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One Laptop Per Child.
« on: June 19, 2011, 11:06:06 AM »
One Laptop Per Child.  :)
This project is still alive and doing well.
http://one.laptop.org/

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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 11:11:36 AM »
yeah.... and?
I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 01:05:02 PM »
yeah.... and?
They want to improve the educational opportunities to children in third world - developing encounters. Here in the rest of the world our kidz  learn to to type with their thumbs and can not master the basic rules of English spelling. So we buy them more expensive toys hoping it will motive them to improve. That is the American Way!

So then, How can the OLPC positivity succeed by lessor children with lessor tools? What? Open their minds? Impossible!
Are you not outraged?   :o

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jus toght of dos has nots getting off wh our kidz  ccan nno got. mks us kidz piss off   :o

Of course, anybody who likes what those people are doing could make a donation.
Again, the link is http://one.laptop.org/

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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2011, 05:54:12 AM »
I think what BC is getting at is that this is basically the equivalent of announcing that the streets in L.A. are still paved.


I wonder: are those kids still getting in trouble for using their laptops to look up porn?
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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »
The project 'One Laptop Per Child.' is not about education in advanced countries.
In many developing countries almost half of the population lives in remote rural areas where basic services are very limited. Including educational resources.

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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2011, 05:54:41 PM »
They want to improve the educational opportunities to children in third world - developing encounters.
I hope those "encounters" go well.   :D

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Re: One Laptop Per Child.
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 06:37:19 PM »
I hope those "encounters" go well.   :D
They will, unless somebody tries to teach them English. Or French.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 06:59:06 AM »
    my 1 year old niece owns a ipad, imagine that! ;D

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    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2011, 10:41:22 AM »
    my 1 year old niece owns a ipad, imagine that! ;D

    Then her parents have more money than sense, if you are telling the truth, which I doubt.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 02:29:30 PM »
    The web site link in my first post shows a picture. Look at it carefully. That is not a LA schoolroom. Note even Topeka. That is a real third world classroom and it is not in a major city.

    The mission is to use high tech as a lo-cost way of improving educational experience of teaches and students inn the developing rural area. They  don't have  iPhone. Few have TV. And if they do have TV, maybe one station. And not the native language.

    Those of you that have spent more that a week in the rural area of a developing country understand what I am saying.  These kids are at a disadvantage. Books, maps, crayons, pencils, cardboard have to be bought in the big city. No local Staples in a shaping Mall.

    Once the kids get  these special laptops, they each none  use it to read, write, study, collaborate and explore. Every kid in the classroom gets one. No fooling around. If the kid finds a porn site, it would be what the teacher tole to find.These kids grew up naked most of the time and didn't have underwear until they went to school.  Likely they will find porn sites dull.

    If each laptop can last over three years, it will be more cost-effective that giving them  piles of books, reams of paper and bxs of crayons. Plus it provides Video at a  lower cost than DVDs and projectors and every kid has the best seat. Do the math. It is a great idea.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #10 on: August 18, 2011, 06:27:04 PM »

    The mission is to use high tech as a lo-cost way of improving educational experience of teaches and students inn the developing rural area. They  don't have  iPhone. Few have TV. And if they do have TV, maybe one station. And not the native language.

    Those of you that have spent more that a week in the rural area of a developing country understand what I am saying.  These kids are at a disadvantage. Books, maps, crayons, pencils, cardboard have to be bought in the big city. No local Staples in a shaping Mall.

    Once the kids get  these special laptops, they each none  use it to read, write, study, collaborate and explore. Every kid in the classroom gets one.
    I think the verdict is not in yet on the success of this and, at this point, I am skeptical.  I think computers should not be the primary learning tool for elementary-aged kids.  By the time they reach high school, more computer-based training may well be appropriate and effective, but not for elementary kids.

    No fooling around. If the kid finds a porn site, it would be what the teacher tole to find.These kids grew up naked most of the time and didn't have underwear until they went to school.  Likely they will find porn sites dull.
    Now, those remarks are absurd.  If nudity is more common in poor countries, it's due to poverty and culture.  To associate that with porn is just absurd.  Besides, these kids, at the age portrayed on the website, are too young to have any interest in porn. 

