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    « on: May 06, 2009, 10:18:06 AM »
    Anyone care to post their speeds using different browsers? These results are using my isp, my system.
    FF--1321--kbps
    IE-- 1321-- kbps
    opera-- 1321-- kbps
    chrome-- 1451-- kbps

    I used speakeasy.net, I have dsl. I tested this morning, central us time.  I don't know what is considered fast? I don't consider 1321 to be slow. I realize there are many issues that can effect speed. thanks

    I just wanted to add, my computer is an old Dell P3, bought it used, 100 bucks.

    I just recently learned how to check speed using speakeasy--internetfrog, some of those. Most of my internet life, I've used dial-up just recently switched to dsl. I didn't mean to scare everybody with those numbers. Even if the numbers had been 300kbps on everything. I still would have posted. The point is, you can check speed using different browsers on your own computer. You don't have to post the numbers here. I'm not even sure that is a valid test, switching browsers? I guess I'm the only one that thought it was interesting??????????????
    « Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 06:23:14 AM by jdl »

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    Re: computer speed
    « Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 10:07:37 AM »
    The browser shouldn't make any difference when running a speed test from one of the test sites.  Your connection speed is determined by other factors, not the browser you're using.  So, I don't accept your test as being valid.  The faster speed you say you experienced with Chrome is most likely just a coincidence; if you had used a different browser at the very time you ran a test via Chrome, I suspect you would have gotten the same results.

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    « Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 10:10:21 AM »
    that's true. Sometimes I can test within 5 minutes, my first test might be 5234kbps, and my second might be over 10,000kbps; this is true with almost any ISP but I expect it is more pronounced with the "sharing" implemented by Cable Internet networks.
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      « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 10:41:11 AM »
      Hi, thanks for the replys, I wasn't sure if that was a valid test? Can you separate computer speed from browser speed, am I comparing apples and oranges?

      I did the speed tests in the same time period, yes, using one browser at a time. I did the tests using chrome at the beginning of the test, in the middle and at the end. The results were basically the same. Don't take my word for it, do the tests yourself. I just figured numbers don't lie. I'm not pushing chrome, I don't use chrome as a daily browser.

      If anybody has a better way to test (computer) speed, maybe it is semantics using the word computer, let me know, I like to learn, I think it is interesting. As long as the speed test is free. thanks

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      « Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 07:47:08 PM »
      Yeah, just to make it straight, we're talking here about internet speed, not computer speed.
      100Kbps is really nothing, not to mention, that all those speed tests are more for a general picture, than for a real need.
      Internet speed basically matters regarding two main activities, we perform on the net:
      - surfing
      - downloading
      As for surfing, any high speed internet (cable, DSL, satellite), gives you almost the same speed impression (loading pages).
      As for downloading, you can throw all those speed tests into a garbage can, because it all comes up to quality, speed, and business of servers we download from. Our computers really doesn't matter there.

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        « Reply #5 on: May 08, 2009, 06:00:36 AM »
        Hi, thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity what browser are you using? Some of the databases I need to look at on the internet won't fully load with anything except IE, not FF-- opera--safari--chrome. Running those speed tests, I noticed the upload speed, 300kbps, not much compared to download. I just learned to check internet speed, give me break, new toy, something to play with. thanks

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        « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2009, 07:30:04 AM »
        That is normal. Upload speeds, compared to downlaod speeds, are normally about the ratio of the upload and download speeds you have obtained from your tests.  My download speed is usually around 1450 kbps, while upload will be around 374 kbps.
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          « Reply #7 on: May 08, 2009, 07:46:02 AM »
          Thanks for the reply, it is interesting. That 1450 speed you listed, is it the same no matter what browser your using? I can get 1450 using chrome, I can't get that using the other browsers, they'er around the 1320s.

