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What Upgrades do you suggest?
« on: January 02, 2007, 10:10:38 AM »
Hello I am about to start upgrading my computer and I was wanting some help on what might be the best upgrade for me first?   Please note I use my computer for gaming

Current PC Config

Processor:  Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.60GHz
        RAM:  2.5 GB RAM
    Display:  Radeon X1600 PRO AGP 512 MB Videocard

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Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2007, 10:15:43 AM »
If you post an Everest report we can see what upgrade paths are available to you.
Also, what sort of budget do you have?
And what games do you play?
One thing I will say is that with an AGP slot your upgrades are limited, a new motherboard may e a good idea.

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    Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
    « Reply #2 on: January 02, 2007, 10:17:51 AM »
    Well you in a bad situation, since your on AGP you'll want to Upgrade your mother board to PCI Express, and this will mean you have to upgrade you GFX card as well

    you would be able to keep the CPU but you might find it hard to Get a PCI express Mother board that it fits in.

    you should be able to Keep the Ram as long as its DDR

    Id say your most likely looking at a new system.

    if i were you id try to get a few mor months out of the one you have, i cant imagine that your having any trouble playing games with it at the moment

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    Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
    « Reply #3 on: January 02, 2007, 10:19:50 AM »
    Oh ok well what is a good type of gaming motherboard..... I am trying to play Flight Sim X but its very low framerate.... So what do you suggest

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      Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
      « Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 10:29:35 AM »
      I would have to recommend a nividia Based mother board built on the Nforce 590 SLI chip set (This is because I'm an Nvidia Fanboy)

      and then you could pair that with one or if your Crazy 2 Geforce 8***'s

      Azus make some very good mother boards , but they come at a price , if you don't have that much Cash MSI make some Very good Cheap Mother boards

      Also you might want to consider one of the New Dual Core Chips , they do have an Extra bit of a kick.

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      Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
      « Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 10:30:35 AM »
      What's your budget?

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        Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
        « Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 10:40:21 AM »
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        FlightsimX
        System Requirements
         
        Microsoft® Windows® XP SP2 / Vista
        PC with 1 GHz equivalent or higher processor
        256 MB of system RAM for Windows XP SP2 / 512 MB Vista
        14 GB available hard disk space
        DVD-ROM drive
        32 MB DirectX 9 compatible video card required
        Sound card, speakers or headphones required for audio
        Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device
        56.6 Kbps or better modem for online play

        What do you say about that?

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          Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
          « Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 10:48:49 AM »
          Fed those Specs seem to be Very low...

          a game of that statue should run perfectly on this fellows PC, an i know theses things i use my Hardware until it dies a slow painful death

          i played CNC Generals on a Geforce 2 Mx before i Upgraded to a Geforce 5
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            Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
            « Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 10:53:17 AM »
            It came from a reliable source. http://www.microsoft.com/games/pc/flightsimulatorx.aspx
            His computer should eat that game. :-?

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            Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
            « Reply #9 on: January 02, 2007, 11:00:19 AM »
            Yes thats correct but that game needs alot more that that belive me... Can someone give me a good link ot a good motherboard

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              Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
              « Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 11:01:31 AM »
              I think it may be the Case that some kind of Evil Resides on you computer , and it is turning your jovial tasks in to hellish works

              I must Recomned you perform the standard procudure

              Run some anti Mal-ware Programs

              Avg-free
              Avg Anti-Spy
              http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1

              I like Adaware and Spy bot aswell
              http://www.lavasoftusa.com/
              http://www.safer-networking.org/

              Post a hijack this log
              http://www.majorgeeks.com/download3155.html
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                Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                « Reply #11 on: January 02, 2007, 11:07:19 AM »
                http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=101&l3=300&model=1207&modelmenu=1

                Here's a good one , but it would require a complete up grade of your system
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                Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                « Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 11:08:58 AM »
                Re: Flight Sim X - it's a very intensive game, people report that it feels sluggish sometimes even on an X1900 series or 7900 series card.

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                  Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                  « Reply #13 on: January 02, 2007, 11:58:01 AM »
                  Does this game run off the CD or can it be fully installed on the HDD?
                  Needless to say, update Windows, update ALL drivers from the manufacturer's websites, check the game website for patches and try disabling all unnecessary running programs.
                  Didn't Flightsim used to have a lot of user configurable control sensitivity adjustments?

