programming through C

[sudhack420]

IN UR ISSUES .... i read abt the basic req to b an hacker ..... hw do iknow tht i have a good level in programmin

[Salmon Trout]

If you program like you spell, you have a long way to go.

[BC_Programmer]

If you program like you spell, you have a long way to go.

haha, I was thinking the exact same thing!

I have no idea what the question is.

[sudhack420]

i jst wanted to know wht level of programming do i need ... to be an hacker ..... imean r der any book's......

[Salmon Trout]

This forum takes a dim view of hacking. The rules that you agreed to when you joined, which you should have read, state that.

Your question is like asking, in an ordinary automobile forum, "What level of mechanical knowledge do I need to be a car thief?", or maybe "How much knowledge of glass do I need to go around smashing windows?" and prompts a similar observation to the one I made earlier, namely that if you have to ask, that implies (1) that you ain't got the required level of knowledge and experience, and also (2) that you have not got much idea of how to get those things.

Put simply, to be a successful hacker, you need a very extensive knowledge not merely of programming but also of networking, OS design, computer and network security, and a detailed knowledge of how computer systems work in general. Often hackers are very bright computer science students. Others are sys admins or security specialists who have gone bad. I would add to the above qualities a defective moral sense. Hackers are criminals.

[Salmon Trout]

Hacking, if you mean the unauthorised accessing of, and interference with, compouter systems that belong to other people or organisations, is wrong.  This forum takes a dim view of hacking. The rules that you agreed to when you joined, which you should have read, state that.

Your question is like asking, in an ordinary automobile forum, "What level of mechanical knowledge do I need to be a car thief?", or maybe "How much knowledge of glass do I need to go around smashing windows?" and prompts a similar observation to the one I made earlier, namely that if you have to ask, that implies (1) that you ain't got the required level of knowledge and experience, and also (2) that you have not got much idea of how to get those things.

Put simply, to be a successful hacker, you need a very extensive knowledge not merely of programming but also of networking, OS design, computer and network security, and a detailed knowledge of how computer systems work in general. Often hackers are very bright computer science students. Others are sys admins or security specialists who have gone bad. I would add to the above qualities a defective moral sense. Hackers are criminals.

[sudhack420]

<<salmon trout>>
                                 i know d term's but if u have the knowledge hw hacking is done it's nt compulsory ull go d wrng way..... thanx fr ur reply......i had no idea abt hacking ......so i wnted to knw ... tht's it...

[TheUnixGuy]

Hello,

Hacking is not something that you jump into just because its 'kewl'. I know many Indian students who think its just that. Its essential to have extensive knowledge of Networking, Programming and Scripting and extensive knowledge of working of an OS, preferably built on the linux kernel before going into it. Its not something that you can start reading a book and by the time you finish that book, you are a professional hacker.

Hackers are criminals.

In your post, you mention that hackers are bright computer science students or sysadmins who have 'gone bad'. Hacking is some of finding loopholes which helps develop better and safer software. I believe knowledge of hacking is essential to have a secure internet. To respect the national and international law is equally essential. Hackers are the people who 'run' the internet.


NOTE: Please use readable and comprehensible English.

[Salmon Trout]

In your post, you mention that hackers are bright computer science students or sysadmins who have 'gone bad'. I believe knowledge of hacking is essential to have a secure internet. To respect the national and international law is equally essential.

I agree, but with the following caveats: knowledge of hacking is one thing, carrying out hacking is another. Knowledge of something is not identical with its practice. You might as well say a judge or lawyer needs to be a rapist before he or she can sentence, prosecute or defend  a sex offender.

The OP asked what level of knowledge is required to "b an hacker" (I presume he meant "be a hacker"). I took this to mean that he or she actuyally wanted to do hacking.

Hackers are the people who 'run' the internet.

You surprise me. I though that Al Gore ran it. Do they sit in a big control room, like the one at NASA headquarters?

