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    Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
    « on: May 15, 2009, 08:58:39 PM »
    Okay, being an impatient person, I always leave my computer on 'Sleep' mode for my office computer. Unfortunately however, as I put it into sleep mode yesterday, when I tried to 'wake up' my computer again, it somewhat did turn on, but the monitor was blank.

    When I turned on my computer from Sleep Mode, the Yellow sleep light went to Blue, so I suppose some part of my computer did turn on, but it did not lauch Windows (I also made sure the video cable between my monitor and PC was okay). I noticed that I could HEAR the inside of my computer turning on (fans whirring, and a variety of other internal noises).

    Being the computer fool, I did the simplest thing: I did a force shut down via Power Button for 5 Secs. WHen I tried to turn the computer back on, the same thing happened when I tried to it back on, my monitor was blank. However, my USB devices were no long turning on (mouse and keyboard not showing lights). So is this an easy fix, or a In-Store-Expert Fix?

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    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 09:23:28 PM »
    Unplug your computer from the wall. Open up the case, touch the metal chassis with your hand to ground any present static electricity. Pull the RAM sticks out and then reinstall them. Close up the case, plug the computer back in and try turning on the computer to see if it boots...



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      Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
      « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009, 09:30:14 PM »
      Did not work, but thanks.

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      Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
      « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2009, 09:33:24 PM »
      Are there any external devices attached to your computer while it is trying to boot? USB Flash drives, or external harddrives? If so, try unpluging them, momentarily, while you try to boot your computer.

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        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
        « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2009, 09:35:07 PM »
        Yep I tried that, all my USB devices, and Video Cable are un-attached. Just the power cord.

        And my optical drive is empty as well.

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          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
          « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 09:43:25 PM »
          Is it possible it's not neccesarily my HDD's or Mobo's fault for my computer's failure?

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          « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 09:44:04 PM »
          alright, try this one......Unplug the computer again, open it up, touch the chassis to discharage any static, remove the CMOS battery (Shiny Round thing) for a few minutes....Press the power button once or twice to discharage any residual power....put the battery back in and try booting

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            Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
            « Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 09:47:36 PM »
            When I press the power button once or twice, should I plug it back in?

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              Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
              « Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 09:52:37 PM »
              And also, I believe I took out the CMOS, it was small and shiny and was on my mobo, and am currently leaving it out.

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              « Reply #9 on: May 15, 2009, 09:54:35 PM »
              NO, the point of that is to discharge residual power that may be lingering in the circuits. Just pull the battery out for a few moments and while it is unpluged, press the power button once or twice and then reinstall the battery....THEN, plug the computer back in and try booting

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                Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                « Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 09:56:53 PM »
                Alright I did it again, but unfortunately it didn't work either.

                I appreciate the help though.

                Unfortunately, I believe my computer is dead now :(

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                Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                « Reply #11 on: May 15, 2009, 10:05:37 PM »
                hmmmm, let's see here............what to do

                Are you able to boot off of your Installation Disk?  If your DVD/CD drive is set to boot before the Harddrive, as most are by default, maybe you can boot from that CD.  If the Cd has Recovery Console, select Recovery Console, and type:  chkdsk.exe     and see if it will repair any possible damage to your Harddrive file system......

                anyone else got any ideas :P

                edit: when you first try to power on your computer, hit the DVD drive button and insert the installation disk,                THEN Power Down, and UP again to see if it will boot off the CD

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                Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                « Reply #12 on: May 15, 2009, 10:07:34 PM »
                I think sleep mode's not supposed to kill your computer, hope you get the problem solved  :)

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                  Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                  « Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 10:13:01 PM »
                  Unfortunately BLockHead, I only have the recovery disc, and it did not boot off.

                  :(

                  All the files I'm going to lose... Bah this is frustrating. I had no idea Sleep Mode was an evil villan.

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                  Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                  « Reply #14 on: May 15, 2009, 10:14:58 PM »
                  Unfortunately BLockHead, I only have the recovery disc, and it did not boot off.

                  :(

                  All the files I'm going to lose... Bah this is frustrating. I had no idea Sleep Mode was an evil villan.

