Stuck between 2 computers...

[Bonjoeey]

Hey, so I've been stuck between choosing 2 computers which i think would be good enough for gaming, my main intention is to play Battlefield and Skyrim etc... I will post the specs here below, but the really main question is the graphic card im in doubt about

HP 500-045EO

Processor:Intel Core i7-3770 (3,4 GHz)
RAM: 8 GB DDR3 (1 x 8 GB)
Harddisk Drive:1 TB 7200 o/min. SATA,
Grafic:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 645
Vram: (2 GB GDDR5)
Operativsystem:Windows 8 6


HP Envy 700-021EO

Processor: Intel Core i7 (4. Gen) 4770 / 3.4 GHz
Max Turbo Speed:   3.9 GHz
RAM: 8 GB / 32 GB (maks.) DDR3 SDRAM (1x 8 GB)
Harddisk Drive: HDD 1 x 1 TB SATA 3Gb/s (7200 rpm)
Graphic: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660
Vram: 1.5 GB GDDR5 SDRAM
Operativsystem: Windows 8 64-bit Edition

So which of these computers are best for gaming - and are any of them capible of running Battlefield and Skyrim?

[camerongray]

The bottom one is certainly the best but for gaming I would stay away from premade PCs and either build your own or order it custom made from a specialised manufacturer.

Both of those have i7s which are way more than you need for gaming, something like an i5 4670k would be perfectly sufficient.  You could then spend the money you save on a better graphics card which would give a much bigger benefit for gaming.

The other issue with premade PCs is they are often limited in their upgrade potential and tend to use low end motherboards and power supplies, something that you can avoid by building your own/getting one custom made.

Another thing that neither of those PCs have but you may want to consider is a solid state drive (SSD) as this will make the machine boot up and load stuff a lot faster and makes the whole PC feel a lot "snappier".

[Calum]

I'll add to the above advice, which is right on track, that I wouldn't consider either of those cards to be ideal for high end gaming, as said above if you dropped the CPU to an i5 you could get something like a GTX 760, GTX 770, or AMD 7870 or R9 280, which would be much better for gaming.

[Geek-9pm]

I'll add to the above advice, which is right on track, that I wouldn't consider either of those cards to be ideal for high end gaming, as said above if you dropped the CPU to an i5 you could get something like a GTX 760, GTX 770, or AMD 7870 or R9 280, which would be much better for gaming.

Calum, I respectfully disagree. IMHO the OP should  to stock with the i7 And he can contact the manufacturer directly and ask for custom components and save some money. And the warranty is for the whole package.
Just saying.

[Calum]

An i7 has no benefit for almost all games over an equivalent i5.  If you can find something to support your point of view, please, post it.  A 5 second Google produces one of many tests on i5 vs i7 - here.  You can see the difference is very small, except in CPU intensive games like BF3 which do not represent a majority of games.  Spending the £80 or so difference on a better GPU would yield more of a difference even in CPU intensive games, the i7 just isn't as good value as the i5 unless you're doing mainly CPU bound tasks where the i7's hyperthreading makes a difference.

Edit: in fact, see here for a test with many more games than TPU's quick test, with different cards involved, showing minimal differences - most within the margin of error.

[Geek-9pm]

Calum, the link you gave makes the point. Thanks for the link.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_and_i7_4770K_Comparison/8.html
The OP said Battlefield

For Battle filed 3
The i7 does more FPS than i5  on that particular game.
About  34 FPS for i5 and 42 FPS for i7.

And yes, for some other games it does not matter. So for almost any game, the i5 is great. But for Battlefield 3 you might want the i7. If the FPS is important to. you.
(Really, many people can not see the difference anyway.)

[camerongray]

Calum, the link you gave makes the point. Thanks for the link.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_and_i7_4770K_Comparison/8.html
The OP said Battlefield

For Battle filed 3
The i7 does more FPS than i5  on that particular game.
About  34 FPS for i5 and 42 FPS for i7.

And yes, for some other games it does not matter. So for almost any game, the i5 is great. But for Battlefield 3 you might want the i7. If the FPS is important to. you.
(Really, many people can not see the difference anyway.)

While the i7 will give a higher framerate in BF3 when the rest of the system is the same the framerate improvement with a better GPU would be much greater.  This is why Calum and I would suggest moving to an i5 as the money saved will allow for a better GPU to be purchased which will improve performance in ALL games, not just the couple that can benefit from the i7.

[Geek-9pm]

camerongray, OK. I see y0ur point. 

[Calum]

Geek, as Cameron says you're right that an i7 will perform better than an i5 in Battlefield, but the difference in cost is better spent on upgrading the graphics card as that will help performance more than the difference between the i5 and i7 with the same card, and it'll also help in the 90% of other games which don't benefit from the i7.