Sounds like you, (and maybe me) are confusing various different meanings of the word 'hacker' - (1) A person who is skilled and knowledgeable in the area of computing and who may work unpaid and alone or in an informal setting (2) A person who breaks into computer systems and/or networks or who for various reasons including obssession, emotional satisfaction, vanity, curiosity, financial gain, criminal objectives such as fraud, theft, espionage etc. (3) A person who can quickly throw together program or script code which may be inelegant or inefficient but which gets the job done.

In my remarks to the OP I was assuming that he was using meaning (2)...

[TheUnixGuy]

I refer to your meanings which aren't illegal. For your meaning No 2 there's a more specific word 'Cracker'.
(s)He might want to learn hacking to develop more sophisticated security in turn? You might call my post impractical but thats the other side of what you think of hacking.

[Salmon Trout]

I refer to your meanings which aren't illegal. For your meaning No 2 there's a more specific word 'Cracker'.

You are telling me what you think the word means, and what you want it to mean. The meaning is not fixed. The word "hacker" is widely used to signify a computer criminal. And other things.

    * Hacker (computing), a contentious term used for several types of person:
          o Hacker (computer security) or cracker, who accesses a computer system by circumventing its security system
          o Hacker (programmer subculture), who shares an anti-authoritarian approach to software development
             now associated with the free software movement
          o Hacker (hobbyist), who makes innovative customizations or combinations of retail electronic and computer equipment

[TheUnixGuy]

The meaning is not fixed.

Exactly what I'm trying to say. Its on your discretion whether you become a hacker who creates problems or the hacker who works on developing better security systems. Logically there's a 50:50 between the two though the truth based on statistics and other records might be different (and maybe more important in this case, but this being a forum its essential to show both sides of it).

[Salmon Trout]

The OP asked what level of knowledge is required to "b an hacker" (I presume he meant "be a hacker"). I took this to mean that he or she actuyally wanted to do hacking.

There is a name for the law that states that, if you get snarky about someone's grammar or spelling, your post will inevitably contain an error...

[BC_Programmer]

Exactly what I'm trying to say. Its on your discretion whether you become a hacker who creates problems or the hacker who works on developing better security systems.

Realistically speaking, hackers that "work on developing better security" are few and far between.

And also, they call themselves "pen testers" and they get paid by companies to do penetration(heh) testing of their networks.

Logically there's a 50:50 between the two though the truth based on statistics and other records might be different (and maybe more important in this case, but this being a forum its essential to show both sides of it).

Except for the case where a company is fully aware of what your doing and hires you for the express purpose of penetration testing, it's still illegal to hack into their systems regardless of your intentions. Many "hackers" have done so and informed the companies concerned and been threatened with legal action, and the companies are within their rights to prosecute.

[the_mad_joker]

     (|There Is a Thing called "Ethical Hacking"

In India This Course Is very Famous And Most Of computer Engineers do this

I am Gonna do this after 2 years

[Carbon Dudeoxide]

Took me three tries to read your second line, Joker.

Why Do You Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Word?

[the_mad_joker]

Cant Help   

I 've Got A Habit of It

[Salmon Trout]

Cant Help   

I 've Got A Habit of It

Well, maybe it's time you gave it up, at least on here. Along with various other unfortunate little "habits" you seem to have, it makes you come across like a dumb cheeky trolling kid, which I am sure you would wish to avoid, not least because it makes people less willing to answer your questions.

[BC_Programmer]

There Is a Thing called "Ethical Hacking"

No there isn't. Is there something called ethical burglary or ethical theft? No. "hacking" has come to mean breaking into computer systems without permission. It's burglarly. Penetration testing is not "ethical hacking", because it's done by professional Programmers and security experts; maybe they <used> to be hackers, but now they are professionals. a hacker is by definition unskilled (trust me, I've seen threads in "professional" hacker forums where people spend pages trying to simply attach a picture).

Penetration testing, on the other hand, is done with the permission of the owner of the system; this is equivalent to having a burglary test done on your house.