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jedtimmer

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FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
« on: July 15, 2006, 12:00:34 AM »
Greetings.

First time here. Love this place already. However, looks like some stuff a bit outdated and behind
(realize it's rough to handle that many updates).   Anyway, it's possibly the reason couldn't find my
answer via 'search'. So need to try here. 'Scuse. So here goes...


15-Jul-06 / to: computerhope.com forums (Hardware)

Topic:  Can't complete FDISK on new Maxtor 40 GB
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Friend brought old comp (5 yrs?) to me w/crashed Win98 HD,
some time back. Wants put new 40 GB Maxtor and Win XP OS.
CDROM Drive dead. Got good copy (finally) of WinME boot disk
w/ FDISK on it from the 'Radified' site.

Had 2 old flaky clone comps to play with to partition/format:

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Maxtor 3.5 Series; Mfgd. 31 Jan., 2006; Diamond Max Plus8;
ATA/133 HDD 40GB. Jumpered to "Master".
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Removed old HD / installed Maxtor. Booted via ME diskette.
Done this before several times in past years and never any
problem via this route.

All went fine til the step where I had to choose something
like "create *ONE* large FAT 32 primary drive".

As needed to also create Extended partition, said "No" -
following the 'Radified' advice & instructions all the way.

FDISK started to go to next step & then the screen blacked.

Waited 5 min. No change. Tried abort. No luck. Ctrl+Alt+Del
- not working. Pressed Reset button to re-boot. Boot never
got past:

      "Verifying DMI Pool Data ................... "

Perhaps I should have waited longer but a totally black screen
for 5 minutes means to me that something's wrong somewhere.

Back to square 1. Tried 2nd old comp and went thru same routine.
On way, stopped at BIOS to check. Showed the Maxtor right there
w/some 39,875 MB (roughly) space.

Since it was recognized in the BIOS, I presume HD is OK? I'm
wondering though if the reason it was recognized was maybe
because FDISK initially (via 1st try w/ comp #1) did put enough
on it to make it detectable by the BIOS? True or False?
 
(suspected that 1st old comp had possible motherboard or BIOS
problem which caused the crash to 'black screen'?). Can't
believe brand new HD is bad.

Same story, though. Stopped at "Verifying DMI Pool Data ....".
I'd outwaited the black screen one hour this time. No change.

Doesn't seem logical that both comps I used hav same problem.
I'm stumped.

In the event the HD requires a 'special ap' or a 'low-level'
format to clear it first, could you please provide some
reliable links to same? Always hoping Instructions included.


Don't have much else around to narrow things down with and not
really keen on opening up my current working XP comp. Bit risky.
It's old, groaning and could be on last legs (like us!). Don't
want to speed its demise by groping around in there right now -
lest I must - just to partition/format the new HD. Murphy's Law.
So thought best check with the Experts to see what else I could
try first.

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If anyone out there can help, please don't ask "why didn't
you use XP for this?". There are many good, valid reasons why
I didn't - otherwise, I would have - and it would take to long
to explain. Already gone thru the whole gauntlet at another
forum.

What's done is done. Need to get on with it. Not an expert or
power user and both of us retired, nearing 70 and extremely
short on funds. Costly solutions won't help right now - but
anything taken into consideration. Just looking for some
good old honest advice.

That's the whole sad story.

Any (constructive) comments/suggestions ?

jed...








pcdoc4christ

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Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2006, 03:11:01 AM »
Jed:

Make sure you answer yes when FDISK asks if you want to enable large disk support.

Also, it might simply be that the FDISK utility on the Windows Me boot disk is bad.  Try downloading a new boot disk from here:

http://bootdisk.com/

Doc

GX1_Man

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Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 07:39:28 AM »
And run the free diagnostics from the hard drive maker's site. Make sure all drives are jumpered correctly. If necessary, we can go through the CMOS settings, or reset them, but lets make sure the drives are usable and everything is set up correctly.

It may be helpful to post the computer or motherboard make/model as well as the other components.

Regardless of your particular reasons, XP is not a solution to many problems. I won't harp on you for that.  ;)
« Last Edit: July 15, 2006, 07:40:11 AM by GX1_Man »

jedtimmer

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Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 02:30:27 AM »
27 July, 2006, Monday (I think...)

To: computerhope.com, 17 July, 2006.

Thank you both - pcdoc & GX1. Points well taken.

Am familiar w/ bootdisk.com. Also, never got in far enough in FDISK, really.

Re yr advice, pcdoc and GX1, appreciate but all is moot now.  Became impatient.
Did the whole shebang on my own comp, against my better judgment. Sure enough,
got into even deeper trouble.  Perhaps missed something and there's a simple solution.

