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    « on: April 13, 2010, 10:13:00 PM »
    I use CCleaner and I need some help.

    I click on the Registry Cleaner Tab and then I click on Scan For Problems and it does.
    Then it brings up a lit of things to be fixed and I leave everything Selected with a check in the box.

    Then I click Fix Selected.
    And the next window has two tabs  Fix Issue  and  Fix All  I click  Fix All.

    And it does and all the prablems go off the screen  so I close ccleaner and restart the computer.

    Now I run it again and it brings up a big list again  it never stops I thought I fixed everything.

    I can do the same thing over and over and over as many time as I want.

    Am I useing it wrong did this happen to anyone els??????????????
    How do I use  CCleaner??

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      Re: ccleaner help
      « Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 11:11:35 PM »
      I can't really help with CC but I have used RegSeeker for years and NEVER had a problem with deleting the wrong things, etc. It is easy to use [I think more so than CC which I tried]. It is downloadable in several websites. Do a google search & pick a site.
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        Re: ccleaner help
        « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 02:02:02 AM »
        Try Revo Uninstaller and Registry Cleaner software. It helps you to remove any unwanted application installed on your computer.

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        Re: ccleaner help
        « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 05:40:46 AM »
        DO NOT USE ANY REGISTRY CLEANING SOFTWARE. They cause more problems than they claim to fix (and the do not FIX any). Even one as benign as ccleaner is useless. Use the other modules in ccleaner if you like, but not the registry module.

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        Re: ccleaner help
        « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 08:16:43 AM »
        I click on the Registry Cleaner Tab and then I click on Scan For Problems and it does.
        Then it brings up a lit of things to be fixed and I leave everything Selected with a check in the box.

        Then I click Fix Selected.
        And the next window has two tabs  Fix Issue  and  Fix All  I click  Fix All.

        And it does and all the prablems go off the screen  so I close ccleaner and restart the computer.

        Now I run it again and it brings up a big list again  it never stops I thought I fixed everything.

        I can do the same thing over and over and over as many time as I want.
        When you restart the computer and run the registry scan again, does it show exactly the same items you saw from the previous scan, just before shutting down?  How many items?  What are they?

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 11:45:22 AM »
          witch is better  Revo Uninstaller and Registry Cleaner software.  or  Registryseeker

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »
          DO NOT USE ANY REGISTRY CLEANING SOFTWARE. They cause more problems than they claim to fix (and the do not FIX any). Even one as benign as ccleaner is useless. Use the other modules in ccleaner if you like, but not the registry module.
          Just Revo.

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 12:43:33 PM »
          I use CCleaner and I need some help.
          ...so I close ccleaner and restart the computer.
          Now I run it again and it brings up a big list again  it never stops I thought I fixed everything.
          I can do the same thing over and over and over as many time as I want.
          Am I useing it wrong did this happen to anyone els??????????????
          How do I use  CCleaner??
          I use this feature all the time and have never had any issues, but most of the experts around here say:  "Never Use Any Registry Cleaners".  That being said and out of the way...

          With CCleaner, restarting the computer is not necessary after Registry cleaning.  The reason you get a big list the 2nd time is some Registry entries are linked to others.  When the first group gets deleted, the linked group remains.  Try cleaning a few times in a row until none are found.  If you use it regularly, you will only need to run it once.

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 01:11:16 PM »
          You've never seen issues, but have you seen performance afterwards?

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 01:38:38 PM »
          There is no such thing as a good registry cleaner. There are simply some that don't do anything - they are the best. The others cause major problems.

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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 01:39:44 PM »
          There is no such thing as a good registry cleaner. There are simply some that don't do anything - they are the best. The others cause major problems.
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          Re: ccleaner help
          « Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 01:56:52 PM »
          You've never seen issues, but have you seen performance afterwards?
          Only on 1 computer, a friend's not mine.  He got a used computer with OS and a lot of stuff installed.  Didn't wipe it clean and start over.  It ran like *rap until he used CCleaner.  He's the one that informed me about running it multiple times until nothing else is found.  He found he had to run it 3-4 times in a row, I tried it on one of mine ane 2 times did it.

