Author Topic: PCI-E vs PCI - Express (Read 23116 times)

bigal50 · « **on:** April 09, 2012, 11:45:41 PM »

Dumb question........is PCI-E and PCI - Express the same thing

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2012, 12:42:38 AM »

No, not exactly the same. Just close. And dumb questions are allowed. I can provide dumb answers, if needed.

PCI was a great improvement over what we had before. Then the time came for something better. so the PCI bus was feed steroids and... Just kidding!

Here is a good outline of what they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

Basically, The AGP thing was a dud. They kept changing it. Drove normal gentry to extreme agitation. So the PCI express fulled a dire need.

quaxo · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:29:39 AM »

I think perhaps Geek misread what you said the first time. Yes, they are the same.

PCI-E (or PCIe) and PCI Express are the same thing. PCI Express is what you find in most computers now. It replaced AGP, PCI-X, and PCI. PCIe supports a number of different things (graphics cards, sound cards, etc.)

AGP was the "better than PCI" slot for graphics cards, but that was all it was good for, graphics cards. It was around for maybe 7 or 8 years before PCIe came in and made AGP look stupid.

PCI-X (or PCIx) is different from PCI Express. PCI-X is the one that is PCI on steroids. It was like the old 32-bit PCI slots, but twice as long for larger bandwidth. Used mostly in server boards back in the day.

PCI (no other lettering or words) is yet another different and older type of slot. These slots were used for many expansion cards (network, graphics, audio, just about anything) and phased out the VLB and ISA slots commonly found on boards before that.

bigal50 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2012, 04:13:23 PM »

So then technically i can install a PCI-E video card in a PCE-Express slot

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Linux711 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2012, 04:21:23 PM »

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So then technically i can install a PCI-E video card in a PCE-Express slot

Absolutely. PCI-E is an abbreviation of PCI-Express. It is the exact same thing.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2012, 05:11:48 PM »

Quote from: bigal50 on April 14, 2012, 04:13:23 PM

So then technically i can install a PCI-E video card in a PCE-Express slot ?

Despite what Geek wrote, PCI-E is an abbreviation for PCI Express, which is a type of PC expansion bus. However, beware. Just because a card is PCI Express, that does not mean you can use it in any PCI Express slot. PCI slots come in different physical sizes and speeds. Card and slot compatibility can be a complex issue. Don't rush into a purchasing decision before thoroughly checking this out.

bigal50 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2012, 07:27:56 PM »

Well this is what happened one of my computers has a on board AGP slot but the video went out. So i assumed that the on-board connection went out. I tested the LCD monitor on other computers and the video was fine. So I bought a used PCI-e video card and installed it into the PCI-Express slot in the computer. But still no video !!!!! So either the card is bad or what else can it be, the PCI-Express slot itself or could it be the "RAM" !!!!!!!!!

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2012, 11:27:29 PM »

I'm quite certain A system will not have AGP (on-board or otherwise) and PCI-Express.

The slot is probably standard PCI.

refer to the images shown here to see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_bus_interfaces

bigal50 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2012, 10:59:24 AM »

To BC_Programmer,

I appreciate your help but yes this computer that I speak of has an on board AGP and a PCI-Express slot. It says so right on the motherboard

??

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2012, 12:11:01 PM »

Quote from: bigal50 on April 15, 2012, 10:59:24 AM

It says so right on the motherboard ??

And the brand and model number is.... ? Also of the PCI-E card you fitted?

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2012, 12:58:43 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on April 14, 2012, 11:27:29 PM

I'm quite certain A system will not have AGP (on-board or otherwise) and PCI-Express.

They did exist. The ULi M1695 (NB) M1697 (SB) chipsets was one of the very few to support both types of slot at once without poor AGP performance. The ASRock 939 series of motherboards used it. Some Via and SiS chipsets also. Some board makers like ECS, Gigabyte marketed boards which used the Intel 915 chipset and ran the AGP slot off the PCI bus which was a horrible kludge.

Anyhow, if the OP would oblige us with the make and brand of the motherboard, and of the card, it might be possible (no promises) to suggest things to try, e.g. BIOS settings.

patio · « **Reply #11 on:** April 15, 2012, 04:51:45 PM »

My bet would be it's none of those boards mentioned...
He needs to post more info though.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2012, 12:04:32 AM »

We may have been looking up a blind alley.

The first time he mentioned AGP he wrote this

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one of my computers has a on board AGP slot

See the word "slot"?

The second time he wrote this

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this computer that I speak of has an on board AGP and a PCI-Express slot.

