 06:03:37 AM »
following the latest shootings

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 06:22:34 AM »
People get shot all the time.


Look at Israel. Compared with the US, they have very relaxed gun laws. That's why it's a very safe place. Everybody has a gun, so no one wants to risk attacking anyone.


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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 06:40:17 AM »
why would the good guys want guns ( other than sport )

How is this relevant? 
Why do you care?   How is it any of your business?

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and they can be licensed

Licensed?  !!??
We already have too much of that crap.
"License" implies 'permission', and therein lies the problem.
Why should I have to have ANYBODIES permission to go buy a gun?   


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and yes the bad guys will always get guns.

There you go.
You got one right.

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yes i agree with you they should , and at least restrict who can buy them in the shops to say over 18

Oh?
What's next then?
Baseball bats?


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in britain the number of stabbings have dropped way down over the past 2 or 3 years because the young people have caught themselves on .

the number of shootings over the years are not done by bad guys they are done by good guys gone bad or unbalanced.


hehehe
You're confusing yourself.
Then, like you said, they are not  "good guys ".


There will always be people out there, that do not grasp human nature, and feel that government can fix everything.
Government (and more laws) cannot.
What more government and more laws CAN do, is restrict freedoms, and make life miserable.
For example:  How about if government said, "Gun ownership is now illegal".     Some people actually believe that this will magically fix violent crime.
Poof!
It'll be gone.
That's just dumb.
It is human nature - for some humans - to do violence.   Hasn't it been going on since the beginning of time?   
In the example here, Government would have really mucked it up, by removing the average people's ability to protect themselves from those that tend towards violence. 
Why should a little guy have to live in fear of a big guy?   


What happens, when guns are removed from SOME people, is that those that retain them become more powerful. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 06:41:03 AM »
Much like this topic, i couldn't care less!  :P

Like many Americans, you seem to think that "England" is the same as Britain.

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 06:45:41 AM »
... following the latest shootings

Why is this latest shooting any different than any other?
Certainly not because one victim has an influential job.    Or because the news media is harping on the incident for a day or two?

There are victims of crime everyday, everywhere - and I bet they and their families feel that what happened to them is equally tragic. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 06:46:43 AM »
Who got shot?

6 people including a Federal Judge and a 9 year old girl were killed, and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is in critical condition with a bullet in her head, after a guy fired shots from a Glock at a public meeting in Tucson Arizona.

http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&topic=h&ncl=dBNrgDWdTN0G0RMCM_fSwYVUI6BnM&scoring=n

In addition to 12 people wounded, the shooting killed 63-year-old Chief Judge John Roll of the U.S. District Court for Arizona; 30-year-old Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords staffer who was engaged to be married; 76-year-old Dorwin Stoddard who was fatally shot in the head while trying to shield his wife; 76-year-old Dorothy Morris; and 79-year-old Phyllis Scheck.

The sixth victim, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Greene, was pronounced dead at a hospital. She was born on September 11, 2001.



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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 07:46:20 AM »
and i suppose England should introduce knife control following the recent stabbings!

The government and police take knife crime so seriously that in 2007 they increased the maximum prison sentence for carrying a knife from two years to four.

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Knives

Manufacture/sell/hire ‘Flick Knife’ or ‘Flick Gun’.

Source: Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act, 1959. Section 1(1).

Offence: It is an offence for a person to manufacture, sell, hire or offer for sale or hire or expose or have in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lend or give to any person:

A) any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the knife, sometimes know as a ‘flick knife’ or ‘flick gun’; or

B) any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device, sometimes known as a ‘gravity knife’.

Powers: Proceedings should be by way of a summons only, unless any of the conditions of s.25 of PACE 1984 are satisfied.

Import

Source: Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act, 1959. Section 1(2).

Offence: It is an offence to import any knife as described in s.1(1) and sometimes known as a ‘flick knife’ or ‘flick gun’ and ‘gravity knife’

Powers: Arrestable offence.

Public Place

Source: Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139(1).

Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches.

Powers: Arrestable offence.

School Premises

Source: Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139A(1).

Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him on school premises any article to which s.139 applies.

Powers: Arrestable offence.

Sell to under 16

Source: Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 141A

Offence: It is an offence for any person to sell to a person under the age of 16 any knife, knife blade, razor blade, axe or any other article which has a blade or is sharply pointed and which is made or adapted for causing injury to the person.

