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Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 01:32:49 AM »
This is getting off topic, but firstly, 142 degrees Fahrenheit is not 51 degrees in modern(proper) temperature units.
(142 - 32) * (5/9)=
(°F  -  32)  x  5/9 = 61

so yeah, he was ten degrees off.  Oh no.



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Secondly, weird,old and confusing everybody?. Wrong again !. overthehill

It's certainly weird. I mean, Celsius 0 degrees is freezing point. 100 degrees is boiling point. with fahrenheit, you have the 0 temperate being the temperature of a brine of ice, water, and ammonium chloride. 100 degrees was quite literally just the temperature it stabilized at when the thermometer was placed in a persons mouth or armpit. Sort of, random decisions, the two measurements aren't even really related.

As for confusing people, for me I always end up converting it to celsius to get an idea of what the temperature would "feel" like. More on-topic though it's entirely silly to measure computer temperatures in fahrenheit- since almost all tools for that purpose show the temperatures in celsius, there had to have been conversions to give us the fahrenheit temperatures, which I believe is the basis for Salmon Trout noting that it caused confusion. Not purely on the basis that the scale is incorrect or "weird" but more that it seems to have been decided to give us the fahrenheit converted value that was no doubt presented in celsius using the temp tool.
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Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 02:46:04 AM »
142 degrees Fahrenheit is not 51 degrees in modern(proper) temperature units.

No, indeed they are not. That will teach me to get on my high horse! To convert from ancient F to modern C multiply subtract 32 and then multiply by 5 / 9. If I had done this (which I can do in my head) instead of just using Google Calculate and reading the answer wrongly, I would not be in the embarrassing position I am now in.


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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 05:34:29 PM »
    And, of course, nobody else matters!  ;)
    I don't see any indication that he thinks nobody else matters, but you do realize this is a United States based website, so many users will be from the United States.

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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #18 on: January 03, 2011, 11:18:44 PM »
    I don't see any indication that he thinks nobody else matters, but you do realize this is a United States based website, so many users will be from the United States.

    Where a website is based is unrelated to the location of it's visitors. I note however that you specifically say "many users" as if having a single US user somehow means everybody should now use fahrenheit and Miles per hour. That's sort of silly. ST's main point was that all temp measuring programs present the temperatures in celsius So in order for them to provide the F measure, they would have had to convert, And given the rather unlivable temperature they've noted for room temperature it's should hardly be surprising to consider the possibility that mistakes were made during the conversion, a possibility that ST accidentally highlighted by making one himself :P. His point was quite clear, it confuses nearly everybody else who doesn't use the Fahrenheit scale every day. (I have to personally convert to celsius to get anything but a general idea of what the temperature is) Basically your argument (to a post that ends with a winky face denoting a mild tone of nonseriousness anyways) is that "well, there are sure to be americans on this site (duh) so we should all use the U.S scales for everything. That is just plain silly.

    Lastly, if we look closely at his post, we may notice the winking emoticon.
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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 06:39:35 PM »
    In electronics, the cooler the better. Heat is their enemy. There is a certain temperature factor that for every amount of that temperature, the life of the component is doubled, ( I think it is 10 degrees C - ie for every 10 degrees it is increased, the life expectency is halved, and every 10 degrees it is reduced, the life expendency is doubled) also more reliable. Coolers and heat sinks are not that expensive and are cheap insurance.
     Also heat cycling causes solder joints to cause problems.

    Reference:
    http://servenger.com/Resources/Modeling_Temperature_Driven_Wearout_Rates_for_Electronic_Components_b.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_Accelerated_Life_Test
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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 11:15:00 PM »
    In electronics, the cooler the better. Heat is their enemy. There is a certain temperature factor that for every amount of that temperature, the life of the component is doubled, ( I think it is 10 degrees C - ie for every 10 degrees it is increased, the life expectency is halved, and every 10 degrees it is reduced, the life expendency is doubled) also more reliable. Coolers and heat sinks are not that expensive and are cheap insurance.
     Also heat cycling causes solder joints to cause problems.

