put password before the welcome screen

[BC_Programmer]

either way someone could hack into your computer just as easily

umm... No.

So If I leave a password of my account it's "just as easy" as if I leave one on?

[james202428]

if a password screen pops up before logon why does it matter if the hacker knows the password he's going to get in I never heard of somebody being able to get into an account without a using a password program downloaded in the guest account if he  has passwords on all of his accounts then that's bassicly all you can do for sucurity

[BC_Programmer]

Oh of course. I'm forgetting the whole "Let a hacker use your PC" event.

[james202428]

All he's bassicly asking for is how he could be the only one to use the computer just go into control panel get rid of the guest account put in a good password and your done put a bios if you want for more sucurity but i think that will just make the person more determined to wanna try to get in

[Geek-9pm]

A bios password can be put in the Flash memory.Once set, you have to destroy the BIOS chip to  It can in such a way that you would have destroy the chip p to bypass it.

Booth Intel and Apple are working on this.But it is not a new idea. You could do that twenty years ago. Or was i it forty years ago.  

[BC_Programmer]

All he's bassicly asking for is how he could be the only one to use the computer just go into control panel get rid of the guest account put in a good password and your done put a bios if you want for more sucurity but i think that will just make the person more determined to wanna try to get in

Ahh yes, much in the same way burglars are so damned determined to  get into the house with the moat full of evil plankton. you don't even know they have you, until it's too late, they rip huge chunks of flesh off your body, some the size of a pinhead. a tortuous death.

A bios password can be put in the Flash memory.Once set, you have to destroy the BIOS chip to  It can in such a way that you would have destroy the chip p to bypass it.

Booth Intel and Apple are working on this.But it is not a new idea. You could do that twenty years ago. Or was i it forty years ago.  

It was neither 20 or 40 years ago, because itr doesn't exist.

At least, not unless you can provide a source.

[Geek-9pm]

Ahh yes, much in the same way burglars are so damned determined to  get into the house with the moat full of evil plankton. you don't even know they have you, until it's too late, they rip huge chunks of flesh off your body, some the size of a pinhead. a tortuous death.

It was neither 20 or 40 years ago, because itr doesn't exist.

At least, not unless you can provide a source.

No  source needed. This is done in the industry, but it is not widely used so as to become a popular item. A t Flash memory can be kinds or even hybrid. One that is "fused" one time and the other that can be programmed again. We used to call this a PROM it it was one time only, or EPROM if you could do it again and EEPROM if it was very easy to do. and I used to do this stuff about 30 years ago. It is now called embedded programming. We used to call it just programming. I wrote some of my won loaders and BIOS stuff for the primitive systems we used years ago. Sorry about my bad spelling, At seventy years of age I can barely see the screen.


http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=oR5&resnum=0&q=custom+EPROM+programming&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=aZzOSuDFGYvstAOg64DKBQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1#
Edit :The term "Flash" is now only  for a new type of EEPROM that has high speed write and erase cycles.  Anyway, you can make a BUIS out of PROM, if you wantr to.

[daryllsilorio]

hehehe

[JJ 3000]

What would be the point in doing that? If you were to manufacture a PROM with the password burned into the chip then the end user could not create a unique password that only he knows. It would defeat the whole purpose of using a password in the first place.

[BC_Programmer]

What would be the point in doing that? If you were to manufacture a PROM with the password burned into the chip then the end user could not create a unique password that only he knows. It would defeat the whole purpose of using a password in the first place.

yeah... it's not "flash" RAM in the current sense of the term.

And Since ALL PC Bios's up to the mid 486-era were unchangable ROM chips you couldn't change anything on them.

I guess the suggestion is that you mail order a special chip for your password?

And like jj says here... the idea of a password is to be user-specific. if it's explained in the manual it's a waste of time. We're talking about passwords here, not the ROM BIOS, or the type of chip used to store it. passwords are stored in NVRAM along with the other configuration information, not on the ROM chip, so discussion of the ROM chip is irrelevant.

"but that makes it easy to wipe, just remove the battery"! you say.

Not really. it IS possible to get case locks or alarms that go off if the case is opened. The fact is denying physical access to something has been practiced far longer then for IT, and is a number of times better then simply putting on a password and forgetting about it.