                  Personally for me, I think hibernation, where computer saves all current data to ram and then does a normal computer shut down is a better option. I understood microsoft's intention of sleep mode but it's never been used at least on my pc.

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #15 on: May 15, 2009, 10:20:46 PM »
                    Not to sound greedy, but if anyone has anymore suggestions it would be GREATLY appreciated.

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                    « Reply #16 on: May 15, 2009, 10:32:02 PM »
                    OK, Try adding a video card to the computer and by passing the onboard video chip. If there is already a video card, try swaping it out with a different one. Just a suggestion ;D You may be able to recover your data from your harddrive, by using a PATA-to-USB adapter (google for it)I wouldn't spend any money on it though, unless your data is that important....... OR, adding your Harddrive as a slave drive to known working computer...

                    edit: Pata to USB would only work if your drive is Pata (not SATA) ;D
                    « Last Edit: May 16, 2009, 12:54:11 AM by blockHEAD »

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #17 on: May 15, 2009, 10:42:00 PM »
                    I'm wondering if system restore would help? I am assuming monitor's not broken, just window's not giving the right signal so monitor stay blank. Maybe you can try restoring back to the earliest point you got right before you press the button if you can?

                    And I'd probably go use hibernation mode if sleep mode is causing problem .... if that works on your pc.

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #18 on: May 15, 2009, 10:47:10 PM »
                    Yep I tried that, all my USB devices, and Video Cable are un-attached. Just the power cord.

                    And my optical drive is empty as well.

                    you do know that needs to be plugged in right

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #19 on: May 15, 2009, 10:48:47 PM »
                    this is a little late, but make sure the monitor POWER is plugged in as well...

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #20 on: May 15, 2009, 10:50:07 PM »
                    and the monitor cable

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                    « Reply #21 on: May 15, 2009, 11:05:03 PM »
                    and the monitor cable

                    lol, ya I should have caught that one a while back..........I broke the number one rule...."do not discard the obvious"

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                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                    « Reply #22 on: May 16, 2009, 09:56:13 AM »
                    haha ya I was looking at this thread and I am like.... now wonder its not working!

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                      Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                      « Reply #23 on: May 16, 2009, 11:33:34 AM »
                      Nope, I checked for all the obviouses and booted with the video cable in, power cable's for everything else as well, and took out the USB one's.

                      Pretty sure this is internal problem because the HDD light isn't bliinking or showing response.
                      « Last Edit: May 16, 2009, 11:49:15 AM by Gamer11705 »

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                      Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                      « Reply #24 on: May 16, 2009, 12:07:20 PM »
                      It might be the graphics card or monitor but you said the keyboard and stuff has no lights? It might also be the power supply or something.  But try to get a different monitor to test it with

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                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                        « Reply #25 on: May 16, 2009, 12:35:03 PM »
                        Yeah I tried monitor swapping, no dice. I'm pretty sure the PSU is fine because the A/C jack light on the back of my comp  which connects to the PSU still lights up.

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                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                        « Reply #26 on: May 16, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »
                        What kind of coputer is it?
                        Desktop? Laptp?
                        Dell? Gateway? HP? IBM?
                        How old is it?

                        Look at this please:
                        http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,83448.msg553625.html#msg553625


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                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                          « Reply #27 on: May 16, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »
                          My Office Comp is an HP computer desktop.

                          Most of the specs are OEM however:

                          - Intel E4500 2.2Ghz Duo

                          - Nvidia 8600GT (not OEM)

                          - SoundBlaster XtremeGamer (not OEM)

                          - 500GB HDD

                          - DVD-RW Drive

                          - 3GB 667Mhz DDR2 RAM

                          And in response to that link you gave me, the Num Luck/Caps Lock/Scrl Lock lights on my keyboard don't light up.


                          And it's barely one year old.

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                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                          « Reply #28 on: May 16, 2009, 06:58:55 PM »
                          Just because you see the light on doesnt mean the power supply is still good.  Try getting a spare psu or graphics card to switch it out

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                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                          « Reply #29 on: May 16, 2009, 07:53:03 PM »
                          Just because you see the light on doesnt mean the power supply is still good.  Try getting a spare psu or graphics card to switch it out

                          of course. Light on could probably mean PSU still supplying power. But is it getting to your machine?