Powers: Proceedings should be by way of a summons only, unless any of the conditions of s.25 of PACE 1984 are satisfied.

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 08:23:22 AM »
And Scotland and Wales? (We won't mention Northern Ireland!)

yes all of Britain , and why not mention Northern Ireland , we have very little knife and gun crime or indeed crime of all sorts over here very few people carry knives and the only guns that are used are by the hoods and terrorists

quote willlyw
How is this relevant? 
Why do you care?   How is it any of your business?

why be nasty willyw

i think the only people who should have guns are the police , sports people and farmers and they should by licensed , anyone else caught with one should face jail

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 08:25:45 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2011, 08:42:53 AM »
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quote willlyw
How is this relevant? 
Why do you care?   How is it any of your business?

why be nasty willyw

Don't read that which is not there.
Those are legitimate questions, brought on by YOUR statement. 

With the reply you gave, the implication is that you have nothing of substance behind your first statement.


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i think the only people who should have guns are the police , sports people and farmers and they should by licensed , anyone else caught with one should face jail

You can think what you like, of course.

I think those things are really dumb.


With that kind of thinking, you're headed for tyranny.   Why heck... let's just keep applying that kind of thought:
Anyone "caught" with a knife should face jail ( unless of course, it is someone on the list that is already approved by someone that is all powerful and can approve such lists)
Next,  let's get them for baseball bats.
How about hatchets and axes?

Oh!   don't forget frying pans... you can really ding somebody with one of those.


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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2011, 09:11:53 AM »
what a waste of time

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2011, 09:24:43 AM »
what a waste of time

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Exactly!   Gun control laws ARE a waste of time.

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2011, 09:52:14 AM »
Exactly!   Gun control laws ARE a waste of time.

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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 09:54:37 AM »
Just one more.
School shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Many parents do care.  There is so much hate and violence that some students really don't want to go to school. But not because they dislike school, but the want to stay alive. It is getting worse in some areas.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »
Just one more.
School shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
Many parents do care.  There is so much hate and violence that some students really don't want to go to school. But not because they dislike school, but the want to stay alive. It is getting worse in some areas.

this is what my question was about and as you say it is getting worse , so why is there not more people/parents doing more to try and do something about the guns and shootings

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Re: gun control in america
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2011, 10:04:09 AM »
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i think the only people who should have guns are the police , sports people and farmers and they should by licensed , anyone else caught with one should face jail

Yes, then you can be just like Canada, where while there are far fewer shootings by members of the public the Police make sure to give theirs plenty of exercise by shooting "suspicious" 14 year olds in the head and tasering immigrants to death because they can't understand what they are saying. Yep, gun control sure solved problems here.

That was sarcastic. It hasn't solved flip all. Why?

Look at drugs. Many of them are illegal to posess, cocaine, Heroin, etc. For marijuana you can get medicinal exemptions (or something). However, do you think that the people creating grow ops in many basements are secretive because they have a license? I doubt it. There are very few growers who actually get a license and are doing it legally.

By the same token, while you can create any number of laws declaring gun ownership illegal and make people have licenses and fill out forms and all that crap, It's not going to stop people from skipping that entirely, it just creates more of a pain in the *censored* for the law-abiding citizens who do go through the process.

Take the attempt they made at prohibition. How well did that work? Not at all.

Basically, the only way to truly have "Gun control laws" is if you have can actually enforce those laws, but you can't just go busting into random peoples houses and performing searches.

My point is, it's not the guns that need to be controlled it's the people using them. If somebody has violent tendencies, they'll find something to express their violence with, wether it's a gun or a knife is redundant. Go to the beach. Find a large stone. Congratulations, you can murder somebody with that.

People have been killing each other with all sorts of different things for thousands upon thousands of years, to think you can write a few words on paper and suddenly the entire place becomes a magical happy utopia with rainbows and unicorns and rose-smelled farts from pleasantly voiced goats is a whimsical fiction drawn up by those liveless activists who have stopped caring about the consequences and are more entranced by getting there, much like those video game violence activists. It seems that every time there is an incident like this, some idiot decides that "something needs to be done". Yes, something does needs to be done. The person responsible needs to be given more then a slap on the wrist and sent to bed without supper. But some activists, bleary eyed and eager for senseless arguments, decide that the problem lies elsewhere, without realizing that even if their crusade was 100% successful, it wouldn't really change much. People would still get guns, it would just be a bigger pain in the *censored* for people to do it by the book. Somehow I doubt gangs and murderers and people planning to kill somebody go through all the paperwork, particularly because the paperwork will make the job of covering their tracks a *censored* of a lot more difficult.


