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    Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
    « on: May 06, 2007, 08:05:24 PM »
    I've been doing a bit of research, but haven't come up with anything concrete. I was wondering if you guys had any idea on what scale an individual would have to download music/video/programs etc. before a corporation would legally pursue that individual, as well as what laws there are governing that area that may be used against that individual by the corporation. Thanks

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    Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
    « Reply #1 on: May 06, 2007, 08:39:51 PM »

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    Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
    « Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 08:48:32 PM »
    Lets sum it this way:
    P2P applications (Like Limewire, Torrents, or Kazza) are not illegal.
    (Except for Australia)
    They are used for file sharing.

    Downloading copyrighted materials is illegal, no matter what. (Unless its payed in the background by advertisements) (This is excluding Kazaa, which installs adware on your computer so that they can make money, but not pay for downloads)

    Open source, GNU agreement type programs, and Free Software Foundation based programs are legal to download, since they are available to anyone for free.

    Never download a .exe application from a P2P client.

    Any industry can crack down on your for just one download, its just a matter of finding you.

    Files with the .wma extension often can contain a license allowing easy tracking

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      « Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 09:00:33 PM »
      Ok, thank you, but my question is more along the lines of not if they can track you, that I know, but rather how often does this happen? I know that lawsuits are quite often filed against corporations behind this etc., but how often do they pursue the individual?

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      Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
      « Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 09:33:07 PM »
      Just check the link GX1_Man provided.  There are all sorts of news stories about these lawsuits.  You don't hear about it too terribly often, but it does happen.
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      « Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 09:37:25 PM »
      Just check the link GX1_Man provided.  There are all sorts of news stories about these lawsuits.  You don't hear about it too terribly often, but it does happen.
      Some would say its not worth risking, but as for music, I download music since I cant afford to buy a $20 CD with three songs I am going to listen to

      Honestly! It's only 50 cents per a blank audio CD, 70 cents if they actually use a high quality audio CD, and probably a buck per CD to mass burn, and you only need a $5 profit...
      so that $6.75 there
      But even then, $5 a CD is a high profit.

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        « Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 09:39:06 PM »
        Just out of curiosity, roughly how much do you download/have you downloaded?

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        Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
        « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 09:43:45 PM »
        Umm... are you from the government?

        I get a lot of music from my brother and sister, and I have a folder on my computer with my downloads.

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          « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 09:44:44 PM »
          No, I'm not from the government. I'm doing research on this stuff for a paper for school.
          And I don't see that suspiscion as a justifiable reason to change my status from Intermediate to Beginner.
          « Last Edit: May 06, 2007, 10:02:40 PM by phoenix910 »

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          « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2007, 10:07:21 PM »
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          Some would say its not worth risking, but as for music, I download music since I cant afford to buy a $20 CD with three songs I am going to listen to

          Honestly! It's only 50 cents per a blank audio CD, 70 cents if they actually use a high quality audio CD, and probably a buck per CD to mass burn, and you only need a $5 profit...
          so that $6.75 there
          But even then, $5 a CD is a high profit.

          No matter the economics it sounds like your justifying it in a way....
          " Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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          « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 10:13:32 PM »
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          Some would say its not worth risking, but as for music, I download music since I cant afford to buy a $20 CD with three songs I am going to listen to

          Honestly! It's only 50 cents per a blank audio CD, 70 cents if they actually use a high quality audio CD, and probably a buck per CD to mass burn, and you only need a $5 profit...
          so that $6.75 there
          But even then, $5 a CD is a high profit.

          No matter the economics it sounds like your justifying it in a way....
          What exactly do you mean, Patio?

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          « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 11:40:56 PM »
          Zylstra does seem to be justifying it (although nowadays you can buy individual songs instead of a whole CD), but that's his business.  Personally, I'm not against sharing music.  Many artists I listen to support this because it's a good way for them to get exposure.  Some people think it helps sales, and some think it hinders them.  Either way, I haven't seen nearly as much of an effect as had been predicted.

          I've got thousands of songs I'll never pay for.  I've also got thousands I will eventually pay for or have already paid for.  I certainly don't reflect everyone, but filesharing hasn't affected my buying.  Being fairly poor, I can't buy many albums as it is, so I wouldn't be buying most of this music anyway.  It doesn't hurt for me to still enjoy it.  It's not like I can listen to the radio or watch MTV to get my music fix.