          My own feeling & an expert database programmer's feeling is, the Registry is a Database, a Microsoft Database, and the smaller it is, the better.  I think computers are so fast, now, a smaller Registry is no longer an issue.

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          « Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 02:14:23 PM »
          Only on 1 computer, a friend's not mine.  He got a used computer with OS and a lot of stuff installed.  Didn't wipe it clean and start over.  It ran like *rap until he used CCleaner.  He's the one that informed me about running it multiple times until nothing else is found.  He found he had to run it 3-4 times in a row, I tried it on one of mine ane 2 times did it.

          My own feeling & an expert database programmer's feeling is, the Registry is a Database, a Microsoft Database, and the smaller it is, the better.  I think computers are so fast, now, a smaller Registry is no longer an issue.
          Sorry, but the size of the registry is unimportant. Anything a registry "cleaner" does is nominal and not noticeable. But if you think it helped, that's fine. That's how they work - the placebo effect ;)

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 02:51:56 PM »
            you say stay with  Revo
            why what does it do??????????????

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 02:53:10 PM »
            Uninstalls programs.

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #15 on: April 14, 2010, 04:31:36 PM »
            Sorry, but the size of the registry is unimportant. Anything a registry "cleaner" does is nominal and not noticeable. But if you think it helped, that's fine. That's how they work - the placebo effect ;)
            If that were the case, why would Piriform spend so much time & effort developing one for free?

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #16 on: April 14, 2010, 04:36:50 PM »
            If that were the case, why would Piriform spend so much time & effort developing one for free?
            I have mentioned this somewhere else.
            For the same reason there used to be so many companies making and selling, and giving away RAM compression software.

            Incidentally, none of those programs actually did anything useful, and generally created way more problems than they solved.  The public wanted it through their own ignorance, so somebody provided it.

            Like people that think they will get a faster laptop or desktop by re-compiling a Linux kernel.
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            « Reply #17 on: April 14, 2010, 04:51:46 PM »
            I have mentioned this somewhere else.
            For the same reason there used to be so many companies making and selling, and giving away RAM compression software...
            I never heard of "RAM compression software", but I don't doubt that it existed, if you say it did.  If the reason is money, all of Prifiorm's software is free, so where does their motivation lie?

            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.  That's a business plan for failure.  There are some that use this ploy to entice you to buy something "better".  But this does not mean that none of the software is effective. 

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #18 on: April 14, 2010, 05:07:05 PM »
            I never heard of "RAM compression software", but I don't doubt that it existed, if you say it did.  If the reason is money, all of Prifiorm's software is free, so where does their motivation lie?

            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.  That's a business plan for failure.  There are some that use this ploy to entice you to buy something "better".  But this does not mean that none of the software is effective. 
            What gave you the idea that Piriform gives their software away?
            Because they have a version that you can use for free?  Open your eyes, they sell the FULL version.
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            « Reply #19 on: April 14, 2010, 05:16:57 PM »
            ...Open your eyes, they sell the FULL version....
            Maybe they do, but I've never seen it and can't find it now.  They do accept donations.
            http://www.piriform.com/
            The Full version is free, the portable versions are free, the slim version is free.
            http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 05:18:38 PM »
            Maybe they do, but I've never seen it and can't find it now.  They do accept donations.
            http://www.piriform.com/
            The Full version is free, the portable versions are free, the slim version is free.
            http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

            Run the program and take a look at it really carefully.  You don't get full functionality unless you pay to register it.
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            « Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 05:30:14 PM »
            Run the program and take a look at it really carefully.  You don't get full functionality unless you pay to register it.
            I'm looking at the latest version and everything appears to be functional; it doesn't say Unregistered Copy.  I don't see where to register within the program or on the website.
            http://docs.piriform.com/ccleaner

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            « Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 05:36:25 PM »
            I'm looking at the latest version and everything appears to be functional; it doesn't say Unregistered Copy.  I don't see where to register within the program or on the website.
            http://docs.piriform.com/ccleaner
            I stand corrected, I had thought those greyed out areas were inaccessable unless you paid for it. 
            The brain fart should allow for a more fluid thought process now though :)

            In anycase, registry cleaning won't do a darned thing for you except possibly make matters worse. 
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            « Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 05:52:18 PM »
            Trust me, there are greyed out areas that you can only select if you have a paid registered version.
            ...
            Nothing is greyed out on mine.  I can select anything and everything.