I'm surprised that somehow they haven't worked in new driver's license restrictions, I mean, after all, most armed robberies not only use guns but also a getaway vehicle, so clearly if they just add a "I will not drive those who have committed a crime away from the scene of said crime at high speed" and they've prevented every single bank robbery from ever occuring in the future. It doesn't work like that. Laws are not something that are never broken by anybody, except under the threat of being broken in return, but that sounds a *censored* of a lot more like north Korea then anywhere else, and additionally extending some half-logic that "well, it worked in the  UK" is utter nonsense because while it may have worked in the UK (from experience is hardly something that can be called quality evidence) it sure as *censored* has NOT HELPED in Canada. There are still has many shootings but the vast majority of them are by police, one of the members whom you seem to think should have this inalienable ability to have a gun, for what reason I cannot conceive- and extending that logic further to the US is utter nonsense, particular since those pushing for it are often on the entire other side of an ocean and have absolutely no idea. I mean no offense to Americans by I doubt I'd want to walk through the streets of a large American city without some sort of weapon (*censored*, sometimes I feel that way in Victoria, of course since even posessing a weapon of pretty much any sort is illegal.
The thing is, those who want a gun for protection aren't saying they would shoot somebody; if you are mugged in the street with a gun, and it turns out you have one as well, the mugger will generally run off. Nobody is hurt, except for the mugger's ego, I suppose, but I see no reason we should try to protect that. Basically, it's much akin to the whole "Iron curtain" thing- Mutually Assured Injury, though, rather then destruction.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2011, 10:55:52 AM »
Yes, then you can be just like Canada, where while there are far fewer shootings by members of the public the Police make sure to give theirs plenty of exercise by shooting "suspicious" 14 year olds in the head and tasering immigrants to death because they can't understand what they are saying. Yep, gun control sure solved problems here.

That was sarcastic. It hasn't solved flip all. Why?

Look at drugs. Many of them are illegal to posess, cocaine, Heroin, etc. For marijuana you can get medicinal exemptions (or something). However, do you think that the people creating grow ops in many basements are secretive because they have a license? I doubt it. There are very few growers who actually get a license and are doing it legally.

By the same token, while you can create any number of laws declaring gun ownership illegal and make people have licenses and fill out forms and all that crap, It's not going to stop people from skipping that entirely, it just creates more of a pain in the *censored* for the law-abiding citizens who do go through the process.

Take the attempt they made at prohibition. How well did that work? Not at all.

Basically, the only way to truly have "Gun control laws" is if you have can actually enforce those laws, but you can't just go busting into random peoples houses and performing searches.

My point is, it's not the guns that need to be controlled it's the people using them. If somebody has violent tendencies, they'll find something to express their violence with, wether it's a gun or a knife is redundant. Go to the beach. Find a large stone. Congratulations, you can murder somebody with that.

People have been killing each other with all sorts of different things for thousands upon thousands of years, to think you can write a few words on paper and suddenly the entire place becomes a magical happy utopia with rainbows and unicorns and rose-smelled farts from pleasantly voiced goats is a whimsical fiction drawn up by those liveless activists who have stopped caring about the consequences and are more entranced by getting there, much like those video game violence activists. It seems that every time there is an incident like this, some idiot decides that "something needs to be done". Yes, something does needs to be done. The person responsible needs to be given more then a slap on the wrist and sent to bed without supper. But some activists, bleary eyed and eager for senseless arguments, decide that the problem lies elsewhere, without realizing that even if their crusade was 100% successful, it wouldn't really change much. People would still get guns, it would just be a bigger pain in the *censored* for people to do it by the book. Somehow I doubt gangs and murderers and people planning to kill somebody go through all the paperwork, particularly because the paperwork will make the job of covering their tracks a *censored* of a lot more difficult.



i agree with this part of your statement , but why not change the law and give it a go it may help save lives

in britain twice in 10 years they have a gun and knife amnesty and it always brings in 1000s of weapons although the numbers went down the last time must be because people do not carry as much

some of the weapons ranged from a pocket knife to a machete a small hand gun to a ak47 type

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2011, 11:02:47 AM »
i agree with this part of your statement , but why not change the law and give it a go it may help save lives
And my entire point was basically that no line of reasoning could possibly be applied where it saves lives.