Now he says he has "on board AGP" and "a PCI slot".

"On board AGP" is not the same as an AGP "slot" on the board. The first is a video chipset mounted on the motherboard, the other is a slot for an AGP card.

If the OP has the first of these, then the situation is probably that he was mistaken if he thought it was just the video that went out; it's the whole motherboard.

bigal50 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2012, 09:16:01 PM »

OK...I stand corrected. The computer that we speak of has a motherboard with a "On board AGP connector and the motherboard also has a PCI-Express slot.......

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2012, 12:03:12 AM »

Quote from: bigal50 on April 17, 2012, 09:16:01 PM

The computer that we speak of has a motherboard with a "On board AGP connector

We still don't know what you've got. An AGP connector is.... what exactly?

Does it look like this (an AGP slot):

Or this (a VGA connnector):

We have asked a number of times for the make and model of the motherboard, is there some reason you aren't telling us this?

bigal50 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2012, 06:02:16 PM »

Easy there fishboy.....

The computer has the 15 pin blue VGA connector, also the computer belongs to my girlfriends mother and i havent had a chance to go to her house to get the model number off the motherboard. NOT to mention i have a 9 - 5 job that takes up alot of my time. Last but not least I dont appreciate your tone. I ask questions on this web-site seeking information not to be spoken too in a disrepectful manner. Sorry I am not as good as you are Mr. Know it all computer geek. Or should I say your highness.If you CANT answer the question(s) in a professional manner then maybe I dont need your help Chim Chim. There are others who can assit me without the "TUDE". Maybe u shouldnt be assisting anyone !!!

patio · « **Reply #16 on:** April 18, 2012, 06:10:36 PM »

OK...Time out here.

I know you are seeking help on your issue...
I also know ST is a knowledgeable helper as well...

If any tone or mis-understanding is happening here it will only slow down the process.

Please consider that all here are Volunteers giving up their time to assist...
And also consider the queries were valid as we aren't in front of the PC with issues....

Thanx.
patio.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2012, 06:11:42 PM »

bigal50, If that PC has a PCIe socket it likely will take a new video card using the more common variety pf PCI express.

Some vendors will allow return and exchange of video cards if they do not work in a specific machine. You need to check with them and see if you are willing to sell a new video card with exchange option.

The AGP card is rarely used anymore, but some bolder PCs hard them. The term 'on-board' in jargon often means a full video card equal t in the motherboard chip-set.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2012, 09:45:39 PM »

Quote from: bigal50 on April 18, 2012, 06:02:16 PM

There are others who can assit me without the "TUDE".

Any help you receive will be pure guesswork without the information that has been requested numerous times.

In the interest of such guesswork, I will make a few assumptions:

1. the system has no AGP connector, but uses an on-board AGP Graphics card.
2.That on-board Adapter failed
3. You have installed a PCI-E Video card into a PCI-E x16 slot.

The issue is that often when an On-board graphics adapter dies, it is more than just the graphics that are gone. Most on-board Graphics Adapter circuitry lies in chips that handle other low-level operations in the system as well, such as cache, memory controller, and so forth. Meaning that if the chip dies all those functions are gone as well.

However, even with that handful of assumptions, given the symptoms we don't know that the on-board graphics died, since the issue could truly be caused by a number of things. If we assume for the moment a case where you installed a graphics card to replace one that didn't appear to be working, you may have eliminated the graphics adapter as the culprit. However if it is an on-board adapter and that chip failed, than you won't be able to replace it with a graphics card because the other necessary functions will no longer be performed, making the motherboard useless.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #19 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:00:19 AM »

Quote from: bigal50 on April 18, 2012, 06:02:16 PM

Chim Chim

What means this?

quaxo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 19, 2012, 07:27:33 PM »

Quote from: Salmon Trout on April 19, 2012, 12:00:19 AM

What means this?

A reference to Chim-Chim, the monkey from the Speed Racer cartoon?

patio · « **Reply #21 on:** April 19, 2012, 07:34:42 PM »

Quote from: quaxo on April 19, 2012, 07:27:33 PM

A reference to Chim-Chim, the monkey from the Speed Racer cartoon?

Good catch...i knew but waited to see who would come up with the answer 1st...
What was his girlfriends name ? ?

quaxo · « **Reply #22 on:** April 19, 2012, 07:37:26 PM »

Whose girlfriend? Speed Racer's or the Monkey's?

Anyway, I believe her name was Trixie or something like that.

patio · « **Reply #23 on:** April 19, 2012, 07:39:18 PM »

Bingo ! !