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                            Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                            « Reply #30 on: May 16, 2009, 08:54:49 PM »
                            I'm pretty sure it's getting to my machine because I hear the fans turning on, and other whirring noises I can't identify.

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                              Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                              « Reply #31 on: May 16, 2009, 09:04:59 PM »
                              Since my computer's keryboard lights aren't turning btw, does that mean the problem is focused around my mobo and not my HDD?

                              Because, I'm starting to think just cut my losses and ditch the mobo itself.

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                              Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                              « Reply #32 on: May 16, 2009, 09:53:59 PM »
                              Still doesnt mean its working

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                                « Reply #33 on: May 23, 2009, 02:49:41 AM »
                                I notice no one asked if you were hearing any beeps when the computer starts up and if so remember the beep sequence and length. Yes if the fans and lights are working it does mean the psu is working it's not like it can only allow enough power to go through to start the lights and fans up they are powered through the motherboard and if it's not getting the correct amount of power it will not start up.

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                                « Reply #34 on: May 23, 2009, 08:39:33 AM »
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                                Yes if the fans and lights are working it does mean the psu is working

                                This is innaccurate at best...it doesn't take much power to run fans and LED's...

                                Borrow a known good PSU of the same or greater wattage and swap it in there.
                                If it runs replace the PSU...do yourself a favor and stay away from the 20 dollar specials.
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                                  « Reply #35 on: May 23, 2009, 08:49:06 AM »
                                  It would be innacurate if his computer was over 10 years old, as I said before yes it doesn't take much power to start up fans and lights but as the switch, fans and lights all go through the motherboard so therefore in order to start up any of them the motherboard needs to be getting correct watt, volts.

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                                  Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                  « Reply #36 on: May 23, 2009, 08:57:49 AM »
                                  It would be innacurate if his computer was over 10 years old, as I said before yes it doesn't take much power to start up fans and lights but as the switch, fans and lights all go through the motherboard so therefore in order to start up any of them the motherboard needs to be getting correct watt, volts.


                                  Fans/LEDs not only don't take a lot of power, but they are far more tolerant of voltage spikes/brownouts. When a fan loses power, it stops turning. If it loses power for a split second- there is no problem. the momentum keeps it going. And a light in the same situation would probably be indiscernable unless somebody was paying very close attention.

                                  the other components- a prime example being RAM- are not so tolerant.

                                  If a RAM chip loses power for a split second, there will be data loss. If that data was instructions for the CPU then the instructions will be corrupted, causing the CPU to fire off a NMI (non maskable interrupt).

                                  "So what" you might say, they cannot even start the PC! what does this have to do with it?

                                  Well, the BIOS is code. it IS loaded into RAM from ROM before executing. If the PSU is sending the POWER_GOOD signal to the motherboard before the power output has evened out, the CPU will start executing while RAM is getting unreliable power. likely corrupting the BIOS code before it even begins to POST. It goes without mention that at this point there is no handler for a NMI, so the Computer just halts. But guess what! the fans and LEDs are still getting power.




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                                    « Reply #37 on: May 23, 2009, 11:43:18 AM »
                                    again yes fans and leds do not take very much power but I seriously find it hard to beleive that a psu could fry out to the point of only provinding say 20-30 watts, more than likely what would happen would be the fuse of the psu blow effectivly cutting off the power.

                                    Anyway if you can see the black screen that pop up at first before actually trying to load vista then it's vista it's notorious for screwing up and not being able to come out of sleep mode sometimes even after restarting. If you have a spare hard drive lying around and a copy of windows try installing both (hdd as primary master or just unhook the other temporarily) and try that.

                                    What is up with this forum with people trying to get back with how clever they think they are?

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                                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                    « Reply #38 on: May 23, 2009, 01:35:06 PM »
                                    when people start babbling about wattages as if a bad PSU simply provides less power or something.

                                    it's not the AMOUNT of power, it's the QUALITY of power that matters. additionally as power supplies age they inexorably have wear and tear on their components that can reduce the quality of the power output, not necessarily the amount.