On the other hand, why the *censored* are you constantly starting political topics? Why do you seem surprised every time to find that not everybody agrees with you?
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2011, 11:34:58 AM »
And my entire point was basically that no line of reasoning could possibly be applied where it saves lives.

On the other hand, why the *censored* are you constantly starting political topics? Why do you seem surprised every time to find that not everybody agrees with you?

it was not put down or meant to be a political topic , i asked why do they not start gun control when there are so many shootings

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2011, 11:40:26 AM »
Harry,

Every legally purchased gun in the U.S. is registered. So what more do you want put in place?

I own guns, I will always own guns, and I will continue to buy guns. Like previously has been said good honest people aren't the problem and are the only ones that would be hurt if guns were taken away.

There are various places like Detroit that has gun drives every year that lets people turn in guns to the police with no questions asked and they don't even take your name. Has this lowered the crime rate in Detroit? No all it has done is allow some criminals a chance to turn in a gun that they probably previously used in a crime and should be in an evidence locker but what do you think they police do with these guns? They destroy them. So there goes any chance of connecting the gun that killed somebody to the person that did the killing.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2011, 11:49:57 AM »
ok thank you mroilfield

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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2011, 01:40:25 PM »
Like many Americans, you seem to think that "England" is the same as Britain.

lol, i'm not an American.  Not that it makes a difference.

There will always be people out there, that do not grasp human nature, and feel that government can fix everything.

In agree, no amount of laws will stop idiots spoiling it for everyone else.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2011, 01:49:52 PM »
lol, i'm not an American.  Not that it makes a difference.

I wrote like many Americans. That does not mean I thought that you personally are one. Many other nationalities do it (call the UK "England").


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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2011, 01:56:41 PM »

Many other nationalities do it (call the UK "England").

As do people in the UK. I said 'England' because i wasnt refering to the UK, as Scotland and N.I (not so much Wales) have some different laws concerning knife crime.
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2011, 02:09:05 PM »
As do people in the UK. I said 'England' because i wasnt refering to the UK, as Scotland and N.I (not so much Wales) have some different laws concerning knife crime.

That is a fair point from a legal point of view. The United Kingdom is divided into three distinct legal jurisdictions: English law in England and Wales, Northern Ireland law in Northern Ireland, Scots law in Scotland. Knife law in Northern Ireland and Scotland broadly follows that in England and Wales, with similar penalties and restrictions on marketing, importing, sale, etc. The Republic Of Ireland's law is broadly in line with the UK with some extras - they have the offence of trespassing with a knife which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months (summary) or five years (indictment) imprisonment, and the offence of production of an article capable of inflicting serious injury, including a knife, which also carries a maximum penalty of 12 months (summary) or five years (indictment) imprisonment. Also the Republic of Ireland’s law on offensive weapons is very similar to UK law but with two differences, machetes are designated as offensive weapons in RoI though not in the UK, the maximum penalty for the sale of offensive weapons is five years imprisonment on indictment in RoI, whereas in UK/Northern Ireland the maximum is currently six months and/or a fine of up to £5000 on summary conviction.






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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2011, 02:51:23 PM »
it was not put down or meant to be a political topic , i asked why do they not start gun control when there are so many shootings

Why would they?    In other words, your question assumes that gun control will somehow magically stop shootings.  When a conclusion is based on something that is not relevante, it is just stupid.
We could therefore use the same kind of logic to say:  Why not start birth control, when there are so many shootings? 
Why not have the cops execute criminals in the street, when there are so many shootings?

See how nutty it is?

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Every legally purchased gun in the U.S. is registered. So what more do you want put in place?
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No, it isn't.

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2011, 03:06:34 PM »
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Or a rolling pin. Or a rock. the wording of that law (if that is how it is) would concern me, It could apply to nearly anything. Even a pillow.
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2011, 03:11:06 PM »

Or a rolling pin. Or a rock. the wording of that law (if that is how it is) would concern me, It could apply to nearly anything. Even a pillow.

Especially since most (maybe all) laws are written in Legalese.

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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2011, 03:49:37 PM »
Or a rolling pin. Or a rock. the wording of that law (if that is how it is) would concern me, It could apply to nearly anything. Even a pillow.