Am in a bit of a panic right now. 2 days & nights practically non-stop on this.
No sleep. 3 computers involved.

Allow me to re-cap p/o the story. It needs to be detailed if it is to be solved.

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Gave up on FDISK. Installed new Maxtor as Slave to my WD Master HD on my
own comp. Used the more "modern", "'simpler'" XP function via 'My Computer', 'Manage', et. al. Oh boy. All went well. Made 3 calculated partitions and installed XP Pro (SP2) on the active one. In the end, was forced to assign drive letters J, K, L. (Drives E, F, G, BTW, are removables in a pack that came w/ this comp - which is not mine).

(In retrospect, maybe should have done the whole thing from the Win XP Pro SP2 CD - but never having done an XP install, was unaware of the "new"
integral features).


Rebooted. Something wrong. Seems I came into a new DeskTop (nearly bare)
and booted from Slave! it seems like. Settings changed - not at all as promised - and this had in no way been done as a 're-install' over my own XP Pro!

Quick-checked my C: & D: drives on Master, to make sure hadn't accidentally
re-formatted them too. All OK there and can move around and work.


Removed CD and already-processed Maxtor for install for use in friends old comp. Rebooted my own box. No go! Got up to:

      "Press TAB for POST. Press DEL to enter BIOS"

That's it. Couldn't even get into BIOS! Keyboard no response. Try new one. No
go. Utter PANIC! I knew it. That's why I didn't want to do it in my comp in first
place. Blood pressure up to 170/110.

Two days later, still, neither my HD nor the Maxtor, in essence, recognized by
either the 2 old or my own comp. In desperation, pulled the BIOS batteries on
all comps and waited 5 minutes to make sure any latent charges on CMOS leaked off.

Some breakthrus. At least some of the comps showed one or both HD's as there, during boot, and/or in the BIOS. Recollections fuzzy. No sleep. Long
story. Got some results on my own comp w/ either one or the other HD in
there, but still no proper access. Went in via DOS. OK. Could access my own
disk at least, as I recollect.

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Finally, back to square 1. put XP CD and both HD's back into my comp and
booted. The Master (my Western Digital) jumpered as originally, for "CS"; the Maxwell, as "Slave".

Relatively good news. Windows came up - but on the Slave again. (Now that I
think of it, will try re-jumper to 'Master' from 'CS'. Didn't work before on the other comps, but might, here and now. Don't know yet).


This kind of thing may never have happened if the Wizard Help and the CD
Help file were adequate. But issues are cloudy. Some of the help is even more
succinct, cryptic, confusing and lacking than during the original DOS fiasco
days.

Wish they would have let Paterson run the show. It's all just to messy and
complex now. Practically need a degree in Nuclear Physics anymore to run XP. What of all the other average users whose comprehension is even less than
mine (if that's possible)?

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Anyhow, most of panic over - but not all. I still can't get back to original. I
want my comp back and running on my own HD - not working with only
*BOTH* HD's in there! Dang! And then there'll still be the problem of getting
the Maxwell to work in at least one of the 2 old comps, as was the original
intent.

Don't think it's a BIOS issue. Both comps worked reasonably OK before w/ an
old Win98 HD (now defunct) in them - which OS they ran originally. XP is
supposed to be OK for replacing Win98. The comps are clones but not over 5
years old. Both have 128 MB RAM - adequate for the job.

The BIOS in the Tower job is a healthy, well endowed Award chip (mfd in or
after 2000). It's chock-a-block full of menus and modern options. I just don't see the problem.

Wonder if it's anything to do with the drive letter assignments. What's really
irritating is that (1) I never asked Windows XP to usurp or replace my own
installation on my own HD. No such thing! and (2) the fact that it appears
to boot from the Slave drive now. (I'll have to check that "CS" bit yet).

Well, I've already bent your ear well over limit. Time to stop. Just wanted
to make sure all the details there for your kind review. Sure hope you can
give me some advice on how to get out of this mess.

Thank you in advance,

Jed...

 :-?

GX1_Man

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Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2006, 04:06:15 AM »
This is really getting overly complex. Let's pick one machine and fix it first. You choose and list the specifications of it, what hard drive is in it and how you want it to end up.

panboy



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    Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2006, 04:33:06 AM »
    When you install XP , it Rewrites The Boot Sector of the HDD and points the Boot Path at XP instead of the OLD OS, but it also usually add the Old OS to the Boot.ini and Names it "Old Windows OS on C:" and sets a 30 Second timer for you to choose OS on Boot.

    Did that Not happen?

