Author Topic: Windws 7 preexcisting OS reinstalling. (Read 12640 times)

jasperav · « **on:** July 20, 2012, 09:23:49 AM »

So a long time ago, i had Windows XP and i wanted Windows 7 and i bought an Windows 7 Preexcisting OS CD.

But my computer is very slow now, and i lost my windows XP key but i still have the windows 7 key...

MY problem is that i want to reinstall windows 7 with my windows 7 preexcisting OS CD but do i need to re-enter my product key for windows XP?

Allan · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:25:21 AM »

What is a Windows 7 Preexcisting OS CD?

patio · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:34:25 AM »

There is no upgrade path from XP to Win7 so something is fishy here...

jasperav · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:02:35 AM »

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrade+windows+xp+to+windows+7

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hartbeatmr · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2012, 03:08:01 PM »

Hi Jasperav

Ok considering my self and other people here would need some more info on your system. But if you need to get ur SN / windows key there are many programs out there that will read your product key numbers (magicjellybean, ABR etc) just get your keys write them down and then do what you need to.

#1. You can upgrade from XP to windows 7 but you really cant upgrade xp to W7. Please let me explain during the the installation of windows 7 you would choose a "custom install" (but remember to do all your back up's before you continue). Installing W7 this way WILL not transfer setting, documents, pic's etc. It is really considered a fresh install so that is why you need to do a full back up before you continue.

#2. depending on what type of W7 disk you have will depend on how you can install W7. Some of the different types of disk's are OEM (all versions but Enterprise) Retail full editions (all editions) DSP = Direct service pack and also are considered now days as manufacture OEM disks, there is Retail Upgrade disks (again all versions but enterprise) then what used to be called OV or open volume.

So it is really hard to help you with out some questions on hardware, software etc you are trying to re-install W7 on.

I know this may or may not help you, if you need further assistance please let me know.
Mike

patio · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2012, 04:31:33 PM »

Quote from: jasperav on July 20, 2012, 10:02:35 AM

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrade+windows+xp+to+windows+7

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Your link is insignificant...i didn't say it can't be done...i stated there is no upgrade path which basically means an XP Key means nothing to Win7

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:09:03 PM »

A Google search shows this for the upgrade from windows XP

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Windows 7 Home Premium
From: $119.99

But the same package also is sold for about $120. Without reference to XP.
It is an Upgrade, because Windows 7 if better that XP.

Now... what was the OPs question?

soybean · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:57:44 AM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on July 20, 2012, 09:09:03 PM

A Google search shows this for the upgrade from windows XP
But the same package also is sold for about $120. Without reference to XP.
It is an Upgrade, because Windows 7 if better that XP.

Now... what was the OPs question?

Exactly what do you mean by "upgrade"? I think you're causing some confusion here unless you clarify. As patio said:

Quote from: patio on July 20, 2012, 09:34:25 AM

There is no upgrade path from XP to Win7 so something is fishy here...

So, I think "upgrade" needs to be clearly defined here if you're saying there is an upgrade path.

Allan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:07:59 AM »

Quote from: soybean on July 21, 2012, 08:57:44 AM

Exactly what do you mean by "upgrade"? I think you're causing some confusion here unless you clarify. As patio said:So, I think "upgrade" needs to be clearly defined here if you're saying there is an upgrade path.

I believe what patio meant to say is there is no DIRECT upgrade path from XP to W7

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:45:51 AM »

Quote from: Allan on July 21, 2012, 11:07:59 AM

I believe what patio meant to say is there is no DIRECT upgrade path from XP to W7

I think people may be getting caught between two slightly different meanings of the word 'upgrade'. In ordinary English, to upgrade means to choose to improve something or bring it up to date. You might upgrade a cable TV package to a level with more channels, or an airline ticket from tourist to business, or upgrade the comfort level of a hotel room you have booked, or you might decide to upgrade from a 14 inch CRT to a 42 inch plasma TV. Or indeed to replace an old version of software with a newer one, or go from a free version to a premium one. Very often the software supplier will make a new version cheaper or free for owners of previous versions. With operating systems this may involve nuking the earlier version and completely replacing it with the new one, or sometimes (and here comes the other meaning of the word) with some Microsoft Windows versions, it is possible to transform an installation of an earlier or lower level version to a later or higher level one, leaving some or all installed programs, user files (documents, pictures, music, whatever) and some settings and stuff (e.g. bookmarks) intact. If you pay the lower price for an upgrade license the installer wants to see proof that you own the 'qualifying product'. Either it is there on the hard drive or it will ask to see the original OS CD or DVD. Microsoft does not make this type of 'upgrade' available to users of every version. There is a list of supported (and unsupported) upgrades with Windows 7 as the target here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/library/dd772579.aspx

If an upgrade of this type is supported, there is said to be an 'upgrade path' in existence. For example there are paths from Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate, and from Vista Enterprise to Windows 7 Enterprise (only). There is no 'upgrade path' - using the Microsoft meaning - to any version of Windows 7 from any version of Windows XP. Of course that does not mean you can't put Windows 7 on a PC that is already running Windows XP. It just means that you can't buy a cheaper W7 license and keep all your installed apps in place. Hence people's curiosity about the "preexcisting OS disk". (I wonder if it was titled thus?) There is an Easy Transfer Wizard on the Windows 7 DVD that can look for non-program data in your old XP installation and shove the stuff you choose to keep into a .MIG file on an external hard drive so you can get at it after the Windows 7 installation is complete. Or you can do it manually first.