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                    Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                    « Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 07:44:23 AM »
                    The ONLY thing that matters is the GPU.

                    X1800GTO - 120$
                    X1900GT - 150$
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                      Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                      « Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 07:48:46 AM »
                      Thats not right Track, thats not right at all.
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                      Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                      « Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 07:51:37 AM »
                      I must agree, the GPU is not the ONLY thing that matters for anything.
                      What about an upgrade for an older system if the GPU is the only thing that matters?
                      A Pentium 3 400MHz with 128Mb of RAM and an 8800GTX?
                      I know that's not right because a Pentium 3 motherboard wouldn't have a PCI-E slot, but it serves to illustrate my point.

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                        Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                        « Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 08:00:58 AM »
                        AS LONG AS THE CPU ISNT A BOTTLENECK - the GPU is the only thing that matters.
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                        Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                        « Reply #18 on: January 03, 2007, 08:03:17 AM »
                        I hate to be different, but also if the RAM isn't a bottleneck . . . a very small amount of RAM would also bottleneck the GPU.

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                          Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                          « Reply #19 on: January 03, 2007, 08:04:34 AM »
                          What about the Speed of his Ram, if hes Using PC133 Even tho he has 2 1/2 Gigs it could slow the whole thing to a crawl
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                          Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                          « Reply #20 on: January 03, 2007, 08:06:48 AM »
                          It could indeed.
                          There are many possible bottlenecks in any system.

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                            « Reply #21 on: January 03, 2007, 08:28:36 AM »
                            Just remmember that the GPU is the ONLY thing that matters because its the ONLY beneficial part of your PC. Everything else is only a limiting factor.
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                            Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                            « Reply #22 on: January 03, 2007, 08:33:33 AM »
                            It's the only beneficial part towards graphics performance.
                            Saying that the GPU is the only beneficial part isn't quite right.
                            The GPU is not beneficial when crunching numbers in databases, the CPU and, to a lesser extent, the RAM is.
                            The GPU is only beneficial towards 3D games and, if it's a professional GPU such as the Quadro or FireGL series, beneficial towards CAD work.
                            Everything can be seen as a limiting factor, and also as a beneficial factor.

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                              Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                              « Reply #23 on: January 03, 2007, 09:07:38 AM »
                              Track just stop this. We've gone from "the GPU is the ONLY thing that matters" to "the GPU is the ONLY thing that matters - apart from .. ... ..."

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                              The ONLY thing that matters is the GPU.
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                              AS LONG AS THE CPU ISNT A BOTTLENECK - the GPU is the only thing that matters.

                              Whether or not the graphics card is the only beneficial part and everything else is limiting is a whole different debate, but what most certainly is not true is that the GPU is the ONLY thing that matters. Important yes. But when you say it is the only thing, then you are wrong.

                              In my own personal opinion I would say that the RAM is a limiting factor. Do you know what limiting factor means? Something that, if there is insufficent amounts of it, slows something down. If there is more of it than the required amount, then more adds no extra speed, or only negligable. If your game doesn't have enough RAM for its data, it will play very poorly. On the otherhand, if the game needs only 400MB, and we assume Windows et al uses little RAM for this example, then it does not matter whether the system has 512MB RAM or 4096MB RAM.. there is sufficient memory for the game, and so it is not a limiting factor.

                              Faster CPU, GPU, whatever, on the other hand, increasing their speed will always increase the speed of the game, assuming there is no built-in limit (eg some games cap at certain fps). Although humans find games smooth at 20fps, 30fps whatever the exact figure is not important right now, that is purely an arbitary figure. If humans had much slower reactions and thinking speeds, 10fps might appear smooth. As far as the computer is concerned, 1fps or 100fps it does not care. It has no notion of how smooth the game is running. You cannot clearly say that there is an absolute "optimal" frames per second rate, and everything below that is poor, everything above is acceptable.

                              With RAM on the otherhand, where you can work out down to the last byte how much space is needed (unless it is poorly programmed!), you CAN specifcy an amount of memory needed, where everything below is insufficent space and everything above has surplus space available. So therefore, RAM is a limiting factor, whereas CPU and GPU speeds are benefical factors.

                              Also on Calum's point, he is correct in saying how important components depend on what you are doing, eg a fast graphics card no use for a database, but I'm assuming your "this is always right in every situation" comment was aimed at playing games only.

