Cant add a drive? whats going on?

[ImnoGuru]

Thank you for looking at my thread.
I have a Dell computer, running, fully operational with Win 95 loaded on a small drive, a Western Digital 1.19 gig. Its full of programs.
So I decided to add another drive to it, a Seagate 10 gig, it has Windows 2000 on it.

So from what I know, all I have to do to add a drive is, make sure the jumper is set correctly, (maybe Ive got this jumper set incorrectly, I cant find anything in the CH guides for this).
Connect to a power source, add the cable (maybe I cant connect a drive onto the same cable as the C: Drive) and switch on computer.

Now I know what your going to say.... Why dont I use the 10 gig drive as the C: drive ... right.. well I dont want to.
I dont mind putting a smaller drive in this one but I want the 10 gig for a different computer.
I have other drives that can go in this one.
The thing is, that I need to be able to do this successfully before I try to add different drives.

Anyway I went into add new hardware and detect so on, but windows came back with no new hardware.
This is the first time Ive had the time to myself to play with this sort of thing and is my first attempt at getting a computer running this way.

Oh for those who would say use the Seagate 10 gig drive.... I did that too, but the drive just cycled through the post. It goes to win2000 start up, (you know the bars across the bottom of the screen that shows the progress of the O/S load process), and then reboots to the post and starts again.

So... What am I doing wrong then?

Building a computer is just beyond me Im afraid at this point because,
Im no Guru.

[patio]

The 2 G should be jumpered as master/ w slave present...
The 10G should be jumpered as slave.

Then hook them as follows:

MB=======================================10G=======2G
 motherboard                                                   slave               master.

[Geek-9pm]

If you have already done exactly as Patio has id, here is the next thing to try.
(Some older HDDs will never work right with another drive on the same cable.)

You put you new drive on the second cable, the one that foes to the CD-ROM. For now, leave the CD drive off the cable until we gets things to work.
Reboot yur system and go into the BIOS. Get familiar with how you BIOS works. There is some way to hve the BIOS tell you what is on the second cable. If does not  see the new drive on the second cable, something  is wrong.

Also, the procedure you are doing is OK for Windows 95, BUT!
Here is the BUT. Windows 95 does not support FAT32.

Three major releases of Windows 95 were made. The first edition does not support FAT32, nor enhanced FAT (for support beyond 8 GB). OSR2 is a separate version, but was never provided as a free upgrade.

Do you have OSR2 ?

[patio]

Windows 95 does not support FAT32.

Just to clarify...

Version Number     Version     Supports FAT32?
4.00.950    Original Version of Windows 95    No
4.00.950a    Original version of Win95 with Service Pack #1 installed    No
4.00.1111    OEM-only release of Win95 with FAT32 support (known as OSR2 or Win95b)    Yes
4.00.1212    OEM-only release of Win95 with FAT32 & USB support (known as OSR2.1 or Win95c)    Yes

To determine what ver. is installed in Windows Explorer clik Help/About Windows

[BC_Programmer]

Windows 2000 uses NTFS, which Windows 95, in any incarnation, will not support.


The key to getting it recognized properly by Windows 95 is to repartition the drive. All data from the W2K install will be lost.


reboot Windows 95 into MS-DOS mode.
type fdisk.

Now you should be presented with a menu containing 5 options- to start, you want to select option 5, "Change Current Fixed Disk Drive". If this is the second physical drive (which by your description it is) you will want to enter 2 here, but do double-check the listing presented by fdisk to select the proper disk.

With the W2K drive selected, you can now proceed to delete the partition. Note that although Windows 95 should recognize the full size of the drive you might only be able to create 2GB FAT partitions if you are using a pre OSR2 win95.

In any case, proceed to delete the partition(s) present on that drive, (option 3). If it says "no partitions to delete", proceed to creation. Otherwise, delete the partitions present.