I do feel that using LMGTFY links should be done very sparingly; it can so easily seem like annoying sarcasm and a put-down, and is hardly likely to encourage a flood of help.

jasperav · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:36:59 PM »

Wooow some people got way to offtopic!! there is no upgrade from xp to windows 7? i had windows XP professional and now windows 7 professional USING the preexcisting OS CD.

Here, i made a picture of this disc.
http://tinypic.com/r/2435chd/6
Now what i am asking for:
When i first installed windows XP, i entered a valig key. After that, i inserted the windows 7 cd so I installed windows 7.
I still have the key for windows 7, but not anymore for windows xp.

i DONT have a full windows 7 installation disc, but just a windows 7 preexcisting os cd what means you should have a valid windows xp or vista to upgrade to windows 7.
So when i am reinstallig windows 7 USING the preexcisting OS cd do i need to enter again my windows XP key?

Thank you for your time.

hartbeatmr · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:56:34 PM »

Good evening jasperav

Welcome back and thank you for the picture that helps a bunch.

Now I do have a question for you did you / or can you use anything like magicjellybean etc to retrieve your XP key code. Or is there a MS sticker on the PC if so the MS key code (25 digit) is there also.

Hope this helps, Mike

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:16:50 PM »

Quote from: jasperav on July 21, 2012, 04:36:59 PM

Wooow some people got way to offtopic!! there is no upgrade from xp to windows 7? i had windows XP professional and now windows 7 professional USING the preexcisting OS CD.

Nobody went offtopic. You just didn't tell us you had an area-restricted student upgrade.

jasperav · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:57:01 PM »

Quote from: hartbeatmr on July 21, 2012, 04:56:34 PM

Good evening jasperav

Welcome back and thank you for the picture that helps a bunch.

Now I do have a question for you did you / or can you use anything like magicjellybean etc to retrieve your XP key code. Or is there a MS sticker on the PC if so the MS key code (25 digit) is there also.

Hope this helps, Mike

Glad i helped. Nope, magic jelly bean just gives me the key for windows 7, and i only had a windows xp disc with the code on it, but im 100% sure that disc is gone!

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2012, 06:08:11 PM »

Quote from: jasperav on July 20, 2012, 09:23:49 AM

MY problem is that i want to reinstall windows 7 with my windows 7 preexcisting OS CD but do i need to re-enter my product key for windows XP?

Yes. The Windows 7 Upgrade disc prompts for a valid XP or Vista key if there is no existing Windows Installation on the computer.

EDIT: You can get the Product Key for an existing OS installation using tools like described. However I do not believe there is a way to get the XP key you used for the upgrade when running Windows 7.

jasperav · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:03:14 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on July 21, 2012, 06:08:11 PM

Yes. The Windows 7 Upgrade disc prompts for a valid XP or Vista key if there is no existing Windows Installation on the computer.

EDIT: You can get the Product Key for an existing OS installation using tools like described. However I do not believe there is a way to get the XP key you used for the upgrade when running Windows 7.

Aaah thats to bad! so i think i need to buy a whole new windows 7 disc.. to bad

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:15:42 PM »

Why not borrow a Visa or XP disc and do a install, then install Windows 7 on top of it.
Later return the CD to its owner. After Windows 7 is installed the XP CD is no longer needed.
BTW: In which region are you? In the far east?

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:53:47 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on July 21, 2012, 09:15:42 PM

Why not borrow a Visa or XP disc and do a install, then install Windows 7 on top of it.
Later return the CD to its owner. After Windows 7 is installed the XP CD is no longer needed.
BTW: In which region are you? In the far east?

The Disc is not what is needed, it is the key. As per the EULA, I don't believe you can use a XP or Vista disk for an upgrade installation and then use that Product key for a installation of the original OS elsewhere.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2012, 10:34:46 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on July 21, 2012, 09:53:47 PM

The Disc is not what is needed, it is the key. As per the EULA, I don't believe you can use a XP or Vista disk for an upgrade installation and then use that Product key for a installation of the original OS elsewhere.

I understand your point. In all installs I have done, I was never asked for the key for the older product.

This machine has Windows 7 as an update to Vista, but I did not have to install Vista! Not sure how that happened.

But world-Wide MS has a number of different policies that differ from North America and Western Europe.

IMHO This whole product-key thing is a big annoyance. One would think that MS would just burn the key into the original CD or DVD so that each one is unique.