                                    Regarding the screen, most PCs will display something (a BIOS screen or POSTdiagnostic) before it proceeds to load the Operating System. Since this no longer appears to be the case the issue would not be with the software, but rather with the hardware configuration. a bad CPU,motherboard, or, as covered, power supply can also cause these mystery symptoms. I believe it is pure coincidence that this occured while the PC was in sleep mode.

                                    Since a Power supply is cheaper then either a CPU or Motherboard, it stands to reason that in the interest of saving money that that route be pursued. (of course barring the ability to borrow a known good PSU)
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                                    Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                    « Reply #39 on: May 23, 2009, 11:10:37 PM »
                                    Anyway if you can see the black screen that pop up at first before actually trying to load vista then it's vista it's notorious for screwing up and not being able to come out of sleep mode sometimes even after restarting.
                                    I'm using Vista, and I use sleep mode pretty much all the time, only doing a full shutdown (usually only to apply updates) or restart about once a week. Not a single problem coming out of sleep mode since I started using Vista on this laptop 6 months ago, nor as a tech have I seen any more cases of sleep failures in Vista than I have XP or anything else. This is just another false rumor about Vista.

                                    On a desktop system, sleep mode is not advisable with ANY operating system unless you've got a UPS that will continue to provide power to sleep mode in the event of a power failure. Once the power goes out, the system really will shut off, and this is where you lead into problems with sleep mode sometimes. It has nothing to do with Vista, XP had the exact same problem. You don't run into this problem so much with laptops as long as you have your battery in, which will provide the needed power should your external source of power fail.

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                                    What is up with this forum with people trying to get back with how clever they think they are?

                                    I could say the same about this forum and people who don't know what they're talking about getting angry because people correct them when they are spewing inaccurate or just flat out wrong information. BC is right in his description. He's not trying to get anyone back. Power supplies can be finicky things. It's not uncommon for a power supply to do just what he's described. Accept it, learn from it, move on.

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                                      « Reply #40 on: May 24, 2009, 12:49:48 AM »
                                      when people start babbling about wattages as if a bad PSU simply provides less power or something.

                                      it's not the AMOUNT of power, it's the QUALITY of power that matters. additionally as power supplies age they inexorably have wear and tear on their components that can reduce the quality of the power output, not necessarily the amount.

                                      Regarding the screen, most PCs will display something (a BIOS screen or POSTdiagnostic) before it proceeds to load the Operating System. Since this no longer appears to be the case the issue would not be with the software, but rather with the hardware configuration. a bad CPU,motherboard, or, as covered, power supply can also cause these mystery symptoms. I believe it is pure coincidence that this occured while the PC was in sleep mode.

                                      Since a Power supply is cheaper then either a CPU or Motherboard, it stands to reason that in the interest of saving money that that route be pursued. (of course barring the ability to borrow a known good PSU)

                                       ::)Dude that makes no sense on so many levels... so it's the quality of power and not output of power? unless the guy has miniscule wires connecting from the psu to motherboard or barely connecting or something that's just not going to be the case. Even if what you're explaining could happen which I've never heard of or expereinced myself the chances of it happening are rare but so far I've seen about 30 pages like this saying the exact same thing.  psu's are just a bunch of capacitors voltage regulators, resistors, diodes a transformer and most importantly a fuse, they're not that difficult however there are a bunch of failsafes in place so that if this fails then everything does...The only instance a computer would not boot but allow the fans and lights to come on would be a power supply that cannot supply enough wattage to power the machine so if the computer needs 300 watts and the psu supplies only 200.

                                      Quaxo it's not a rumor just because it never happened to your computer doesn't mean it can't happen, I didn't say it happened all the time just that vista is known to do that which it is.

                                      This place seems like such a bad place with so many people that have no understanding of how electronics work let alone computers and actually think they know something about it???

                                      you guys should accept the fact you know little about these things, move on and maybe you will be able to learn something. I have never read so many non sensical and incorrect answers on any forum so I really have no respect for this place moreso since I notice most threads turn into arguments like this when someone disagrees about the psu which aparently is usually the cause for things.
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                                      Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                      « Reply #41 on: May 24, 2009, 01:06:18 AM »
                                      What is up with this forum with people trying to get back with how clever they think they are?

