i have tried many google searches to no aval, i get error number 80048820 . i read somthing about setting the MTU to 1400, but, i have no idea where the settng is in my router, if you can help, i am in the chat now, as of 10:48 eastern time. thanks in advance. btw, i have tried MSN live messager, same error, differant code. thats microsoft for you though