    Reference:
    http://servenger.com/Resources/Modeling_Temperature_Driven_Wearout_Rates_for_Electronic_Components_b.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_Accelerated_Life_Test
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    I know people that use their PCs in hot environments for work just about every day for years and never have a problem yet some people that work in an air-conditioned building go thru a new PC every year or so. Temps do have an effect but unless you are talking extreme temperature changes  then you have to figure in more then just a 10 deg temperature change to figure the life expectancy of electronic components.
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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 01:41:27 PM »
    Please stay on the problem.
    Whether it is degrees C or F is just a way of measuring, it does not affect the problem
    The problem is "heat"
    This can be caused by the heat transfer method getting old or not applied correctly (heat transfer grease) or lack of proper circulation in the case or more cooling needed for the CPU
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    Different computers respond differently to heat problems. The motherboard (how it is mounted). The CPU (cooling methods and mounting plus heat transfer, which can include transfer grease and or heat fins, shrouds, and fans). The case (adequate ventilation) etc.
    Since CPUs are expensive and are critical and coolers for them are comparatively inexpensive, it is a good insurance to increase the CPU cooling, which can be important to older computers or stressing computers with games.
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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 02:11:59 PM »
    Whether it is degrees C or F is just a way of measuring, it does not affect the problem
    mroilfield didn't say anything about C or F in his previous reply.

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    The problem is "heat"
    No, It's not. There is no problem, the original question is wether 166F under load is too hot for the card. It's not. Any semi-modern Graphics card is going to hit that temperature or higher pretty much regardless of what "heat transfer method" is being used.

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    This can be caused by the heat transfer method getting old or not applied correctly (heat transfer grease) or lack of proper circulation in the case or more cooling needed for the CPU
    I find it funny that you would tell mroilfield to "please stay on the problem" and yet conveniently forget not only that there was no problem to begin with, only questions, and since both of the questions had to do with the Graphics card (and not the CPU), I'm not really sure what you are saying.

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    Different computers respond differently to heat problems. The motherboard (how it is mounted). The CPU (cooling methods and mounting plus heat transfer, which can include transfer grease and or heat fins, shrouds, and fans). The case (adequate ventilation) etc.
    Yes, and Graphics cards respond generally the same. That is, they stop working or have problems. It's important to note however that not only are the temperatures specified relatively cool for an under-load GPU but that they made no note of any problems whatsoever afterward, and were merely concerned that the temperatures were high.

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    Since CPUs are expensive and are critical and coolers for them are comparatively inexpensive, it is a good insurance to increase the CPU cooling, which can be important to older computers or stressing computers with games.
    And now not only is this advice irrelevant, it's pretty much wrong. While I cannot disagree that better cooling solutions can only help, what is a bit silly to assume is that any old inexpensive heatsink/fan is going to be better then the stock. The expensive coolers are pretty much the stock coolers with a few bits of glitter tacked on and probably a few dangly bits that make it look more like it belongs in an abstract art museum for the retarded then installed in a Computer. The cheap ones are pretty much just that- cheaper versions of the stock cooler that you got for free with the CPU. Some people have this strange tendency to think that whatever you get with a product for it's use must suck, I imagine this tendency may have arisen from MP3 players including headphones cheaper then prostitutes with syphilis, but aside from the small niche that is overpriced and overappreciated things like MP3 players and so forth that type of thing is hardly seen.

    A prime example of subversion of this established stereotype can be found with CPU coolers. First off, there is only one reason to include "cheap" accessories, required or not. To save money. Apple including headphones that make your Queen music sound like it's being sung by vanilla ice as he's being sodomized by a large european Walrus saves Apple loads of money. CPU vendors selling CPUs, with warranties, but with inadequate coolers would be like megablocks being sold with a safety guarantee and giant spinning razor blades attached. It just doesn't make any business sense. If you're overclocking, you might need an "aftermarket" cooler, but sorting out the abstract art and the pieces of chrome plastic takes ages- most "good" heatsinks are in the middle, not overpriced and undercooling pieces of abstract art, and not underpriced pieces of shaped tinfoil, but rather pieces of solid metal designed to radiate heat.

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    Re: 166 degrees GPU after game
    « Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 10:35:42 PM »
    The expensive coolers are pretty much the stock coolers with a few bits of glitter tacked on and probably a few dangly bits that make it look more like it belongs in an abstract art museum for the retarded then installed in a Computer.

    Apple including headphones that make your Queen music sound like it's being sung by vanilla ice as he's being sodomized by a large european Walrus saves Apple loads of money. CPU vendors selling CPUs, with warranties, but with inadequate coolers would be like megablocks being sold with a safety guarantee and giant spinning razor blades attached.

    Thanks BC I was needing a good laugh this morning.
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