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          « Reply #8 on: May 08, 2009, 08:05:14 AM »
          Yes, it's nearly always 1450, +/- 10 points.  And, it's the same with both Firefox and IE.  For me, it's also the same on my wireless laptop as on my wired desktop.  And, I also have a computer runing Linux Ubuntu and get the same results with it, using Firefox.  I have not installed Chrome.  Again, I'm skeptical of the validity of your testing. As I and BC_Programmer have said, and as Broni has implied, the browser has nothing to do with the results of these speed tests. 

          To reiterate what Broni said, if you run a speed test, this does not task your processor, as does software.  Speed tests merely test the speed of data flowing to and from your computer to a remote computer/server. Your computer's processor basically sits idle during such testing and just lets data flow in and out via your hardware components (network adapter, router, modem) and your DSL or cable Internet line provided by your ISP. 

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            « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2009, 09:29:33 AM »
            If I check internet speed using chrome browser, I don't know why the download speed always shows higher than the others??? Also surfing speed, computer performance is faster using chrome than the others, on my computer. I know everybody is ready to fight for their favorite browser and that is fine. I thought browser effected download speed. My test seemed to show it, according to the numbers.  If there is a way to check computer performance speed and not download speed, I'm listening???

            Your download speed on everything is faster than mine. Mine is an old dell P3, when I got it, don't laugh, I had 192 mb ram, a few weeks ago I up-graded the memory a little, 384mb, performance is better, my max is 512 mb. CPU-- 730 mhz. Everybody asks, why fool with that old computer, a basic new one comes with at least a gig of memory in it. The answer is simple, I want to know how to R&R anything in a computer. I won't take a new one apart. I will and have practiced replacing stuff on this old dell. Harddrive--power supply--upgrade the memory-- replaced the cd/dvd. That is just pulling one part, putting another one in. The harddrive came out of an e-machine, it worked. The power supply-- cd/dvd--harddrive all came out of an e-machine, the parts were free, the motherboard was fried in the e-machine. thanks

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            Re: computer speed
            « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2009, 12:09:43 PM »
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            If there is a way to check computer performance speed
            This is basically impossible task, because there too many variables involved.
            The main ones would be: processor speed, amount of RAM, RAM speed, number of startups, video card type, amount of RAM, hard drive free space, etc.....
            Obviously, because of prices, and an easy job, RAM upgrade is the best way of speeding computer up.

            As for browsers, some may be little bit more faster, than others, but again, it depends on some variables.
            Bare bone Chrome, surely will be faster, than Firefox with 10 plug-ins, and 20 add-ons, but it's more of a matter of personal preferences.
            Personally, because of Firefox high customizing level, and reliability, I wouldn't replace it with any other browser, even if FF was twice as slow, as the other.

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              « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2009, 03:24:23 PM »
              Thanks for the reply, I understand personal preference.  I use FF mostly,but, with some internet databases, only IE will load the full page. The more questions I ask, the more I learn. thanks

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              « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2009, 03:29:56 PM »
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              with some internet databases, only IE will load the full page
              Example?

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              « Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 07:04:29 PM »
              I decided to install Chrome on my laptop and run some speed tests.  I ran multiple tests with both browsers.  Overall, test results fluctuated more than usual; I do not attribute that to my computer or the web browsers; it's due to factors external to my personal computing environment.

              The variation in test scores applied to both Firefox and Chrome, with lower and higher scores obtained from both browsers.  The results definitely did not show one browser or the other to consistently yeild better results than the other, just as I expected.

              Again ... AGAIN ... raw speed tests for your Internet service are not determined by the general performance of your computer or the particular web browser you're using.  These tests are not processor-intensive tasks.  This point was previously covered.

              Up until about 5 months ago, I had an old Pentium with Win 98SE and IE 6 sitting in the same room as my main desktop computer.  Using it to view web pages heavily laden with Flash, JavaScript, etc. was a test in patience; it was slow in rendering the page and once rendered, scrolled jerkily.   But, I could run a speed test with it and get the same results as with my main desktop system (Win XP) or my laptop (Vista).
               