    I agree with GX1_Man , Pick One PC and Get it Working, Then move on to the Next, now that you have the Disk formated , it should be easy  to just start From Scratch
    Wields The Mighty Hammer of Computer Justice

    pcdoc4christ

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    Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2006, 07:05:50 AM »
    Quote
    This is really getting overly complex. Let's pick one machine and fix it first. You choose and list the specifications of it, what hard drive is in it and how you want it to end up.

    I agree.  When troubleshooting, if a fix does not work, one should undo the changes made before trying a different fix.  That way, one does not get into a bigger fix that might never be fixed!

     8-)


    jedtimmer

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    Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
    « Reply #7 on: July 18, 2006, 12:29:50 AM »
    18-Jul-06 / To: Computerhope

    Roger that. Thanx again - GX1, pcdoc, panboy. Guess I've confused the issue.

    OK. Re my comp (#1) only. Good progress.  This morn able to boot to my own HD.  Tried all kinds BIOS & HD jumper settings. All now back to almost original. Beats me.

    > When you install XP , ...  
    > Did that Not happen?

    Appreciate info.  Yes, that did happen - but not before. Before kept getting error messages about "Windows can't boot from this HD because of hardware configuration problems..." - at BOTH choices. Always something preventing me from accessing ANYTHING AT ALL or booting to my own HD.

    As I said, it was only by the Grace of God that I finally was able to get past the "Press TAB for POST. ..." .  Had I not pulled the CMOS battery, I'd still be at that screen. Can't be normal.

    There are 2 boot menu choices; both identical (XP...) - as both HD's have same OS.  After all the mucking about this morn, the 2nd choice FINALLY opened XP on my original Master HD - which is the only one in there now. Previously I had to have both the CD and the Slave in there to get any action.

    BTW, if Win XP is as smart as advertized, then it should know enough NOT to run its modified boot.ini file when it "sees" only the original HD.  

    Dumb as I am, I still know enough to construct a simple batch file, for example, with "if not exist J:\nul
    goto :boot2" - or similar, as applies.  Seems to me, somebody at MS missed out on 'boot camp'.

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    I do not quite follow your message to me, above, panboy. What boot sector of what? HD do you mean?
    (BTW and FYI, I had to, of necessity, also make the prime partition on the Slave bootable, obviously).

    If you mean my Master HD, who gave permission to the Win XP CD for this? Why is this redundant, misguided boot.ini file still messing with my system when I've already removed the Slave HD?  

    Was supposed to be a simple op: Install OS to a Slave HD; then transfer HD to target computer.  My memory quite poor nowadays;  don't recollect running into this sort of situation  before in last 2 or 3 decades - either w/ DOS or any other Win OS or Ap I'm familiar with. Why all the agro?

    IMHO and frankly, I don't believe Windows has any business messing around with my Master HD nor my
    Registry when all I asked it to do was to install on the Slave drive - not take over my system. Exactly
    how can I avoid such a distasteful disaster in future?

    Only logical reason I could see why this boot menu might come in handy, BTW (in this case, where 2 HD's have identical OS), is where the original OS on Disk-1 became corrupt.  Don't think this would be a v. common practice.  Must be better ways, w/ less HD space wasted, to achieve same objective.

    To reiterate, as I could not install XP via the other 2 older computers, for reasons already given, I had no choice BUT to partition and format my friend's new HD in MY OWN COMP, connecting it as a Slave. If anyone can tell me some better way I could have done this, under circumstances, I'd really appreciate.

    ---

    BTW, can't find Boot.ini (via 'Search' or otherwise). All folders/files unhidden. All extensions exposed.
    Thought "Registry" was supposed to have replaced all that and the "...ini" 's; unless it's on the Slave?  

     What I'd really like to know now is:

    1) How to do a similar but "correct" XP install to a Slave drive (if this is possible),
    2) How and where to edit that boot menu - to kill it (something else I've forgotten) and
    3) how to get one of the 2 old comps to accept that XP installation. I'll be jumpering that new
        Drive shortly as a Master and try to get it working in one of those old comps - again.

    It looks like all else (TG) is back to normal now. Main Panic over. Got my box back.

    Thanks for all the support so far. Learned a lot from you all. Got it all filed away and categorized in
    my XP learner DB for future ref.  Be needing that. Hope someone can answer the above first 2 anyway.

    Jed... :) :) :)

    jedtimmer

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    Re: FDISK problem. Stops partway in...
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2006, 12:37:30 AM »
    PS.  Forgot to mention. Did try a 'Restore' also, just in case; but found that the new XP install to the
    Slave HDD  must have somehow deleted all my restore points.  Only found one for 15 July (already
    to late) and the one for today, 18 July 2006.  I don't know what happened to the tons of restore points
    I'd created regularly before.  Wonder if 'Disk Cleanup' had anything to do with this - but I never
    specifically asked anything to delete all my restore points.

    Jed...  :-?