          Music doesn't exactly cost a lot of money to make.  As poor as I am, I helped produce an album last year and the total costs came out to maybe  $100-150 at the most.  The guy broke even after one show and gave away the rest of the CD's.  My friends and I make music and we distribute it freely over the internet.  The internet makes it so easy and cheap to be a musician these days.  You don't even have to be signed to a major label anymore to be recognized.  I think that's worth all of the pirated music.

          Besides, if you're doing this for the money, you're in it for all the wrong reasons.
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          « Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 03:53:17 AM »
          Honestly! It's only 50 cents per a blank audio CD, 70 cents if they actually use a high quality audio CD, and probably a buck per CD to mass burn, and you only need a $5 profit...
          so that $6.75 there
          But even then, $5 a CD is a high profit.

          Plus something for the musicians, something for the various companies involved in recording, marketing, distributing, the cover artwork, printing the sleeves, assembling the whole thing, etc.

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            Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
            « Reply #13 on: May 07, 2007, 04:42:31 AM »
            Alot of the music I like you cant actually buy anyway :(
            I have well over 2 Gigs of music I wouldnt be able to buy

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            « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2007, 08:16:02 AM »
            What the RIAA seems to be more concerned about is re-sharing your downloads (which happens with most P2P software during and after you rdownload).

            Until I installed PeerGuardian I got a couple of complaints from BayTSP. The tricky problem is how to respond to a complaint from BayTSP without incriminating oneself, so I created an anonymous email account and sent them a two word message "problem solved".

            I get the impression that the RIAA will go after anyone who confesses to intimidating threats from the likes of BayTSP, or if they find more than a few files being shared. And from reading about them on Slashdot it appears they are like Rotweillers in pursuing a "victim" until they get a conviction. (I say "victim" because some of the time they get the wrong person).

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              « Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 09:27:51 PM »
              How long ago was the last RIAA lawsuit filed? The last I could find was 2004.

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                « Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 12:11:27 AM »
                Thanks

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                « Reply #18 on: May 08, 2007, 03:50:18 AM »
                What the RIAA seems to be more concerned about is re-sharing your downloads (which happens with most P2P software during and after you rdownload).

                Until I installed PeerGuardian I got a couple of complaints from BayTSP. The tricky problem is how to respond to a complaint from BayTSP without incriminating oneself, so I created an anonymous email account and sent them a two word message "problem solved".

                I get the impression that the RIAA will go after anyone who confesses to intimidating threats from the likes of BayTSP, or if they find more than a few files being shared. And from reading about them on Slashdot it appears they are like Rotweillers in pursuing a "victim" until they get a conviction. (I say "victim" because some of the time they get the wrong person).
                Simplest solution: don't share your files.
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                « Reply #19 on: May 08, 2007, 02:08:12 PM »
                What the RIAA seems to be more concerned about is re-sharing your downloads (which happens with most P2P software during and after you rdownload).

                Until I installed PeerGuardian I got a couple of complaints from BayTSP. The tricky problem is how to respond to a complaint from BayTSP without incriminating oneself, so I created an anonymous email account and sent them a two word message "problem solved".

                I get the impression that the RIAA will go after anyone who confesses to intimidating threats from the likes of BayTSP, or if they find more than a few files being shared. And from reading about them on Slashdot it appears they are like Rotweillers in pursuing a "victim" until they get a conviction. (I say "victim" because some of the time they get the wrong person).
                Simplest solution: don't share your files.
                What are you? An... anti-sharer?
                Huh?
                What are you? Takethefunoutofeverything-er
                (Quick! Everyone! Upload your songs to Limewire or...something)
                 :D

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                Re: Copyright and P2P, Program sharing questions.
                « Reply #20 on: May 08, 2007, 09:12:56 PM »
                Well, I'm on dial-up and can't handle downloading and uploading at the same time, so no, I don't share my files.  I do have a small share folder and if I like someone, I'll give them access to it, but that's about it.  The files are already available and downloading from me would take forever anyway, so I don't see the harm.
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