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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2013, 01:12:25 AM »
Interesting; Actually, this is interesting timing because one of my E-mail newsletters actually links to a refutation to this particular note from a month or so ago.
As usual, Slashdot being Slashdot.


The linked article starts off pretty badly:
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The ailing personal computer market is getting weaker
Where does it get this information? By what definition are they using the term "weaker"? Windows 8 sold more copies in it's first month than Windows 7 did in it's first three. I find it difficult to blame any PC market "ailing" on Either.

Trying to SELL a PC is probably getting harder. More and more people are realizing that they can build PCs, and more and more people are finding that they don't need a new PC to begin with. PCs haven't advanced as quickly in the last few years. Anecdotally, my Q8200 based machine I built in 2008-2009 can still play most of the latest games quite well.

For the longest time, people were under the false assumption that computers simply "slowed down" over time. This is partly because reinstalling Windows and your applications is simply not something people could do easily; for most people, the computer was a magic box, and once it slowed down, they had to buy a new one. However, more recent Operating Systems have much friendlier and easier to use Setup Procedures, and Manufacturer Policies such as Recovery Partitions and Discs have helped as well, since they allow anybody to revert their machine to "new" state. This has started to dispel the PC Sales associate dreamworld where people thought that their right-click menu taking a long time meant they needed a new PC, turning a large portion of the PC userbase into a virtual smorgasbord of commissions.

The prevalence of PCs has caused something interesting- people have learned about them. Just as the Printing Press and the eventual availability of affordable books caused an increase in literacy, so too has the prevalence- and commodity- of PCs caused people to become far more literate in the past. People are far more versed in how to perform standard maintenance on their machines, and the end result is that they suit their purposes just fine.

Moving back to the article:

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The latest evidence of the PC's infirmity emerged Wednesday with the release of two somber reports showing unprecedented declines in sales of desktop and laptop machines during the first three months of the year.
It then mentions how it seems that the latest release of Windows has done more harm than good since it was released last October, while ignoring the tenet that correlation is not causation. The fact of the matter is that There are many reasons fewer people bought PCs. Foremost among them are my aforementioned reasons regarding people becoming more computer literate and capable of maintaining their software environments, enough that they can do a cleanup, or a malware scan, or any number of other things to resolve issues they are having, rather than attribute the problem to the invisible ghost of "PC aging" that has for so long brought wealth to PC sales associates everywhere.

If a person is already happy with their current system, they aren't going to buy a new one. Windows 8 being pre-installed is likely not as much of an issue to the sales as people seem to infer, since Windows 8 Sales are actually quite healthy- and people are installing it onto PCs they already have, because, unlike many of the Operating System's previous incarnations, it doesn't actually require any additional horsepower.
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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2013, 04:41:55 AM »

Well said, BC.
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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 07:25:30 PM »
I too took it as ... ok where is the data to point fingers .. it is truely lacking the proof to put the blame on Win 8.  Figured I would post that here when I came across this last night. I knew that someone would chime in on foul for pointing the finger at 8 when there are so many variables that affect the market. During this decline for example has Apple also seen the same decline with their personal computers. Also is this decline because so many people are opting to buy a portable computing devices aside from Laptops and Netbooks, which have been booming in sales!

I also agree with everything BC stated in regards to the fact that people are getting more "mileage" out of their computers these days. I use to see systems decommissioned that were only 2 to 4 years old especially in the 10 year period from 1995 to around 2005 when the price for the PC dropped below the $1000 range for an entry level brand new home computer, the internet exploded in popularity, and video games evolved in graphical complexity needing more and more resources to play well. Then around the 2005 period on there seemed to be a continual slow down of systems being replaced. I use to get all sorts of free and inexpensive computers frequently as people were moving on to the next best thing and getting rid of their Celeron 900Mhz computers running Windows 98 and Me, for Pentium 4's with XP. That has dramatically slowed over the past 8 years to date. Pretty much the only freebee's I get these days have 'real' problems ( cracked laptop display, tower that was struck by lightning, and coffee dumped into laptop keyboard.) Also I know many people who are running on systems with hardware that is from 2004 on, that is still running healthy. Most of them running Windows XP happily, and it does everything they need it to do on a daily basis without troubles. Also as mentioned they are able to quickly set their computers back to factory and perform the 120+ microsoft updates for XP and they are back in business as long as they haven't lost their recovery set. And if they have, they are more likely to pay the $40 for a new set than buy a new computer.

