Perfered Programming Language

[Carbon Dudeoxide]

I program in Binary.

Using switches?

Yeah......of course.....

[Dias de verano]

Way to go!

[Carbon Dudeoxide]

Oh no, nothing too fancy. I just spend my days typing Zeros and Ones until they do something......

[macdad-]

Way to go!

holy crap thats like dino computer.  but interesting

[BC_Programmer]

100101011010110110110010010011101011101 010101010111011011011100010110010101100 110011010001011011011011101011010101101 011010100110110101011010101011010100101 101010110010110101010101010100010010011 001001010111001010110110111010010110010 110011001100101100110101010110011001101 010110110110110001010111001010110111010 010010101101011010001001011001010101100 111001011001011010110101011010110110101


Oh sorry, I was accidentally talking in my other language. you see I know 10 languages, English and Binary.

Way to go!

WOW! that computer even has KEYS! newfangled! Much more efficient then shorting out pin blocks.

[macdad-]

wasnt that computer from the 70's?

[Aegis]

Part of why the old systems were amazing in what they could do for the hardware specs was they didn't have to waste resources on providing a pretty graphical user interface!   

[Bones92]

Part of why the old systems were amazing in what they could do for the hardware specs was they didn't have to waste resources on providing a pretty graphical user interface!   

I agree, these GUI's are useless for me. I'd rather have a win 3.1 that could run todays programs than XP hoggin half my ram so it looks nice

[Dias de verano]

I'd rather have a win 3.1 that could run todays programs than XP hoggin half my ram so it looks nice

Is it really "hoggin" it or just using it?

[macdad-]

if you think about it the DOS Shell and Windows 3.1 are GUI's technicly speaking even if they arent as fancy as Windows Vista's GUI.

[BC_Programmer]

if you think about it the DOS Shell and Windows 3.1 are GUI's technicly speaking even if they arent as fancy as Windows Vista's GUI.

umm, its not a question of technicality. Windows 3.1 and DOS-SHELL are GUI's. they use Graphics to present a User-Interface- kind of cut and dried if you ask me.

win 3.1 that could run todays programs

therein lies the problem. Have you ever managed to run a Win32 PE on Win 3.1. BTW.

Also, If memory serves, Windows 3.1 won't use more then 64MB of RAM anyway, so the rest still gets wasted. And even if it could, it always runs out of selectors for it's GDI and USER heaps anyway, so it's not really a question of memory use, but rather limitations in it's design.

If you don't want XP to waste resources in it's Luna themes, just disable it and use the Classic theme. There, problem mostly solved.


And, finally, Windows Vista isn't a GUI, because that assumes that the User decides what they do, not the OS. It's more of a "here, you could do a lot of things, but you're only allowed to do these." type thing. Hard to explain...

[macdad-]

is there a way to over come this limitation on RAM, like how you said Windows 3.1 only works with 64MB of RAM?

[Dias de verano]

is there a way to over come this limitation on RAM, like how you said Windows 3.1 only works with 64MB of RAM?

No.

[macdad-]

oh.

[BC_Programmer]

is there a way to over come this limitation on RAM, like how you said Windows 3.1 only works with 64MB of RAM?

not using RAM wouldn't be the least of the problem if you tried to run Windows 3.1 on a modern computer. Even assuming DOS 6 Fdisk will properly recognize the Hard drive, you still can only make partitions up to 2GB in size (fat32 enabled DOS 7 notwithstanding), which limits you to 23 (letters C through Z) times 2GB, or 66 GB. Even then, it's using a ridiculously large cluster size, leaving a lot of slack space. And good luck finding a Video Driver in windows 3.1 written for a new Geforce or Radeon, ditto goes for most sound cards, and I don't think there are drivers for any Wireless cards either.

And if one was to do so, say good-bye to any "advanced features" of the motherboard, like ACPI or Hyperthreading, or, well, pretty much any extension, like SSE,3dnow, MMX... Heck, Windows 3.1 only supports PCI when drivers expose them as ISA, even then their are problems.

And even with 64MB of ram, GDI and USER heaps (as mentioned previously) are limited to 64K, and their is a limit on the number of "selectors" (memory handles, I believe) that can be allocated. Once those are exhausted, it won't matter if you have 2MB or 2GB or memory, it won't be able to allocate any more (usually followed by a terrific crash, including fonts reverting to system.