thanks again and sorry i messed up the reply. Both browsers have the same error message referring to a failed connection as I have tried firefox as well. The connection is apparent in every other way but the browser will not display the internet. I have tried disabling the security, re-installing new anti-virus software, checking add-ons, etc, etc. I can obviously do a clean re-install of vista and hope that works but wondered if there was a known fix or if any one else had encountered this problem.