There seems to be an Atlantic divide in relation to what people think is appropriate for the law to regulate. You get N Americans saying "I should have the right to carry an Uzi or a sabre without the Gubmint interfering!" and you have the Europeans who say "People who use dangerous objects to threaten or wound or who intend to do those things should be punished.". The Irish law that you quoted sounds to me as if it was framed in such a way as to give the police powers to deal with use (production) of weapons in a way that a specifically worded law would not. This does not mean that everybody who visits a garden store and buys a fence post or a length of angle iron is liable to get busted on the way home. It does mean that e.g. somebody in a bar fight who picks up a pool cue or a beer glass and either uses it to wound or to intimidate somebody can get a higher penalty

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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2011, 04:56:40 PM »
There seems to be an Atlantic divide in relation to what people think is appropriate for the law to regulate. You get N Americans saying "I should have the right to carry an Uzi or a sabre without the Gubmint interfering!" and you have the Europeans who say "People who use dangerous objects to threaten or wound or who intend to do those things should be punished.".

The two things you just said are not opposites.  It seems that you meant them to be.


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I believe it is that way here too, now.   It is the difference between assault, and assault with a weapon.

Although it is not that simple, in the real world.  For one example: If you are using the pool cue to defend yourself from a group that is attacking you.... then obviously you are not assaulting anyone.
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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2011, 09:57:02 PM »
6 people including a Federal Judge and a 9 year old girl were killed, and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is in critical condition with a bullet in her head, after a guy fired shots from a Glock at a public meeting in Tucson Arizona.

http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&topic=h&ncl=dBNrgDWdTN0G0RMCM_fSwYVUI6BnM&scoring=n

In addition to 12 people wounded, the shooting killed 63-year-old Chief Judge John Roll of the U.S. District Court for Arizona; 30-year-old Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords staffer who was engaged to be married; 76-year-old Dorwin Stoddard who was fatally shot in the head while trying to shield his wife; 76-year-old Dorothy Morris; and 79-year-old Phyllis Scheck.

The sixth victim, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Greene, was pronounced dead at a hospital. She was born on September 11, 2001.

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2011, 10:07:33 PM »
That is terrible.
Where was the secret service?
Did nobody have a clue about this guy?
It is unlikely gun laws would have made a difference.

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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2011, 10:43:12 PM »
No, it isn't.

And thank goodness for that.

I have had to register every gun I have purchased and so has my brother in-law and he has over 30 guns.
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2011, 05:38:51 AM »
check out this guy's youtube channel

Yet another delusional idiot who seems to think having an education makes him intelligent. He bangs on about grammar and literacy then makes mistakes.

That is terrible.
Where was the secret service?

Do you honestly think the 'Secret Service' are going to take out every adolescent with a gun and an attitude problem.  ::)
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Where was the secret service?

Why?... what do you mean?

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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2011, 07:09:37 AM »
I have had to register every gun I have purchased and so has my brother in-law ...

Right.   
Why would you?   
Common sense tells you not to.

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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 09:56:05 PM »
Yet another delusional idiot who seems to think having an education makes him intelligent. He bangs on about grammar and literacy then makes mistakes.

Really?

He just murdered six people and wounded twelve others and you want to criticize his grammar?
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 10:24:07 PM »
Really?

He just murdered six people and wounded twelve others and you want to criticize his grammar?

Here's the thing though, unless he did some searches, you make no indication that the channel was in fact the perpetrators. You just said "check out this guy's youtube channel"
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 10:29:07 PM »
But I quoted Salmon Trout's post directly above that (where he refers to the murderer as "a guy") .

Did you think I just randomly added that comment in the middle of the discussion?

Sorry if I made it unclear who "the guy" was. :-[
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2011, 10:59:23 PM »
Did you think I just randomly added that comment in the middle of the discussion?
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« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2011, 05:55:00 AM »

He just murdered six people and wounded twelve others and you want to criticize his grammar?

I was mearly making a indication towards his state of mind. There was nothing else in that video TO criticize. Twist it how you will. Do you work for the press?

What do you want want me to criticize??...........his aim!
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« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2011, 06:01:26 AM »
Okay. I think this thread has outlived whatever usefulness it may have ever had and has reached the stage where the dialog among the members is becoming more confrontational. Not surprising given the nature of the topic, but time to close it.