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              « Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 07:07:01 PM »
              Nicely said :)

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              « Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 07:08:19 PM »
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              I decided to install Chrome
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              « Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 07:10:30 PM »
              Nicely said :)
              thanks.  :)

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              « Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 07:12:39 PM »
              Why are we comparing Browser speeds with page loading speeds ? ?
              The 2 depend on different elements altogether....
              Or am i missing something as usual ? ?
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              « Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 07:25:44 PM »
              Hmmm....loading a web page is downloading that page to your browser, or....am I missing something?

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              « Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 07:56:26 PM »
              How fast the browser starts up and how fast a page loads once the browser is running are 2 different things...
              Going on what he said here.
              " Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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              « Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 08:09:57 PM »
              Agreed here...

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                « Reply #21 on: May 09, 2009, 09:01:32 AM »
                Example?

                Did the attachment work? The page won't load using FF, It will load using IE. You see the gray vertical dividing line, it keeps switching on and off, like FF is trying to reload? That page should be full of info. thanks

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                  « Reply #22 on: May 09, 2009, 09:33:41 AM »
                  I decided to install Chrome on my laptop and run some speed tests.  I ran multiple tests with both browsers.  Overall, test results fluctuated more than usual; I do not attribute that to my computer or the web browsers; it's due to factors external to my personal computing environment.

                  The variation in test scores applied to both Firefox and Chrome, with lower and higher scores obtained from both browsers.  The results definitely did not show one browser or the other to consistently yeild better results than the other, just as I expected.

                  Again ... AGAIN ... raw speed tests for your Internet service are not determined by the general performance of your computer or the particular web browser you're using.  These tests are not processor-intensive tasks.  This point was previously covered.

                  Up until about 5 months ago, I had an old Pentium with Win 98SE and IE 6 sitting in the same room as my main desktop computer.  Using it to view web pages heavily laden with Flash, JavaScript, etc. was a test in patience; it was slow in rendering the page and once rendered, scrolled jerkily.   But, I could run a speed test with it and get the same results as with my main desktop system (Win XP) or my laptop (Vista).
                   



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                      « Reply #24 on: May 09, 2009, 09:38:35 AM »


                      My bad, I didn't know how to put all attachments on one link. I used speakeasy.net, about 10:30 central time. I used the Dallas link, I'm closer to there. Those are the numbers from my computer system, readem and weep. ;)

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                      « Reply #25 on: May 09, 2009, 09:56:44 AM »
                      Re-read Posts #2 and #13...
                      " Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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                        « Reply #26 on: May 09, 2009, 03:08:59 PM »
                        Re-read Posts #2 and #13...

                        Thanks for the post, I guess I missed your point? My point was as far as internet speed, the chrome browser is faster than the others. It doesn't matter the testing web-site or time of day. Yes,the numbers will change, but, chrome always has the highest kbps, with my isp and system. I can't say what the numbers will show with another isp or computer. thanks

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                          « Reply #27 on: May 09, 2009, 03:19:06 PM »
                          Did the attachment work? The page won't load using FF, It will load using IE. You see the gray vertical dividing line, it keeps switching on and off, like FF is trying to reload? That page should be full of info. thanks

                          The second page was using IE




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                          Re: computer speed
                          « Reply #28 on: May 09, 2009, 04:07:06 PM »
                          Apparently, your purpose for starting this thread was to declare that Chrome is a faster browser because you ran speed tests and got faster results when using Chrome.  I'm not going to repeat everything I've said about Internet speed tests.  But, if you're still trying to convince people that Chrome is a faster browser because it always speed tests run from Chrome will always be faster, people who follow this line of thinking are going to be deceived. 

                          I just ran three tests. Here are the download/upload speeds:
                          1st: Firefox: 1.07Mbps/0.37Mbps
                          2nd: Chrome: 1.19Mbps/0.37Mbps
                          3rd: Firefox again: 1.44Mbps/0.37Mbps

                          Am I going to declare, based on the third test, that Firefox is a faster browser?  No.  I could sit here and run tests all day and it's not going to substantiate one browser to produce faster speeds from speed tests.  As others have said, your perception of speed in web page rendering with different browsers is a separate matter from tests of your Internet connection speed.