    If each laptop can last over three years, it will be more cost-effective that giving them  piles of books, reams of paper and bxs of crayons. Plus it provides Video at a  lower cost than DVDs and projectors and every kid has the best seat. Do the math. It is a great idea.
    I see a multitude of potential downfalls here.  Lots of dead batteries.  Messed up computers - malware, viruses, and various malfunctions due to kids using devices they have no training to use and probably do not have any significant technical support. 

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #11 on: August 18, 2011, 08:31:39 PM »
    In this bit, when I use the tern 'Western', it really means Britain, western Europe and North America. As in 'Western Culture is very popular.'

    I think the verdict is not in yet on the success of this and, at this point, I am skeptical.  I think computers should not be the primary learning tool for elementary-aged kids.  By the time they reach high school, more computer-based training may well be appropriate and effective, but not for elementary kids.
    Your point is well made. Conventional wisdom is to give older kids better tools. But in this case then kids will have material that otherwise would not be available even at a beginners level.

     This not about teaching children in former  colonial countries where the language is English, German,  Dutch, French, Spanish,  Portuguese or any of the major western languages. Little literature is available in the native languages. The translations of  the Western  literature is expensive and clashes with natives concepts. These computers allow the teachers to produce material in a native language quickly and distribute to all the kids. This is very important for younger children.
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    Now, those remarks are absurd.  If nudity is more common in poor countries, it's due to poverty and culture.  To associate that with porn is just absurd.  Besides, these kids, at the age portrayed on the website, are too young to have any interest in porn.

    Yes, I should not have said that.
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    I see a multitude of potential downfalls here.  Lots of dead batteries.  Messed up computers - malware, viruses, and various malfunctions due to kids using devices they have no training to use and probably do not have any significant technical support.
    The laptops can be powered my other energy sources. The have a very light power requirement. These are not really scaled down laptops. They should be called 'smart  slates' because the idea of children writing on an erasable slate is really an old and proven concept for young children. The principal usage is learning to read and writ their own language. And learn to use a keyboard also.

    They are not going to be downloading materials not suitable for the primary classroom. Older children might. The younger children need access to more fundamental things. Yes, it may be a internet type connection, but it really is a WAN limited to sites that have materials for the native languages classroom. The reason for the internet is due to isolation from the major metropolis in such countries. It is not to let little children learn about the whole world before that can read and write their own language.

    To promote the concept, the idea is being presented to  western sponsors in terms that we understand. Internet,  Video,  Wi-Fi. Color display,  Solid sate memory,  WAN and ad-hoc wireless. The little laptops have these features, but the real value is as a teaching instrument every child can use. They are nearly indestructible. NIH -(Not Invented Here)

    BTW; The screen is readable is sunlight. Try that with your laptop or iPad. They are well-designed. Low-cost does not have to be cheap.

    Yes, the project can fail. It will fail if it follows the trail of commercial enterprise. It is not a scheme to make money from the poor or to stratified their society or create political  division.

    It is an honest attempt to help the lessor ones with no selfish gain. But, for many, it is hard to link that concept with modem technology. Computers are to make us aristocrats - Right? :P

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #12 on: August 18, 2011, 08:35:21 PM »
    These computers allow the teachers to produce material in a native language quickly and distribute to all the kids.

    Linux is great, but it's support for localization simply sucks. I highly doubt you can get, say, a swahili version of Linux Mint.

    The way I see it, it's just another FSF move spawned by ideology and politics than any actual gainful result. Instead of spending money on laptops they could just as easily donate paper and actual writing materials.

    In fact, the way you talk about it, most of the main advantages of this could be duplicated with an etch-a-sketch.
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #13 on: August 18, 2011, 08:37:53 PM »
    Whatever happened to the One large screen Plasma TV Per Child initiative ? ?
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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #14 on: August 19, 2011, 01:59:35 PM »
    Upstaged by a smaller, more cost-effective device.
    The Capitalists are crying.   :'(
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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #15 on: August 19, 2011, 03:01:01 PM »
    Just to reiterate, I think the very concept upon which the idea is based is flawed.

