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Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2009, 05:42:44 PM »
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I would never want to be in a position where I would have to defend Microsoft's business practices

Yet you have profited nicely from them year after year...

Hypocrite.
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    Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
    « Reply #46 on: November 10, 2009, 05:57:04 PM »
    Quantos: you made it sound Shell was a Monopoly or something.

    Shell isn't a Monopoly, the Oil Industry is.

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    Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
    « Reply #47 on: November 10, 2009, 05:58:36 PM »
    Quantos: you made it sound Shell was a Monopoly or something.

    Shell isn't a Monopoly, the Oil Industry is.

    That's not even close to what I inferred.  They are all corporations and really don't give carp if we live or die.
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #48 on: November 10, 2009, 06:02:56 PM »
      The best companies to BoyCott are Monopolies, the next places would be the Dominant ones like McDonalds, I don't support them by the way.  Cheap shoe string fries, what a joke.

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #49 on: November 10, 2009, 06:05:45 PM »
      Yet you have profited nicely from them year after year...

      Hypocrite.
      Yes, I am so sorry...

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #50 on: November 10, 2009, 06:09:28 PM »
      hmm, cookie monster.


      you know what eats cookies?


      Possums! And giant earthworms.
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #51 on: November 10, 2009, 06:11:01 PM »
      hmm, cookie monster.


      you know what eats cookies?


      Possums! And giant earthworms.

      BC if you turn the medication bottle right side up, it no longer says 9 pills per hour.
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #52 on: November 15, 2009, 09:08:07 AM »
      Quantos: you made it sound Shell was a Monopoly or something.

      Shell isn't a Monopoly, the Oil Industry is.

      What rock did you climb out from under?

      An industry can't be a monopoly other wise the food industry, clothing industry, and any other industry would be a monopoly.

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #53 on: November 15, 2009, 09:09:02 AM »
      What rock did you climb out from under?

      An industry can't be a monopoly other wise the food industry, clothing industry, and any other industry would be a monopoly.



      heh, true, it's the industry that gets monopolized.
      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #54 on: November 15, 2009, 09:28:09 AM »
      Lol. I just remembered seeing someone's signature, saying how they didn't like Monopoly being the only board game of its type...or something.
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #55 on: November 16, 2009, 08:36:21 AM »
      Definition of monopoly from dictionary.com.

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      the market condition that exists when there is only one seller.

      Very few companies qualify for this definition.  Drug companies with a new drug qualify and some companies like deBeers comes close.  MS doesn't qualify.

      Few people want to admit it but MS has a big market share because it has better products.  It hasn't really created a lot of new products but it has improved on many other products already on the market.  DOS was an improvement on QDOS.

      Unix has been around since the 60's.  Apple has been around for years.  Along with a lot of other operating systems (anybody even heard of DEC's RSX-11M?).  With all of it's flaws Windows is easier and cheaper for most people to use.

      Lotus owned the spread sheet market for years, then IBM bought the company and it stagnated, and Excel grew better and better.

      Wordperfect owned the wordprocessor market then it went through several ownership and management changes and it stagnated and Word got better and better.

      MS is dominate but it isn't a monopoly.

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #56 on: November 16, 2009, 08:47:46 AM »
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      I think it's wrong that only one company makes the game Monopoly.
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #57 on: November 16, 2009, 10:41:04 AM »
      I agree with that rthompson, what people don't realize about either dominant nor monopoly companies is that they are only in that position because consumers let them. the very same people who write about Microsofts "unfair business practices" and "monopoly" are often ironically using Microsoft Word on a MS system.

      the thing is- they'll complain about bugs and issues with windows and MS products, and yet when they encounter a bug in an alternative program, they pretty much shrug it off.

      They also have the best Windows Development environment in the form of Visual Studio; although that's been true for years.

      Microsoft has moved the tech industry forward more then anybody can guess.

      Take Java, for example; it uses bytecode that runs on any VM. Excellent, that gives portability.

      But- how many people know that Microsoft C for DOS can compile to "P-code" which is a bytecode that runs on a P-code VM? And this was in the late eighties.