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            « Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 06:03:02 PM »
            I had quite a few selections greyed out on mine, I'd never tried selecting them before, but they do function and go black once selected.

            Who'd have thought it.
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            « Reply #25 on: April 14, 2010, 06:16:21 PM »
            I had quite a few selections greyed out on mine, I'd never tried selecting them before, but they do function and go black once selected.

            Who'd have thought it.
            Now that we've got that cleared up:  it's free and there is no paid version; let's return to this:

            I never heard of "RAM compression software", but I don't doubt that it existed, if you say it did.  If the reason is money, all of Prifiorm's software is free, so where does their motivation lie?

            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.  That's a business plan for failure.  There are some that use this ploy to entice you to buy something "better".  But this does not mean that none of the software is effective. 
            Don't you think that there might be something more to it?  Maybe it really is effective?

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            « Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 10:11:49 AM »
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            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.
            Take SMF, this forum software, for example, here is a post by one of the original developers, explaining the idea behind free, open source software.

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            The idea of open source is simple and sweet; it is not an idea of communism or socialism like its critics sometimes say.

            You see, throughout commerce and money-making, there are a few important things people have found make them money:
               1. The customer being treated well, such that they will come back and recommend the product and/or services to their friends.
               2. More people knowing about the product (advertising) and being able to get use out of it.

            Further, it has been concluded that the following contribute to those goals:
               1. Being able to modify the code such that you can change anything you don't like about the product, given motivation.
               2. Having the opportunity to receive the product and/or service for free or at the least possible cost.

            Why are these two things important?  Because if the software is free, anyone can download it.  If anyone can download it, then anyone who could possibly get use out of the product has a chance to use it, however much money they may have.  These people then contribute by referring other people (who can also get it for free) and by:
               1. Creating and developing solutions to other peoples problems, such as modifications, which are also open source.
               2. Developing advocacy for the software because it is well written and well maintained.

            So, in other words, by not charging for the software, and by even letting anyone download it... we increase the yield.  Marketting strategy.  We also develop advocacy much better and stronger (there are people who like paid products too, just not as strongly in most cases) than otherwise.  We're adding significant fuel to the fire that is the project.

            Most small business that don't fail in their first few years operate on a net loss, as is commonly known.  If you want to make money, it's going to be in the long run not the short.  Open source is just a widening of this; if we have a million users (0.5% of which paid), and you have only 100 ones (who all paid, and more) we still got more money than you did.  100 * 100 < 5000 * 50.

            There's also the point of support.  As we do here, most open source projects charge for advanced support.  While this isn't for everyone, this is how they make money.  The idea is to grow the client base from which the few paid ones come; again my numbers above.

            Another very important and often ignored point is education.  How hard is it to enter the programming market?  Not that easy in some cases.  Sure, you can go on google and learn some things... but you're still a yellow novice.  No one would hire you like that!  Open source is a way people who aren't quite experts yet can grow and expand their knowledge such that they can become attractive employees.  Yes, they're offering their software to you for free.... but you're offering to use and test it, and give them legitimacy for free too!  They're giving you products, and you're increasing their resume.

            It's barter, and it's done everywhere on this planet.  Just because open source does it so well that it's starting to threaten "paid" companies like Microsoft only proves how good a strategy it is.  If it weren't, if it weren't a gain to people... it wouldn't happen.

            We're not crazy hippies, us open source people... we're programmers and I at least am a big fan of the free market.

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 10:35:28 AM »
            In anycase, registry cleaning won't do a darned thing for you except possibly make matters worse. 
            I disagree with this.  CCleaner has over 400 million downloads.  I've used it for years, including the registry scanner, and never had a problem with it.  Granted, many users will not notice any difference in computer performance by running CCleaner's registry scanner because their registry is not terribly cluttered with hundreds of obsolete entries accumulated over years of use.  But, there are such users who fit the latter description and they can benefit from registry cleaning and CCleaner is a very safe cleaner to use. 