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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 04:05:01 PM »
I also agree with everything BC stated in regards to the fact that people are getting more "mileage" out of their computers these days. I use to see systems decommissioned that were only 2 to 4 years old especially in the 10 year period from 1995 to around 2005 when the price for the PC dropped below the $1000 range for an entry level brand new home computer, the internet exploded in popularity, and video games evolved in graphical complexity needing more and more resources to play well. Then around the 2005 period on there seemed to be a continual slow down of systems being replaced. I use to get all sorts of free and inexpensive computers frequently as people were moving on to the next best thing and getting rid of their Celeron 900Mhz computers running Windows 98 and Me, for Pentium 4's with XP. That has dramatically slowed over the past 8 years to date. Pretty much the only freebee's I get these days have 'real' problems ( cracked laptop display, tower that was struck by lightning, and coffee dumped into laptop keyboard.) Also I know many people who are running on systems with hardware that is from 2004 on, that is still running healthy. Most of them running Windows XP happily, and it does everything they need it to do on a daily basis without troubles. Also as mentioned they are able to quickly set their computers back to factory and perform the 120+ microsoft updates for XP and they are back in business as long as they haven't lost their recovery set. And if they have, they are more likely to pay the $40 for a new set than buy a new computer.
In support of your comments, I'm running Windows 7 on an HP Compaq d530CMT.   It has a Pentium 4, 2.67GHz processor.  I did not buy it new so I'm not sure how old it is but, as nearly as I can determine, it may have been introduced to the market in early 2004, perhaps even late 2003.  I have the maximum amount of RAM in it, which is 4GB. 

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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2013, 04:00:31 PM »
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I'm running Windows 7 on an HP Compaq d530CMT

Hoping yours doesnt have the same issue that all the d530's we had, had, which was bloated and leaky capacitors. We had 8 of those that we used for running Server 2003 and 7 of the 8 systems had leaky caps around the CPU, but only 1 of the 7 was acting up. The others were behaving even though failure was in their near future. When i found the one server with leaking caps, I looked at the others for fear that the systems may have been hit with the bad caps that hit HP, Compaq, Dell and a few other manufacturers of the period and was not impressed by the failure of 7 of 8 boards with this disease. I ended up buying new capacitors through mouser and soldering in new capacitors to replace all the swolen topped or leaking caps, and then they continued to run after that for a good 4 years without problems. The system that was locking up etc was fixed by the new caps installed.

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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 07:46:50 PM »
Hoping yours doesnt have the same issue that all the d530's we had, had, which was bloated and leaky capacitors...
After reading your post, I decided I should inspect the motherboard and I discovered it has some swollen and leaky capacitors right where you described.  The computer has not misbehaved, so I'm pondering whether to delve into this or just wait and see whether signs of electrical issues arise.  Replacing capacitors is something I've never done and the thought of attempting it is a bit scary.  I found a detailed description of how to do it @ http://capacitorlab.com/replacing-motherboard-capacitors-howto/ and, of course, I can find numerous other references.  I might also mention this to some folks who are members of a computer users' group to which I belong to find out if any of them have done this.

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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 09:16:12 PM »
Hard to understand this rant. Here is notable quote:

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The personal computer is in crisis, and getting little help from Microsoft Corp.'s MSFT -0.75% Windows 8 software once seen as a possible savior.
The source is the Wall Street Journal posted April 21.
Quarterly Shipments Drop 14% as Windows 8 Fails to Stem Advance of iPads

Does this mean the WSJ does not think Apple products are part of PC sales?  Apparently not. They would just ignore the story below:
iPhone and iPad sales rise despite Apple profit fall

IMHO, people just like the Apple products better.

On way to resolve this economic weakness of a segment is to just admit that anything made by Apple is a Personal Computer item in some way. The the statics will improve and we can identify who are the losers if a broad industry.

The Apple ][ was the really first Personal Computer for the masses. Why does everyone want to give IBM the credit?

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Re: Windows 8 Killing PC Sales
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2013, 11:44:38 PM »
IMHO, people just like the Apple products better.

I went from Windows XP to OSX..... then OSX to Windows 7. My MacBook got outdated fast, and I couldn't afford a new one.
It was either a $1000 MacBook, or a $400 high-performance PC.

In regards to that article, I haven't bought a new Windows computer in over six years. (I bought the parts for my desktop off my friend)

Personal computers have been out a while... At some point, the market is going to be too saturated. Nobody wants a new computer if their current one works fine.