                          Regarding the library database you say you can't access with Firefox, I don't know what your problem is there.  I just visited http://www.oplin.org/databases/ with Firefox and find that I can access info.  I don't know exactly what your search procedure and criteria were, so I can't duplicate your exact search.

                          Note: a valid library card is some library in Ohio that is linked to oplin.org system is needed to access the records in this  system.

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                            « Reply #29 on: May 10, 2009, 09:12:03 AM »
                            Hi, thanks for the post. Maybe using the term, (computer speed) was the inaccurate. I guess I should have said, (internet download speed).

                            I know there are many reasons to use a computer, I'm a web browser. I can't see how you can separate computer performance from the browser and in turn the internet download speed?

                            I've posted more than one speed test IE and FF are consistent with each other, one or two digit difference. Chrome is different story. I believe chrome is still in Beta, still got bugs to work out. I don't use chrome as a daily browser, I use ff and IE. The numbers I listed was for my internet download speed test on my computer. Maybe those numbers are different for everybody??

                            I'm not trying to convince you good people of anything. I just thought it was an interesting subject. Your certainly welcome to use whatever browser you want. I couldn't care less. I respect all opinions.

                            The page I listed, that FF wouldn't load, is an automotive database, any large library that serves your area, has this same database. You can access this database from your home computer for free.

                             Everybody have a good day.  ;)


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                            « Reply #30 on: May 10, 2009, 09:25:04 AM »
                            The distinction for speeds is important.

                            the process of "downloading" a file, or web page, involves a lot of components.

                            The browser itself, which basically does- nothing. It opens the connection and accepts incoming data to write to the file, but nothing else. Since download speed is always much slower then the write rate, optimizations here, the only place possible in the browser, are usually not fruitful.

                            Once the browser starts a download, it is the network drivers job to establish a connection to the remote machine, send it the data, wait for the response, and accept it.

                            The connection involves, regardless of your homes configuration, thousands- maybe millions of kilometre's of wire, some of which may be deteriorating. If the facility that has this "well travelled" wire has a power outage or major disaster, the connection is achieved via an alternate route, which may be longer but have better quality wire. By using better, and shorter ethernet cables I have been able to double my download speed from the original supplied ethernet cabling.


                            the speed, performance, and load of the remote server is one of the single most important factors for download speed. if the server is experiencing heavy traffic or simply has an isignificant processor, the outlay of information can suffer; the subsequent recieval of the information will also be slower.
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                              « Reply #31 on: May 10, 2009, 09:44:51 AM »
                              Hi, thanks for the post. You point is well taken. I guess you can't compare internet download speeds except on your own system, too many variables.

                              I wasn't trying to argue with anyone, I just thought it was interesting.  I always learn something, talking to everybody.

                              My next thought was cpu numbers. Whether 1ghz is any better than 730mhz cpu, when the fsb and cache numbers are virtually the same? I think I'll save that for another day. thanks

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                              « Reply #32 on: May 10, 2009, 10:21:34 AM »
                              Here's a tool that might shed some light on external factors affecting tests of Internet connection speed.  Open a Command Prompt panel and type tracert computerhope.com or tracert anyURL (replace anyURL with an actual URL) and hit Enter.  The tracert (trace route) command will execute and will display a list of "hops" and the times, in ms (milli-seconds), for each hop. These hops represent the route the data travels to get from the source server to your computer, and the times for each hop will most likely vary throughout the day. 

                              This brief article may also be interesting: http://www.tcpiq.com/tcpIQ/LineSpeed/Resources/SpeedFactors/

                              Edit: another reference:
                              http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc757819(WS.10).aspx#BKMK_tcpip_tro_using_tracert
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