            And, I've seen cases where running CCleaner's registry scanner can fix problems.  I recall one case where the user had removed an older version of MS Office and was trying to install a newer version but the installation would not properly execute.  Running CCleaner registry cleaner was suggested.  He did that and then had no problem installing Office.

            It's unfortunate that some members of this forum repeatedly, flatly say the no registry cleaner should ever be used.   I would agree that many of them should be avoided but to just make a blanket statement that none of them should ever be used is not the best advice to be perpetuating, and it's unfair to the developers of an excellent product such as CCleaner.

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            Re: ccleaner help
            « Reply #28 on: April 15, 2010, 03:37:53 PM »
            Don't you think that there might be something more to it?  Maybe it really is effective?
            You won't see any speed difference by cleaning your registry.  The size of the registry is inconsequential to how Windows runs.
            As to whether or not it CAN actually be beneficial, well the last person I will call a liar is Soybean, and I've run into some similar reported cases before.  HOWEVER, the registry is some place that the masses should ever play, irregardless of how fashionable it may seem to them.  I've seen and heard about horror stories even from people who have followed directions to the letter.  NOBODY should blindly give these utilities an opportunity to change anything UNLESS they know what they are doing.
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            « Reply #29 on: April 15, 2010, 05:48:30 PM »
            ...It's unfortunate that some members of this forum repeatedly, flatly say the no registry cleaner should ever be used.   I would agree that many of them should be avoided but to just make a blanket statement that none of them should ever be used is not the best advice to be perpetuating, and it's unfair to the developers of an excellent product such as CCleaner.
            That's all I was attempting to point out, but you stated it very eloquently and diplomatically.

            You won't see any speed difference by cleaning your registry.  The size of the registry is inconsequential to how Windows runs.
            ... the last person I will call a liar is Soybean, and ...the registry is some place that the masses should ever play, ...
            Soybean and I are in agreement and I agree with you, Quantos, that the "masses" should never play with the Registry and you won't normally see any speed difference by cleaning.  However, you really can't mess it up with CCleaner.  It actually has a Registry backup feature before deletion, but I have never used it.
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            « Reply #30 on: April 16, 2010, 04:17:59 AM »
            CCleaner is not a registry cleaner. it has a registry cleanup component, but it's main purpose has always been disk cleanup.


            Having a larger registry doesn't slow down access time any more then having a lot of files on a disk. recall the heirarchal ordering. If you have a folder on C: with thousands of files, it's not going to slow down accesses across the drive. In fact, it won't even slow down accesses within that folder.

            The registry is a database. Yes. One might gather this from the fact that it's full name is "registration database".

            However.

            A Larger database does not affect access to records within that database, additionally, I might point out that databases like Jet, Access, MySQL, SQL Server, Oracle, etc. are relational databases- not heirarchal. Strictly speaking there is one "flat" set of tables containing records; heirarchy is hacked in via lookup Ids into other tables.


            http://www.sentinelchicken.com/research/registry_format/

            The registration database, however, is fully hierarchal. Many people make the assumption that accessing a key involves accessing the keys before it in the list- or at least "seeking" past them.

            While disk wise this is true, the registry stores key and value record offsets in the parent key's records. The value or key records  of the parent key will need to be enumerated, but considering the fact that even a PC from 1998 could iterate over nearly 100 thousand a second it's not going to contribute to slowdown unless you have that many, and that simply never happens. (I am speaking of values and subkeys of a single key, not the registry as a whole). And even then, I imagine they employ a number of other methods aside from the basic sequential access to each record, such as hash maps.

            Access to the leaves (values) of the registration database tree follow the very same rules as accessing the leaves in a Tree structure; the speed is O(n), where n is the number of nodes that need to be passed through. Unless you have a registry key that is nested beneath hundreds of subkeys that simply isn't going to be a problem.

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            If that were the case, why would Piriform spend so much time & effort developing one for free?

            I'm sorry, is this an actual argument or a joke?