That's 2 in a row...what was his Dad's name ? ?

quaxo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 19, 2012, 08:38:59 PM »

In the English dubbed version, I think he was always called Pops. I do recall that in the Japanese version, his father, brother, and (when she made her rare appearances) mother had names (not the nicknames Pops, Spritle, and Mom).

Just like Speed Racer's real name is Gō Mifune (or written correcly Mifune Gō), hence the "G" often seen on his clothing. I don't recall what the rest of their real names were though.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2012, 11:55:02 PM »

So it's not a compliment?

quaxo · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2012, 12:45:37 AM »

Quote from: Salmon Trout on April 19, 2012, 11:55:02 PM

So it's not a compliment?

If he's referring to the monkey, probably not.

Spritle and his pet chimpanzee, Chim-Chim, were basically the comic relief of the Speed Racer cartoons. Often, when trying to help solve some problem for Speed Racer, the pair would only make matters worse.

And I'll say this now, Bigal50 (not sure if that's bi-gal or big al, but I'll assume the latter), we cannot help you without knowing exactly what you have, which is why you have been repeatedly asked and Salmon Trout rightly pointed this out. It's not a 'TUDE as you are trying to point out, it is simply a fact of the situation. Also, there is no "tone", there are words on the screen. The tone is in your head, not in the text.

Quote from: bigal50 on April 14, 2012, 07:27:56 PM

Well this is what happened one of my computers has a on board AGP slot but the video went out.

You did originally say it was one of your computers, so we assumed you readily had access to it. Instead of not answering the question, you could have simply said the computer was elsewhere and you weren't able to get the model number right now. Without knowing what that motherboard or computer as a whole is capable of accepting, there isn't much any of us can tell you. There is no one right answer for any situation when it comes to fixing computers.

I would suggest starting over, list the make and model of the computer or list the make and model of all of the components inside the system (especially the motherboard and video card (if applicable)). Once you do that, it will give us a starting point to guide you through other steps and find out what's wrong.

bigal50 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 24, 2012, 06:31:20 PM »

Ok, Racer "X" lets start over. We must've got off on the wrong foot. My bad.

I now have the computer with the video issues in my possesion. It is an Compaq Presario SR2050NX. The motherbord has these series of numbers on it: RC410-M Rev 1.1 and this serial number Q1115033F69S112F. I looked it up online (or at least I think I found it online) and some websites says its an Asterrope???!!!. Dont know if mine is the Asterope(?!?) But it does say that the one has intergrated video as well being able to support a PCI-E X16 graphics card via one PCI - Express slot.

I picked up a video card which is a ATI Radeon x600 series, 128 mb. It has a number on it that reads
MIC E-G012-05-2800(B) 2005(the year??) D33A27. I put the video card in the PCI-E slot turned on the PC and still no video. (Q) If the mobo was bad would'nt I see some expanded capacitors...and shouldnt I consider that the RAM might bet he culprit. By the way the PC uses PC2-5300U-555 512MB 2 sticks each. Or how bout the CPU it Self

?!!!!!?

So many questions.....ARRRGGRGGRGR !!!

Thanks and remember "Melange Still Races"

Thanks for all the help !!!!

bigal50 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 24, 2012, 06:36:55 PM »

.......and you are right my user name looks like it reads " bi-gal 50 " I not "Bi".........Bi-polar maybe ...

bigal50 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2012, 05:33:32 PM »

Ok, Racer "X" lets start over. We must've got off on the wrong foot. My bad.

I now have the computer with the video issues in my possesion. It is an Compaq Presario SR2050NX. The motherbord has these series of numbers on it: RC410-M Rev 1.1 and this serial number Q1115033F69S112F. I looked it up on-line (or at least I think I found it on-line) and some websites says its an Asterrope???!!!. Don't know if mine is the Asterope(?!?) But it does say that the one has intergrated video as well being able to support a PCI-E X16 graphics card via one PCI - Express slot.

I picked up a video card which is a ATI Radeon x600 series, 128 mb. It has a number on it that reads
MIC E-G012-05-2800(B) 2005(the year??) D33A27. I put the video card in the PCI-E slot turned on the PC and still no video. (Q) If the mobo was bad wouldn't I see some expanded capacitors...and shouldn't I consider that the RAM might bet he culprit. By the way the PC uses PC2-5300U-555 512MB 2 sticks each. Or how bout the CPU it Self ?!!!!!? So many questions.....ARRRGGRGGRGR !!!

Thanks and remember "Melange Still Races"

Thanks for all the help !!!!

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