Now proceed to create new partition(s) using option 1. Note that you can create 4 "Primary DOS partitions" on that drive. (difference between Primary and extended pretty much being that extended partitions cannot be set as active). After that, you can create an extended partition consuming as much space as possible and create the rest of the partitions that way.


I hope this helps. Just make sure on the deletion pages that you aren't looking at C: partition, and you should be fine.

of course- any problems and just post back and we'll see what we can do 

[patio]

Just to clarify Win2K also had a FAT32 option.

[BC_Programmer]

Just to clarify Win2K also had a FAT32 option.

true, but given the circumstances it could be either, and really the same info applies in both cases- it definitely appears to not be recognized, and assuming it is properly installed (which can be confirmed or denied during the POST or by fdisk) a very plausible avenue of attack.

Now if he has OSR2...

[patio]

I'm just having random moments of clarity...that's all.......

[Geek-9pm]

Maybe he should clarify his objective. In general, having a dual-boot of Windows 98 and Windows 2000 would be a better choice.
Getting a real Windows 95 OSR2 disk is had to do.

SO, does he have a real need for Windows 95?
Or is it just a challenge to see if it can be done?

As I dimly recall, both Captain Keen and Jill of the jungle work well on Windows 98.
And if you had all the series of those two games,
What else would you want?

[BC_Programmer]

I don't think he wants to dual boot, and if he did things would get messy.



And it's Commander keen  Billy Blaze, really....

[ImnoGuru]

Wow Patio, Geek-9pm and BC_Programmer, thank you for your responses everyone.
I understand a lot better now what Im doing.

Patio I see the way it should be set up correctly... needless to say I didnt set it up that way, so thanks for that explanation and graphic.
I'll check those numerics when I can to see if the O/S is original or win95 1, 2, 2.1 as I go through all of this.
In no particular order, to make it clearer for all, I dont need or want a dual boot. It was just that the two drives have different O/S's on them. I just wanted to improve the size total of the drive, and get another drive to work in the computer..
I have other drives of about 4 Gig I can use, so I'll get rid of the 10 for this computer and save it for a more modern build then.

Now I did see on the screen at one stage something about not a Fat32, so I guess that answers one query.
Geek - 9pm, yes I'll try that way too of setting them up..ie: on a different cable, (seeing the CD drive doesnt actually work at this time). The drawer work eject, so a change required there I found out. May as well try the other drive set up one that cable.

BC_Programmer, a full and complete response as always, with explanations of "what happens when I" .....oops didnt want to do that.
So saved a lot of heartache for me there thanks.Thank you all for the help.
I have a bit of work to go through now to see if I can make this sucker fly.
Once again thank you for the clarity of your answers.
ImnoGuru

[Geek-9pm]

Hope you get it to work right for what
you want. You mentioned a problem
with the CD ROM ejection.
That is a very old issue,
but the drive may still be sue full.

{edit to reduce louness.} 

There was an additional
tool needed in Windows 95,
but was never officially released
Is was the CD eject tool.
The software implementation
did not work well
and never got into beta.
However, the hardware had
no such issues. But for
reasons not reveled the
hardware was not released.
There was an issue about the parent rights.
But sience it has now been
over 17 years, you can have one of these
without paying any royalties.

[patio]

That's unneccessarily LOUD...

[BC_Programmer]

Also- all the info presented re: fdisk should be just as applicable with the 4GB. I'm sure you can connect the dots and realize that in that case it will be what I referred to as the W2K drive in my post

[ImnoGuru]

Yes Geek-9pm, I had that tool when I first had problems many years ago.
I have one in an old toolbox I found under a bench in the garage. So I'll just dust it off and try it again.
Actually I took the easy way out on this one and took the CD drive out all together.

As always everyone a satifactory result, thanks to the combined help from all at CH.
Many thanks, my mum will be pleased.
I loaded some simple games on the computer and office and at 75 years old Im sure thats more than enough for her to comprehend and absorb for the time being.
ImnoGuru