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would you buy an ev?

yes
2 (25%)
no
1 (12.5%)
maybe (if the price was right)
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vettelady

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    electric vehicle
    « on: March 03, 2008, 03:50:57 PM »
    i just thought i would put out a poll to see what the interest in this technology would be.
    i have been doing alot of research into this subject, as the price of gas goes ever higher.
    (i've been told by summer we will be paying $4.00 for a gallon of gas) >:(

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      « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2008, 05:14:25 PM »
      i would if they were >$30,000. they not only have to make eco-friendly cars, but they need to make them affordable.

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      Re: electric vehicle
      « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2008, 06:09:21 PM »
      I cant afford a vehicle...
      Also, I cant work here either, since there are no places to work.. unless I want to work in the harvest.. which, does not sound fun.

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      Re: electric vehicle
      « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2008, 06:16:02 PM »
      ...
      i have been doing alot of research into this subject,

      What is the cost per mile for 'fuel'?     

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      as the price of gas goes ever higher.
      (i've been told by summer we will be paying $4.00 for a gallon of gas) >:(

      Good old supply and demand.   There is a huge demand for gas,  so they've got us.     It is a real shame.....

      As far as electric vehicles go -  if and when we all have to use them,  then the demand will be for electricity.   If the vehicles are rechargable,  then the price of electricity will sky rocket even worse that it is now.




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      « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2008, 06:19:17 PM »
      ... they not only have to make eco-friendly cars, ...

      That depends.   :)

      The energy to move that car came from somewhere.   

      What made the electricity (if using rechargable batteries)?    A coal burning generator?       Steam made with a nuclear reactor?


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        « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 06:24:27 PM »
        ... they not only have to make eco-friendly cars, ...

        That depends.   :)

        The energy to move that car came from somewhere.   

        What made the electricity (if using rechargable batteries)?    A coal burning generator?       Steam made with a nuclear reactor?

        i have hydro where i live.

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          « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2008, 07:03:53 PM »
          ...
          i have been doing alot of research into this subject,

          What is the cost per mile for 'fuel'?     

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          as the price of gas goes ever higher.
          (i've been told by summer we will be paying $4.00 for a gallon of gas) >:(

          Good old supply and demand.   There is a huge demand for gas,  so they've got us.     It is a real shame.....

          As far as electric vehicles go -  if and when we all have to use them,  then the demand will be for electricity.   If the vehicles are rechargable,  then the price of electricity will sky rocket even worse that it is now.






          i have been looking into all of this, not just the price of gas, but my boyfriend wants to build an ev, it would be similiar to the tesla, but for a single  person, like something you can use to get back and forth to work and run some errands.
          he has already built one (using regular car batteries)  but with the lithium ion batteries that the tesla is using, the range would be far supioror.
          the only thing is the cost of the lithium battery itself.

          the next few paragraphs i got from another post at an ev site.
          it  mentions how in the long run, even using coal power plants for the electricity. it would still be more effient.
          it starts off mentioning the tesla, which sells for $100,000 ::)




          Ok guys there is one reason and ONE reason only that the tesla costs so much money. The answer is a number (no its not 42)

          6,831

          Know what that is? Thats the result of Chevron buying and sitting on the patent for the only currently tried and true VIABLE battery tech for EV's

          Thats how many CONSUMER lithium battery cells Tesla had to use to make there car work. Nearly 7 thousand freaking batteries!!!

          Do the math. Imagine the consquences and you will QUICKLY see why this car costs that much money.

          GM had a battery that could take a car over 100 miles for $4500

          THERE cost to build this car ? $80,000 BEFORE you say thats a lot consider it was a bleeding edge hand made prototype of which LESS than 1,000 were made

          If you ramped up production of an $80,000 prototype to millions of cars it would cost less than $10k to make them......

          want 200 miles? easy toss in TWO $4500 battery packs. I have seen people spend more than 9k on leads for HALF that range. 10+ years later (today) it would cost a lot less than $4500

          Sadly this patent does not expire till 2015 so until someone invents something NEW (and the only ones with the REAL money to do the R&D needed also have the MOST to lose by doing so...)

          Result - We get screwed. GM sold controlling stock in ovonics (battery tech) to Texaco. Chevron bought Texaco.

          Chevron has controlling share in ECD Cobasys and has VETO rights on ANY usage of the battery technology. IE NO EV's allowed.

          EV's at minimum 6 times more efficient than Gas cars so EVEN IF you transfer the pollution to a COAL plant (recharging the car) your producing 1/6th the pollution.

          To top that off Nano Solar just shipped there first solar panels for 90cents a watt IF they can get them to US consumers at or near that price then consider this.

          $1600 for the grid tie in and $500 for the solar panel and driving your car would not become FREE and 100% pollution free. That $500 panel would produce MORE E each month than you would use charging your car. You see that E to the utility so its makes power for you from morning to night and you get the credit on your E Bill. that credit will be larger than your deficit to charge the car. 100% free to Drive 100% pollution free. Its a win win.