                              Although of course I don't know why I wrote all this, because you are so stubborn I doubt anything I say will change your mind and if you was actually interestied in increasing your knowledge, rather than sticking to your own minconceptions, you would have discussed this in the many other posts the issue was raised, rather than just wimping out and leaving. If you, or anybody else, thinks I am wrong then please do feel free to point on where and WHY for a change. I am always seeking to enhance my computer knowledge, which involves admitting when I am wrong and correcting myself, but I also have a responsability to prevent incorrect knowledge and misinformation from spreading. Therefore everytime you make that incorrect statement on any post, I should haunt you constantly until either you stop saying it or I am proved wrong, in which case I will apologise. (By that I mean fundamentally; if I just made a slight nit-picky mistake somewhere that's a bit different). There is no escaping the wrath of Khan.. uh.. I mean Neil.
                              « Last Edit: January 03, 2007, 09:19:08 AM by Neil »

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                                « Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 04:34:11 PM »
                                well said.

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                                Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                                « Reply #25 on: January 03, 2007, 05:25:37 PM »
                                See there, Track. I told you it wasn't just me.  ::)

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                                  « Reply #26 on: January 05, 2007, 02:50:21 AM »
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                                  See there, Track. I told you it wasn't just me.  ::)

                                  Are u ppl all crazy?

                                  He didnt say ANYTHING. He just rephrased what i said before.. and then said that i was wrong.. and then he called me "stubborn".

                                  Graphics cards are beneficial. OBVIOUSLY if u have a Pentium 3, then ur 8800 GTX isnt going to be much good.. but thats so obvious that i didnt think i needed to clerify it.. but i DID.

                                  Thnx for the lecture on what the human eye can see.. maybe when u learn something from I say, ull understand instead of dismissing what i say for no reason.
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                                    « Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 03:40:13 AM »
                                    Graphics cards are beneficial. OBVIOUSLY if u have a Pentium 3, then ur 8800 GTX isnt going to be much good.. but thats so obvious that i didnt think i needed to clerify it.. but i DID.


                                    Who is this obvious to Track , this is a web site where newbies come to get tech help some of them don't know what CPU means, and then you saying blatant things like the Gpu is the only thing that matters, even if you know said statement to be untrue its very off putting

                                    My computer Has a Very Big GPU 2 of em in fact and i don't get the Best Performance in the world, and i have a duel core CPU , so what do you think is wrong?

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                                      Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                                      « Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 08:59:34 AM »
                                      Is that all you have to say? What a pityful response. Compare my beast of a post with your wimpy 10-line "counter-argument". I even included spaces because I was feeling generous.

                                      Yes I did rephrase what you said before, yes I did say you was wrong  and then I did call you stubborn. Aren't you at least going to try to explain where I am wrong? Come on, bestow us with your expert knowledge. My point was, in my opinion, the CPU and GPU are benifical factors whereas the RAM amount is a limiting factor. You said that the GPU is a beneficial factor, and the CPU and RAM and are limiting factors (well actually you say "everything else is a limiting factor". Could you at least try to backup what you say with something?

                                      If you have some future processor with 30Ghz speed and a 8800 GTX then obviously your processor isn't going to be very good and so, using your logic, that makes the graphics card a limiting factor.

                                      I do not dismiss what you say for no reason. Dismiss implies I did not consider it. If I did not consider it, I would not have spent so long trying to disprove it. Now is your chance to earn your self-attributed title of "expert" by giving me a complete thrashing and providing a super arguement to prove everything I have said is wrong and make me look like a complete idiot. Go on, I'm waiting.

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                                        « Reply #29 on: January 05, 2007, 06:38:08 PM »
                                        Track, maybe you should consider taking a look at yourself, consider why everyone is starting to object to what you say.

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                                        « Reply #30 on: January 05, 2007, 08:12:01 PM »
                                        If everyone else thinks you are a horse maybe you should just get a saddle?

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                                        Re: What Upgrades do you suggest?
                                        « Reply #31 on: January 05, 2007, 08:28:00 PM »
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                                        Just remmember that the GPU is the ONLY thing that matters because its the ONLY beneficial part of your PC. Everything else is only a limiting factor.

                                        If this were true all anyone would need for a state of the art gaming monster would be a board, PSU and an awesome GPU...
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