Heck if somebody was really that hard-up on security they may as well simply not connect to the internet and make sure the entire thing is disassembled when not being used, and locked into different lockers with different keys, and the locks are changed daily. This will protect people from real threats as well as the imagined ones. the latter being more prevalent and the former being more or less imagined.

[daryllsilorio]

yeah your right.. its better to create one account and put password.. but still its not safe coz i know that there's still i way to hack a login password.. and i my self tried it.. the only thing left in my head is to use the bios password.. I don't know if there's a program that can remove a bios password, only two things i know to remove password in bios and that by removing the cmos battery and changing the jumper..

[james202428]

You know of a way to get into a password protected computer without using the guest account anywho try a hidden account so they need a name and password i don't think you can bypass the name

Ok i'm confused know i want on youtube to look at some things anywho i ran into a problem

look at this
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://kndritz.com/images/safe_mode.jpg&imgrefurl=http://kndritz.com/safemode.html&usg=__WOUvCD6hdWCaz9nFdWWl5MqLR9Q=&h=375&w=500&sz=23&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=JyESM8IADIX6lM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwidows%2Bxp%2Bsafemode%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

ok you see the enable boot logging well i did that and there was a guest account but  in safe mode and normal mode there wasn't i thought i deleted it why is it there when i use boot logging

i would wish to get rid of my guest account
and what is a net user in command promted is there anyway to disable it it sounds like that makes a guest account



i'm surprised they make it sound hack proof without a password recovery disk here's a qoute

( If you do not have a reset disk or cannot log on as an administrator, unfortunately, you may have to reinstall Windows XP and all other programs that were installed on the computer before you can use the computer again. This is for security.  Without these safeguards, anyone could reset a password to anyone else's computer and gain access to private information.)


It sounds like they know there's a way but they won't tell it to you are admit it. but they don't see, to wanna to say there's not a way i'm not sure if there's a way because i haven't seen anybody do it well alot of people on youtube but you can't be sure on what you see on there.

I think there are ways to do it i wish i could see how a proffesional hacker has his computer set up for sucerity against other hackers


this is what windows has to say about administrators passwords below


If you forget your Windows password or if your password expires, you must reset your password before you can log on to your computer. This article contains two methods that you can try to reset your password so that you can log on to your computer again. These steps only work if you have previously created a password reset disk for the computer, or if you can log on as an administrator to assign a new password to your account.

If you do not have a reset disk or cannot log on as an administrator, unfortunately, you may have to reinstall Windows XP and all other programs that were installed on the computer before you can use the computer again. This is for security. Without these safeguards, anyone could reset a password to anyone else's computer and gain access to private information.

This article is intended for a beginning to intermediate computer user.

You may find it easier to follow the steps if you print this article first.
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Reset forgotten or expired password
If you forget your password or if your password expires, there are two methods that you can use to log on to create a new password. One method is to use a password reset disk, if you have created one. By using the password reset disk, you can recover your user account and your personalized computer settings. Another method is to log on using the administrator account to delete the forgotten password and then to create a new password.

If you have a password reset disk, go to method 1. If you do not have a reset disk, go to method 2. The instructions guide you through each step and help you verify that the problem is resolved.

Note If you are using Windows XP Home Edition, you may want to try the steps in the following article before you try the steps in this article:
894900  (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894900/ ) Forgotten your Windows XP Home Edition password? - Part 1: Introduction
Method 1: Use a password reset disk
To log on to the computer by using a password reset disk, follow these steps. If your computer is or was a member of a domain, go to the "Windows XP Professional in a domain" section and follow those steps.
Windows XP Home Edition or Windows XP Professional

   1. Restart the computer.
   2. On the Windows XP logon screen, click the user name that you want to use, and then press ENTER.

      Note You receive the following error message:
      Did you forget your password? You can click the "?" button to see your password hint. Or you can use your password reset disk. Please type your password again. Be sure to use the correct uppercase and lowercase letters.
   3. Click Use your password reset disk. The Password Reset Wizard starts. The Password Reset Wizard enables you to create a new password for your user account.
   4. In the Password Reset Wizard dialog box, click Next.
   5. Insert the password reset disc into the CD drive, and then click Next.
   6. Type a new password in the Type a new password box, and then type the password again in the Type the password again to confirm box.
   7. In the Type a new password hint box, type a hint for the password, and then click Next.
   8. Click Finish, and then try to log on to Windows XP again.