                                      Your attitude, I expect. It is sub-optimal sometimes. And, judging by your posts, you don't actually know as much as you seem to think you do.


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                                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                        « Reply #42 on: May 24, 2009, 03:16:45 AM »
                                        really? my attitude, man check out pretty much any post here I'm sure you'll find that I have less of an attitude than most here...

                                        I said it wasn't the psu and people start getting back with a bad attitude, plain and simple any psu made within the last at least 12 years have fail-safes in place so that it doesn't partially fail it's either all or nothing. Sure I don't know what I'm doing, this coming from someone who imediately thought that when someone removed the heatsink off the cpu and didn't put it back on properly to find their computer wouldn't start that it was a psu problem....

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                                        « Reply #43 on: May 24, 2009, 03:19:00 AM »
                                        this coming from someone who imediately thought that when someone removed the heatsink off the cpu and didn't put it back on properly to find their computer wouldn't start that it was a psu problem....

                                        Who was that? It wasn't me, if that is what you were suggesting.

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                                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                        « Reply #44 on: May 24, 2009, 05:02:07 AM »
                                        Quaxo it's not a rumor just because it never happened to your computer doesn't mean it can't happen, I didn't say it happened all the time just that vista is known to do that which it is.

                                        I didn't say Vista didn't do that and I'm not saying it hasn't happened to anyone. I'm saying that it's rumor that Vista does it any more than any other OS. Perhaps you should take the time to reread that post.

                                        really? my attitude, man check out pretty much any post here I'm sure you'll find that I have less of an attitude than most here...

                                        Sorry, I'm still looking. Couldn't find those posts you were talking about.

                                        any psu made within the last at least 12 years have fail-safes in place so that it doesn't partially fail it's either all or nothing.

                                        I'll let you know when I stop laughing at this.

                                        you guys should accept the fact you know little about these things, move on and maybe you will be able to learn something. I have never read so many non sensical and incorrect answers on any forum so I really have no respect for this place moreso since I notice most threads turn into arguments like this when someone disagrees about the psu which aparently is usually the cause for things.

                                        I wouldn't call it arguing. Different people will have different opinions about a solution, and there's nothing wrong with expressing why you might think the person is wrong. But just because their opinion differs from yours doesn't mean you need to have a conniption fit.

                                        If you have no respect for this place and don't like it so much, is there a reason you keep coming back? Need help finding the door or just have nothing better to do than drag this way off-topic with your blathering.

                                        Gamer11705, sorry your thread has been hijacked. Getting back on track now, BC's course of action seems the most prudent at this point. If you can try a different power supply and see if you get the same result, we can at least confirm or eliminate that as a possibility.

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                                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                        « Reply #45 on: May 24, 2009, 09:13:03 AM »
                                        In conclusion, this was definitely entertaining, and an extra bonus was that Gamer11705 will, if he can be bothered to wade through the corrections and subsequent irrelevant rebuttals containing nothing of value to find a few tidbits of useful info, much better.

                                        At thing point I'm inclined to declare "troll".

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                                        Dude that makes no sense on so many levels... so it's the quality of power and not output of power?

                                        I never meant that. A proper correction would be that the amount of power won't matter if the quality is crap.

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                                        unless the guy has miniscule wires connecting from the psu to motherboard or barely connecting or something that's just not going to be the case.
                                        Not sure what wire size has to do with anything. I'm not talking about RF interference with the power input but rather fluctuations caused by failed components. As an example, my old PC still works fine, but the power supply has issues. This has caused bad sectors and random freezing. I know it's the power supply, because I can swap in my other PCs power supply and it can run for days without showing the symptoms. This is something called "experience". I changed nothing but the PSU, and the problems dissapeared! Why, if there was a problem with the old PSU then it shouldn't have worked at all, but it did.
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                                        Even if what you're explaining could happen which I've never heard of or expereinced myself the chances of it happening are rare but so far I've seen about 30 pages like this saying the exact same thing.  psu's are just a bunch of capacitors voltage regulators, resistors, diodes a transformer and most importantly a fuse, they're not that difficult however there are a bunch of failsafes in place so that if this fails then everything does...
                                        yes. PSU's consist of a number of components. Components can fail, or have problems. for example, capacitors can acquire wear and tear, and their capacitance can be affected. One possible result might be that the POWER_GOOD signal is sent out to early; or perhaps a Rail is given too much amperage for it's load.