    Basically, the goal is to make it possible for the kids to learn. The problem is that the "Give them all a tablet" approach is a narrow-minded attempt to reach that goal. While school supplies- Pencils and paper, at the very least- are important, They are only a small part of the larger tapestry that needs to be woven for a working school system. It doesn't matter how fancy or technological student's supplies are if their teachers are ill-trained for the task of teaching, and even the best teacher isn't going to be able to teach very well if the curriculum is flawed. Not to mention, a tablet, laptop, or whatever is still an ill-fitting replacement for standard school supplies; it amounts to nothing more than an expensive magna-doodle.

    The idea seems to be to replace expensive(in such areas) consumables like paper, pens, and pencils, with a- ideally sturdy- tablet or other device. This has several problems, though.

    How do students hand in their assignments? Clearly they cannot simply pass their super magna-doodles to the front of the class. This would require removable storage, such as flash drives, SD cards, etc. I am fairly certain that these are not something you can pick up at the local markets in those areas. And, they are still limited in how much they can store; so we're back to the fact that there are consumables involved. I have no doubt that supplies like paper and pencils are hard to come by in some areas, but I'm fairly certain that it's still easier to get a couple reams of paper than it is to get a 2GB storage device. Which brings me back to the fact that the entire thing is rather likely to be politically motivated. There are a lot of blogs and posts and articles about this, but for some reason I cannot seem to find a straight answer to it. Some of them say that it is silly to decry the project as a success or a failure at this juncture. Obviously, it's impossible to know what would have happened if instead of pushing some piece of technology as a snake oil solution to the problem of education in third world countries we actually gave them the same type of stuff first world countries are using- paper, pens, pencils, so forth. Since the only thing the super magna-doodle replaces is paper, pens, pencils, and possibly a calculator, I personally am not sure why the project is heralded by some as a cure-all panacea to the educational problems in the third world. If these devices were so damned useful, OUR schools would be using them too. The fact that schools are still using pens, pencils, paper, and actual physical books says a lot about the actual economic and logistic feasibility of the concept.

    Thing is, in all my searching, I cannot find a single proponent of the idea that doesn't meander on about nonsense. One post/article I found says this:

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    We have a possible path to preventing global ecological, economic, and military destruction, by bringing a billion children and their families and friends into the search for solutions.
    What does this even mean? It's utter nonsense. How is giving them a super magna-doodle going to make them "search for solutions" and solutions to what? How would them getting a few tablet PCs prevent ecological, economic, and military destruction? It doesn't. The fact that many of the proponents of the project can't go a single paragraph without spewing some FUD like that gives me pause, particularly paired with the fact that their reasoning behind sending these devices rather than paper/pencils etc is ill-thought out.
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #16 on: August 19, 2011, 04:39:06 PM »
    How do students hand in their assignments?

    Exactly.

    Exams are still on paper. Students don't write on paper anymore - they don't have enough practice.

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    « Reply #17 on: August 19, 2011, 05:10:28 PM »
    One of the original concepts was to give wireless internet access to under developed areas.  But some where along the line people forgot that just giving a kid a netbook that had wireless access build in  doesn't mean that he (or she) can actually get on the internet, especially if they are out in the middle of nowhere.  That takes a lot of infrastructure that nobody seemed to plan for.  You need transmitters, receivers, and a lot of other stuff to make that happen even for a small area.

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    Re: One Laptop Per Child.
    « Reply #18 on: August 19, 2011, 05:43:31 PM »
    You critical remarks are quite reasonable. It does seem like overkill to solve a fundamental issue.

    One Laptop per Child.
    Here is what Wikipedia has to say:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child
    As is often the case, the Wikipedia articles need some revision. Still, it is a starting point for those who want to look into this topic.

    As I have tried to point lout, this is not about imposing western  politics upon  developing nations. Because technology is a big part of this, many are, for good reason, very suspicious. Time will tell if this project will really fly.

    I want to con continue this topic. Right now I am having much  fun learning about boot managers and shall put this topic on hold.

    Please carry on

    Here are some critics. Notice the dates. The death was declared as a fact before the coroner came. CPR?

    http://blogs.computerworld.com/one_laptop_per_child_built_for_failure

    http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/NussbaumOnDesign/archives/2007/09/its_time_to_call_one_laptop_per_child_a_failure.html

    http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/09/09/why_did_one_laptop_per_child_fail

    Did it fail? If so, Why?