      The very concept of "shared code" came into realization only with Microsoft's help; other companies managed to make messy "overlays" and other strange concepts, but when MS made windows it was a very modular design, much different from competing desktop systems. It was far easier to program in, since it was well documented and had a very comprehensive SDK.

      Do people forget this? It doesn't matter how great your operating system is if it doesn't have any programs to run. Microsoft knew this, and made sure to try to make programming windows applications as easy as possible, a goal they continue to pursue- Visual Basic makes it nearly effortless to make trivial applications, and takes a lot of the messy GUI code out of the picture. with the introduction of the .NET framework, vast swathes of code that would otherwise be duplicated by countless programmers is available in one place. Sure, eve I complain about the size of the .NET framework; but it is installed ONCE; whereas, programs that duplicate code that would be in the framework might add up to three or even four times the size of the .NET framework in duplicate code. There is no doubt that  they continue to strive for a Operating System that is not only easier to use, but also easier to program for, and the latter breeds the former in the way of program consistency. Anybody ever consider that the File,Edit,View,Help, etc standard menus, and the standard shortcut keys for common operation, were hardly used until MS made it part of the logo requirements?


      My biggest beef is that people complain that MS is "stealing" from apple.

      This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard; the original complaints of this nature originated with windows 95 and System 7, the recycle bin was errily similar to the trash.


      So what? Who cares? they run on different freaking platforms, for god's sake, and there is no way that MS copied any code whatsoever from the Mac OS... Oh! Of course, it was the "idea" that was stolen.

      Here's the problem. Software patents are one of the stupidest things ever thought up by a sentient being. Copyrights on the source code itself are something I think is good- but to make it impossible for somebody to build, from scratch, a similar system to yours on their own without prior permission is ludicrous, since it puts a stop to progress.

       Can you imagine if Apple had WON that lawsuit? Windows would be nothing like it is today, and would look awful. No recycle bin- god knows what alternative would crop up- heck, we wouldn't even have Control-C,Control-V, and Control-X, nope, we'd have to deal with Control-Shift-Insert,Shift-Insert and Shift-Delete... and of course, we wouldn't even have windows to begin with, remember, windows are square. Dear gawd! windows on the Mac OS are square too. COPIERS! so of course MS would have had to choose some other shape for their windows. and god forbid they include controls on those windows that perform window management functions, since that's copying Apple too.

      the very fact is, IMO it's a inalienable right to all creative minds that they be allowed to think about the uses of these "ideas" and improve upon them.


      You know what happened when MS "copied" menus the first time?

      they improved them. the original Apple menus had no concept of a "submenu"- that is, only one drop-down was possible. this was possible in windows. So Apple added it to System 7.

      Anybody wonder if this would have EVER been added if MS didn't analyze the idea Apple had and improve upon it's features? Why is this copying?


      To forbid copying of ideas is to support the monopolization of them. And we've already thoroughly discussed the problem with monopolies.


      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #58 on: November 16, 2009, 12:24:53 PM »
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      Here's the problem. Software patents are one of the stupidest things ever thought up by a sentient being. Copyrights on the source code itself are something I think is good- but to make it impossible for somebody to build, from scratch, a similar system to yours on their own without prior permission is ludicrous, since it puts a stop to progress.
      Exactly right! :)
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      Re: Microsoft violated the Constitution?
      « Reply #59 on: November 16, 2009, 12:59:37 PM »
      To forbid copying of ideas is to support the monopolization of them. And we've already thoroughly discussed the problem with monopolies.

      Just try to imagine where we would be today if no one was allowed to improve the idea of the first wheel and we had to stick to the original until the inventory could come up with a better one. Or try finding one of the first TV's and see how it looks then stop and think that you might still be watching one of those had no one been allowed to improve upon the idea.

      I think it is crazy when talk about MS and say they stole something yet don't talk about every other company that has taken some one else idea and improved it. Whether it is a tangible item or computer software everything starts out as an idea.

       
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