Also, it would help if we could kn ow what are the policies of MS in different regions. Users all over the globe come here for help. And we don't understand and the problem.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #19 on:** July 24, 2012, 12:14:36 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on July 21, 2012, 10:34:46 PM

One would think that MS would just burn the key into the original CD or DVD so that each one is unique.

Have you thought what would do to the cost of producing the disks?

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #20 on:** July 24, 2012, 12:25:56 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on July 21, 2012, 10:34:46 PM

IMHO This whole product-key thing is a big annoyance. One would think that MS would just burn the key into the original CD or DVD so that each one is unique.

Aside from cost... the CD/DVDs are not "burned". In fact it is part of the fact that they are stamped that it would be so expensive
The logistical implications would be excessive. Currently, the keys are generated using some undocumented (for good reason) algorithm, probably involving encryption and base64 or base-32 or something to that accord. Entering a key it merely ensures it is valid by "reversing" it in a sense.

Actually, one could use the same logic for phones. "Phone numbers are just a big annoyance. You would think phone companies would just burn the phone number into the bottom of the phone".

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #21 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:02:47 PM »

Quote from: Salmon Trout on July 24, 2012, 12:14:36 PM

Have you thought what would do to the cost of producing the disks?

Yes, less than the hologram they print on it.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #22 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:11:04 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm

Yes, less than the hologram they print on it.

No. It would probably double or even triple the costs involved. Each disc is not "burned". They are duplicated via disc stamping. having different information on each disc would require the creation of a new stamp master for each disc. Either that, or they would have to manually burn every single copy using a DVD-writer, which would be both silly and uneconomical.

The holograms are all the same on every single disc. The cost per unit price decreases as more duplicates are made, because you only make the original once, and the only additional cost is for materials, which are cheap, particularly when purchased in bulk. Your suggestion would mean the elimination of this built in reduction of per-unit cost of production.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #23 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:24:13 PM »

Quote from: BC_Programmer on July 24, 2012, 06:11:04 PM

...No. It would probably double or even triple the costs involved. Each disc is not "burned". They are duplicated via disc stamping. having different information on each disc would Your suggestion would mean the elimination of this built in reduction of per-unit cost of production.

The technology is already available. The cost is comparable, but requiems an additional process.It takes a laser less that 20 seconds to burn a product key in a very small area of the DVD. Very very small era.
Besides, the DVDs they make are not all the same anyway. They have many different plates for what would seem to be the same version of Windows. The cost is not a big deal.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #24 on:** July 24, 2012, 07:00:00 PM »

Quote from: Geek-9pm on July 24, 2012, 06:24:13 PM

It takes a laser less that 20 seconds to burn a product key in a very small area of the DVD. Very very small era.

Are you talking about as part of the top label, or as data on the disc?If the latter, well... they don't use lasers in the current process. I don't think they involve lasers for the top label.

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Besides, the DVDs they make are not all the same anyway. They have many different plates for what would seem to be the same version of Windows. The cost is not a big deal.

Even if we assume that Basic, Home Premium, Pro, etc had different data- which they actually do not- that is still only 6 different masters.

As compared to several tens of millions masters as would be required to put the product key as data on the disc itself.

patio · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2012, 07:57:05 PM »

Sometimes Geek just doesn't get it...

Yet he can find an Article that is designed to refute Logic...

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #26 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:57:02 PM »

Quote from: patio on July 24, 2012, 07:57:05 PM

Sometimes Geek just doesn't get it...

Yet he can find an Article that is designed to refute Logic...

Sometimes Patio does not get it. Microsoft will do it soon.

Salmon Trout · « **Reply #27 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:57:00 AM »

Windows 7 only has one kind of install disk for 32 bit and one for 64 bit - whether you get Upgrade, OEM or Full Retail, Home Basic/Premium, Professional, Business or Ultimate depends on the licence key you use. So any idea of associating one key (only) with one disk would be impractical.

Geek-9pm · « **Reply #28 on:** July 25, 2012, 06:08:34 PM »

Quote from: Salmon Trout on July 25, 2012, 10:57:00 AM

Windows 7 only has one kind of install disk for 32 bit and one for 64 bit - whether you get Upgrade, OEM or Full Retail, Home Basic/Premium, Professional, Business or Ultimate depends on the licence key you use. So any idea of associating one key (only) with one disk would be impractical.

I will stop here, because the thing is precocious at this time.
In the future the serial burn after press technology will be used for security, convince, and multiple versions. Yes, it does multiple versions. Only a very, very small area has to be over written. Expect it to be in use in 2014, if the industry wants it.

patio · « **Reply #29 on:** July 25, 2012, 06:56:46 PM »

Call me in 2014...

gjmay12 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 26, 2012, 07:14:21 PM »

going to win 7 from xp must be a clean install no such thing as an upgrade from xp to 7 so therefore I don't believe your xp key will do you anygood....................gjmay

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