If you were able to reset your password and are now able to log on successfully, you have resolved the issue, and you are finished. If you are still unable to log on, try method 2.
Windows XP Professional in a domain
To log on to a computer by using a password reset disk, when that computer is a member of a domain, or was disconnected from a domain, follow these steps:

   1. Restart the computer.
   2. In the Welcome to Windows dialog box, press CTRL+ALT+DELETE.
   3. In the Log On to Windows dialog box, type an incorrect password in the Password box, and then click OK.
   4. In the Logon Failed dialog box, click Reset. The Password Reset Wizard starts. You can use the Password Reset Wizard to create a new password for your local account.
   5. On the Welcome to the Password Reset Wizard page, click Next.
   6. Insert the password reset disc into the CD drive, and then click Next.
   7. Type a new password in the Type a new password box, and then type the password again in the Type the password again to confirm box.
   8. In the Type a new password hint box, type a hint for the password, and then click Next.
   9. Click Finish, and then try to log on to Windows XP again.

If you were able to reset your password and are now able to log on successfully, you have resolved the issue, and you are finished. If you are still unable to log on, try method 2.
Method 2: Log on as an administrator to reset the password
If you did not create a password reset disk, you may be able to log on as an administrator to reset a forgotten or expired password. The steps to do this differ if the computer is a stand-alone computer or a member of a workgroup of two or more, or a member of a domain. Select the appropriate set of steps from the following to try to log on as the administrator to reset the password.
Windows XP Home Edition or Windows XP Professional
To log on to a computer as the administrator to reset a password, try the following steps.

   1. Log on as an administrator.
         1. Restart the computer.
         2. Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE two times, and then type the name of the administrator user account.
         3. In the Password box, type the administrator password, and then click OK.

            Note If the administrator password is set to a blank password, do not type a password before you click OK.
   2. Reset the password.
         1. Click Start, and then click Run.
         2. Type control userpasswords2, and then click OK.
         3. On the Users tab, click the name of the user account that you want to reset the password for, and then click Reset Password.
         4. Type a new password in the New password box, and then type the password again in the Confirm new password box, and then click OK.
         5. Restart the computer, and then try to log on to Windows XP again.

If you can log on as an administrator to reset your password and you can now log on successfully, you have resolved the issue, and you are finished. If you are still unable to log on, go to the "Next Steps" section.
Windows XP Home Edition or Windows XP Professional in a workgroup
To log on to a computer as the administrator to reset a password, when that computer is in a workgroup of more than one member, follow these steps:

   1. Log on as an administrator.
         1. Restart the computer, and then press the F8 key during startup until the Windows Advanced Options menu appears.
         2. On the Windows Advanced Options menu, use the arrow keys to select Safe Mode, and then press ENTER.
         3. Select Microsoft Windows XP edition, and then press ENTER.

            Note In this step, edition represents the correct Windows edition.
         4. On the To begin, click your user name screen, click Administrator, and then type the administrator password.
         5. Press ENTER, and then click Yes.
   2. Reset the password.
         1. Click Start and then click Run.
         2. Type control userpasswords2, and then click OK.
         3. Click the name of the user account that you want to reset the password for.
         4. Click Change the Password, and then type a new password.

            Note If you do not want to use a password, click Remove password, and then continue to step "e."
         5. Click Change Password.
         6. Restart the computer, and then try to log on to Windows XP again.

If you can log on as an administrator to reset your password and can now log on successfully, you have resolved the issue, and you are finished. If you are still unable to log on, go to the "Next Steps" section.
Windows XP Professional in a domain
To log on to a computer as the administrator to reset a password, when that computer is a member of a domain, follow these steps:

   1. Log on as an administrator.
         1. In the Welcome to Windows dialog box, press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, and then type the name of the administrator user account.
         2. In the Password box, type the administrator password, and then click OK.

            Note If the administrator password is set to a blank password, do not type a password before you click OK.
   2. Reset the password.
         1. Click Start and then click Run.
         2. Type compmgmt.msc , and then click OK.
         3. In the Computer Management (Local) dialog box, expand Local Users and Groups.
         4. Click the Users folder, and then right-click the user account that you want to reset the password for.
         5. Click Set Password, and then click Proceed.
         6. Type a new password in the New password box, type the password again in the Confirm password box, and then click OK two times.
         7. Restart the computer, and then try to log on to Windows XP again.