            "Somebody did it so it's a good idea" is hardly grounds for a dismissive attitude on the subject. Bad ideas are acted on all the time, just because a bad idea is acted on doesn't suddenly make it a good idea. Additionally, CCleaner is <NOT> a registry cleaner. it provides some basic housekeeping tasks (half of which are useless, I'll get into those in a moment) but it does not make any claims that it "cleans" the registry.

            As for the various registry "integrity" checks it can perform:

            "SharedDLLs" have not been used by the EXE loader since windows 98. In fact the only thing that accesses them in common practice is the installer that writes the value there. Safe to delete, but all you gain is a few extra bytes of disk space.

            "Unused file extensions"

            This is absolutely meaningless. It's like scanning your drive for empty folders. would you expect deleting empty folders on your drive to speed things up? No. This doesn't speed registry access up either. No speed is  gained from this either even with files with that extension- windows would try to find the section to determine wether it exists anyway.

            "ActiveX and Class issues"

            This is the only meaningful and productive thing you can check for. The best part is almost nobody knows what it's scanning for. I won't even BOTHER to reiterate the same thing I've spoken of in the dozen other far too long posts on this subject I've made. This is only useful in that it prevents applications from trying to instantiate an object only to find that the DLL or executable that is registered is not found.

            "type libraries"

            pretty much the same as above.

            "Application paths"

            This found 10 issues on my machine.

            But all the files it reported as missing were present. More on that in a moment.

            'Help files"

            another meaningless key. you save a few bytes, maybe, if it discovers that helpfiles registered here don't exist.

            "installer files"

            This might be sensible... usually. more on that in a moment as well.

            "Obsolete software key"

            Again, meaningless. no harm, but no real gain.



            And also- an far larger problem.

            CCleaner's registry checker thing can actually <corrupt> your registry on Vista and 7.

            If you don't run it as admin, you can pretty much guarantee some issues in the future. Consider for a moment that a program requires administrator privileges to access files in the system folders or program files folders.

            Now, that's sensible.

            However, when CCleaner tries to access a file in program files to check if it exists based on the value of a key (say, in Application paths) It get's  back access denied and assumes it doesn't exist, thus marking the key bad. this happens with <All> the various scans; such as installer scans (which are usually stored in the windows folder).

            So if you forget to run it as admin you're deleting keys that  <aren't> obsolete, disassociating files from programs that <DO> exist.... creating problems, where there are none.


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            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.
            No offense intended, Quantos, but that is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. It's not always about money. Why do painters paint? why did Michelangelo sculpt David? was it because he could get money for it? Probably not. I don't even think he did, actually.

            The only people that didn't understand famous artists during their time were exactly that way- they only cared about the bottom line, and couldn't imagine anybody else thinking differently, they couldn't leave their own little world of shekels and talents and actually appreciate what was around them. Sure- they contributed to the community, at a price.

            However- are there any famous money-lenders? are there any famous Investment bankers? Do they have busts of loan-sharks in museums? Are their memorials to great financiers in the same token as those in the  U.S for the many people who shaped that country? No. the possession and seeking of material goods is a sign of vanity that almost precludes any of these types of people from ever being considered for recognition, except perhaps in the form of infamy.

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            « Reply #31 on: April 16, 2010, 06:14:26 AM »
            I really don't like getting involved with these discussions because there is no way to convince someone who believes registry "cleaners" work that they don't. The bottom line is that the best possible result is that there will be no harm done. Okay - ccleaner's registry cleaner module may very well not hurt anything. The same can be said of smiling at your computer and saying "good morning" to it each day before booting up. And both have precisely the same positive effect - they make you feel better. Clearing unused items from the registry makes your system run better or faster? No. But if you believe it does that's fine. THAT's why companies make and sell (or give away) these products - because people want to believe there is a way to improve performance and some people actually believe they DO see a performance increase. The placebo effect. OR - P.T. Barnum had it 100 right. Or both.

            I can tell you for an absolute fact that registry "cleaners" are the cause of a huge number of problems and posts on computer support forums.