                                        regarding the POWER_GOOD signal:

                                        From: "Upgrading and Repairing PCs, 15th Edition", I'm sure you'll dispute it anyway.

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                                        In addition to supplying electrical power to run the system, the power supply also ensures that the system does not run unless the voltages supplied are sufficient to operate the system properly. In other words, the power supply actually prevents the computer from starting up or operating until all the power supply voltages are within the proper ranges.

                                        The power supply completes internal checks and tests before allowing the system to start. If the tests are successful, the power supply sends a special signal to the motherboard, called Power_Good. This signal must be continuously present for the system to run. Therefore, when the AC voltage dips and the power supply can't maintain outputs within regulation tolerance, the Power_Good signal is withdrawn (goes low) and forces the system to reset. The system will not restart until the Power_Good signal returns.

                                        The Power_Good signal (sometimes called Power_OK or PWR_OK) is a +5V (nominal) active high signal (with a variation from +2.4V through +6.0V generally being considered acceptable) that is supplied to the motherboard when the power supply has passed its internal self tests and the output voltages have stabilized. This typically takes place anywhere from 100ms to 500ms (0.1–0.5 seconds) after you turn on the power supply switch. The power supply then sends the Power_Good signal to the motherboard, where the processor timer chip that controls the reset line to the processor receives it.

                                        In the absence of Power_Good, the timer chip holds the reset line on the processor, which prevents the system from running under bad or unstable power conditions. When the timer chip receives the Power_Good signal, it releases the reset and the processor begins executing whatever code is at address FFFF:0000 (usually the ROM BIOS).

                                        If the power supply can't maintain proper outputs (such as when a brownout occurs), the Power_Good signal is withdrawn and the processor is automatically reset. When the power output returns to its proper levels, the power supply regenerates the Power_Good signal and the system again begins operation (as if you had just powered on). By withdrawing Power_Good before the output voltages fall out of regulation, the system never sees the bad power because it is stopped quickly (reset) rather than being allowed to operate using unstable or improper power levels, which can cause memory parity errors and other problems.


                                        In short? if the circuitry controlling POWER_GOOD is either damaged or composed of cheap components (or simply neglected, some power supplies simply tie the +5 rail to the POWER_GOOD and call it a day) then the delivered currents can easily be out of range.


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                                        The only instance a computer would not boot but allow the fans and lights to come on would be a power supply that cannot supply enough wattage to power the machine so if the computer needs 300 watts and the psu supplies only 200.

                                        I read this as "I don't understand the concept behind the POWER_GOOD signal".




                                        woops. I declared troll and then went so far as to respond. oh well.

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                                        I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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                                        Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                        « Reply #46 on: May 24, 2009, 06:27:51 PM »
                                         this thread certainly turned took an alternate route ::)

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                                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                          « Reply #47 on: May 24, 2009, 06:29:00 PM »
                                          Agreed, Block.
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                                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                          « Reply #48 on: May 24, 2009, 06:40:06 PM »
                                          so maybe we get back on route LOL  ;D

                                          Who took the detour  >:(

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                                          Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                          « Reply #49 on: May 24, 2009, 06:53:56 PM »

                                          Who took the detour  >:(

                                          heh, not sure, but I believe the detour began when ghaldos and BC_programmer started duking is out  :D

                                          It happens, personally I think occasional tangents make forums more interesting

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                                            Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                            « Reply #50 on: May 31, 2009, 06:16:20 PM »
                                            Omigosh what happened to the thread lol.

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                                              Re: Does Sleep Mode for Vista result in HDD/Mobo failure?
                                              « Reply #51 on: May 31, 2009, 06:17:38 PM »
                                              I would like to thank all the replies to this thread, but thank's to Blockhead's suggestion of just simply removing and putting back the CMOS fixed it up nice and dandy. :)