          I want an EV so badly I am dieing for one. I would save over $3 grand a year in gasoline!!

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            « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 07:37:03 PM »
            gotta love how the gas companies control our economy. >:(

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            Re: electric vehicle
            « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2008, 09:07:23 AM »
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            EV's at minimum 6 times more efficient than Gas cars so EVEN IF you transfer the pollution to a COAL plant (recharging the car) your producing 1/6th the pollution.
            ...

            Ok.
            Thanks for the numbers.


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            ... Its a win win.

            I want an EV so badly I am dieing for one. I would save over $3 grand a year in gasoline!!


            How are they going to tax you on it though?     <eg>
            All those taxes on a gallon of gas contribute to paying for the roads we drive on,  don't they?   
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              Re: electric vehicle
              « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2008, 10:08:08 AM »
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              EV's at minimum 6 times more efficient than Gas cars so EVEN IF you transfer the pollution to a COAL plant (recharging the car) your producing 1/6th the pollution.
              ...

              Ok.
              Thanks for the numbers.


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              ... Its a win win.

              I want an EV so badly I am dieing for one. I would save over $3 grand a year in gasoline!!


              How are they going to tax you on it though?     <eg>
              All those taxes on a gallon of gas contribute to paying for the roads we drive on,  don't they?   

              i don't know about you, but in my area, i do get charged tax on my electric bill, besides all the other fees they charge.

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              Re: electric vehicle
              « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2008, 10:41:33 AM »
              So can you turn a gas car into an ev?

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              « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2008, 11:28:26 AM »
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              i don't know about you, but in my area, i do get charged tax on my electric bill, besides all the other fees they charge.

              Road tax?     ... I doubt it.

              For example,  the last I knew,  when farmers have their own gas and diesel pumps for fueling their tractors -   technically if they put any of that fuel in a car or truck, it is not legal.    Because...  no road tax was paid on that fuel.
              It was intended and sold for ag use.

              Your and my current (no pun intended) electric bills do not include any road taxes that I know of.   
              They really couldn't charge it on the whole bill either.

              They'd have to find a way to come up with that money that would no longer be coming in,  if the tax revenue on gas and diesel dropped off due to less consumption.
              And THAT is a scary thought....  turning them loose to find another way to tax!          Not saying that it might not be necessary.... am saying that it is scary and needs to be thought through in advance by us peons out here that bear the load.

                 
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                « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 06:13:00 PM »
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                i don't know about you, but in my area, i do get charged tax on my electric bill, besides all the other fees they charge.

                Road tax?     ... I doubt it.

                For example,  the last I knew,  when farmers have their own gas and diesel pumps for fueling their tractors -   technically if they put any of that fuel in a car or truck, it is not legal.    Because...  no road tax was paid on that fuel.
                It was intended and sold for ag use.

                Your and my current (no pun intended) electric bills do not include any road taxes that I know of.   
                They really couldn't charge it on the whole bill either.

                They'd have to find a way to come up with that money that would no longer be coming in,  if the tax revenue on gas and diesel dropped off due to less consumption.
                And THAT is a scary thought....  turning them loose to find another way to tax!          Not saying that it might not be necessary.... am saying that it is scary and needs to be thought through in advance by us peons out here that bear the load.

                   


                with the technology finally trickeling out, some people are talking about getting rid of the gas tax, and just making a tax on everyone who drives per mile.
                that would be something to see.

                anyway, this new tech, with evs is so new that not even 1% of the cars on the market are just electric.
                there are alot of hybrids out there, nothing compared to the millions of reg. cars.

                while we are on the subject of the gas tax, there are quite a few people out there driving around on veg. oil.
                (not that many, but still, they are out there)
                i highly doubt they are paying any tax on that

                i am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing evs.
                we will just have to wait and see.
                 ::)

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                « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 06:26:17 PM »

                with the technology finally trickeling out, some people are talking about getting rid of the gas tax, and just making a tax on everyone who drives per mile.
                that would be something to see.

                Yes... I wonder how they would implement such a thing.


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                while we are on the subject of the gas tax, there are quite a few people out there driving around on veg. oil.
                (not that many, but still, they are out there)
                i highly doubt they are paying any tax on that

                Yep.  :)   First thing I think of when I see them featured on some show on TV.

                I guess that since the guy that makes his own fuel from McDonald's waste deep fry grease is one in 10 million,   they just let it slide.


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                i am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing evs.

                You could just as well have said, "I am sure the gov. is working on new ways to come up with taxing ____________.
                (Fill in the blank with anything that comes to mind! )       :D


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                we will just have to wait and see.
                 ::)

                Yep.  Tuesday, Nov. 4th will be here soon enough.      ;)
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                « Reply #14 on: March 08, 2008, 04:06:25 AM »
                Sorry,The USA has ruined the language The United Kingdom loaned us. We do our best not to type gibberish. I Hope you can forgive us.