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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2010, 10:23:53 PM »
MaxThon and Avant are essentially just repackaged versions of IE; that is, they use the IE browser control.

This is a clue, however.

This means that if you install an add-on like IETab to Firefox and view the puzzle pages using an tab rendered using the IE engine (known as "trident") you probably won't get the black line.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2010, 10:30:51 PM »
Thanks. I guess that means that Maxthon and Avant are no safer than IE?


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2010, 11:33:26 PM »
Thanks. I guess that means that Maxthon and Avant are no safer than IE?

that depends. I've never used them, most of the browsing is done by IE DLL's though.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 11:03:53 AM »
Well BC_Programmer you were absolutely right. Downloaded Firefox ,added the IETab ,used the tab rendering, and no black line. That's exactly what I was hoping for.

Thanks so much.


             

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2010, 01:52:47 AM »
Most people would probably find NoScript annoying because it causes allot of websites to not work unless you "allow" them.

I find it very useful indeed, for precisely that reason.

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2010, 08:21:53 AM »
I find it very useful indeed, for precisely that reason.

I agree.  It is also good for preventing flash videos from loading, which helps in avoiding the daily bandwidth limit imposed by ISPs.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2010, 08:36:08 AM »
I tried NoScript and like Kip said, I found it annoying. But, the last few comments have convinced me to give it another chance. Thanks


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 09:28:01 AM »
There are two settings that I always turn off in NoScript.

One is "Show message about blocked scripts".
This shows a bar across the bottom of the windows saying that scripts have been blocked.  I find that annoying because the icon in the status bar shows the same thing.

The other setting I disable is "Display the release notes on updates".
This makes a website load after NoScript updates to say what has been changed since the last version.
Because NoScript updates so often, the website seems to show up too often.

The good thing is that both settings can easily be turned off.  To turn them off, go to "Tools" in the Firefox menu bar, click "Add-ons", click the "Extentions" button, click "NoScript" in the list, and click "Options".  In the NoScript Options window, uncheck the first and last check boxes and click "OK".

When those two settings are disabled, I think it makes NoScript a lot less annoying.
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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 12:12:24 PM »
That's great  info. I'll be sure to give that a whirl.

Thanks


             

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2010, 12:21:37 PM »
That's great  info. I'll be sure to give that a whirl.
Well, if you're not stuck for bandwidth, then it's probably not recommended. The internet will probably look a "duller" with it.

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2010, 12:31:41 PM »
Well I'm a little stuck for bandwidth so it's probably worth checking. I'm thinking that this would probably be better that NoScript at all?


             

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2010, 12:36:23 PM »
I don't see why bandwidth is mentioned. If a page does not work like you expect, you just right click and choose to allow the site, and the page reloads instantly. The protection against malicious and just plain annoying scripts is well worth it. I use Noscript and my web use is not duller at all.

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2010, 12:39:40 PM »
I suppose there are two sides to every story. I don't use it and haven't seen any of these malicious or annoying scripts at all.

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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2010, 12:47:36 PM »
I suppose it's a matter of preference: if you feel happy letting any website you go to run any script it likes on your PC, then don't bother. If, however, you value security Noscript is very useful.

One of the greatest browser threats are exploits in the Javascript engine. By default, Javascript is limited it what can do. Among things it can't is the interaction with files on the host outside the browser directory. It's a sandbox, if you will. However, bend the rules and you get out of the box. Theoretically, there could be an unpatched vulnerability in the browser Javascript engine that might allow escalation of privilege and execution of code outside the browser sandbow. Well, this happens all the time. Vulnerabilities are found and patched, not only in Firefox, but in all browsers. However, since Firefox has a built-in autoupdater and a very fast patch cycle, the chance of a user stumbling across a malicious script capable of exploiting the yet unpatched hole in the browser is quite low.

Apart from security, quite a few websites are too noisy for my opinion, with too many elements dancing, drawing your attention and distracting you. Call me old-fashioned, but I just need the raw, naked content and little else. Most of the time, I merely wish to sit down and read what's there. Noscript makes this task easy as it filters away some of the potential garbage, making sites load faster and with much less background noise than they usually do. Of course, there are sites where you require the functionality. This is exactly what the whitelisting means. Enable all and everything on sites you trust - but also on sites you want or need. Very simple. It does require discipline and is definitely not meant for everyone.


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Re: Any Ideas?
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2010, 07:51:04 PM »
I'd say it's more an issue with sites that use too much JS. Noisy, as ST said.

Most Javascript vulnerabilities are limited to Internet Explorer. (how many ways can you create a COM component? Let me count the ways....)
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