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            « Reply #32 on: April 16, 2010, 06:42:01 AM »
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            I still don't understand why a software developer would provide something that people want, if he can't make any money from it.
            No offense intended, Quantos, but that is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. It's not always about money. Why do painters paint? why did Michelangelo sculpt David? was it because he could get money for it? Probably not. I don't even think he did, actually.
            Don't blame that statement on me man, I didn't make it ;)
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            « Reply #33 on: April 16, 2010, 02:34:25 PM »
            No offense intended, Quantos, but that is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. It's not always about money. Why do painters paint? why did Michelangelo sculpt David? was it because he could get money for it? Probably not. I don't even think he did, actually.
            Don't blame that statement on me man, I didn't make it ;)
            You can blame it on me.  BTW, they did do it for the money, being sponsored by rich patrons, whose support enabled their entire lifestyle and that of their apprentices.  That was the way the great artists made their living.  Without their wealthy patrons and the money they provided to produce the art, you never would have heard of them.

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            « Reply #34 on: April 16, 2010, 07:16:06 PM »
            You can blame it on me.  BTW, they did do it for the money, being sponsored by rich patrons, whose support enabled their entire lifestyle and that of their apprentices.  That was the way the great artists made their living.  Without their wealthy patrons and the money they provided to produce the art, you never would have heard of them.

            LOL... guess you don't know how poor almost all of them were... the people sponsoring them may have been rich, but they pretty much just gave them crumbs.
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            « Reply #35 on: April 17, 2010, 12:46:19 AM »
            Just had to get in on this discussion. I use a program "The Print Shop" and have used it for a long time. This morning it just wouldn't load. It couldn't find a file(don't remember which one?) Because I have the disk I decided to remove the program. Add/Remove Programs wouldn't remove it though. Tried CCleaner and I couldn't remove it there either. I downloaded "Revo Uninstaller" and it did remove the program, but when I tried to re-install the program i got the same message as when I tried to remove it. Couldn't find that file to remove program. It was at this point that I decided to use the "Registry" Cleaner/Fixer/Repairer (or whatever it is)option in CCleaner.I did back up the registry before running it. There was three files (related to The Print Shop program) left in the registry that CCleaner acknowledged and was able to remove. Once this was completed the program loaded and is running fine again.

            This was the same type of situation that kpac mentioned. His example was MS Office mine is The Print Shop. So Registry Cleaners or??? may cause more trouble than they're worth, but in my case it was required. And, I wasn't afraid to use it because I use it often. Perhaps I've just been lucky?


                         

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            « Reply #36 on: April 17, 2010, 08:08:42 AM »
            overthehill, thanks for posting that.  It was me who mentioned the MS Office example.  Your post reinforced a point I was making in my previous post, which is that CCleaner's registry cleaner can be a problem solving aid in some situations.  Therefore, statements from forum members that discourage any use of any registry cleaner under any circumstances is unforturnate because they spread the mindset that a registry cleaner should never be used.  And, such statements lump all registry cleaners into this negative frame of reference instead of engaging in some positive discussion of which ones are safer to use. 

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            « Reply #37 on: April 17, 2010, 08:37:16 AM »
            Sorry about the name mixup soybean. It was very late and the print gets very small :||x


                         

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            « Reply #38 on: April 17, 2010, 08:41:06 AM »
            overthehill, thanks for posting that.  It was me who mentioned the MS Office example.  Your post reinforced a point I was making in my previous post, which is that CCleaner's registry cleaner can be a problem solving aid in some situations.  Therefore, statements from forum members that discourage any use of any registry cleaner under any circumstances is unforturnate because they spread the mindset that a registry cleaner should never be used.  And, such statements lump all registry cleaners into this negative frame of reference instead of engaging in some positive discussion of which ones are safer to use. 


            Actually, the MSOffice issue falls into the ActiveX/COM area; this is a perfectly sensible and relatively standardized area as far as checking would go- the only grave concern is that you <MUST> run it as administrator- good thing CCleaner asks for admin right away.

            I don't fully agree with a few of the little sections in the registry cleaner area, but they don't do what I <hate> reg cleaners to do, which is try to "parse" and determine what keys are valid when they really don't know what they are for.


            I think the main reason folks here discourage it is that somebody might recommend the use of a CCleaner's registry cleaner component, and that perosn might decide that they should try that free registry cleaner they saw advertised on some other site (or maybe they google for "registry cleaner").

            The Print shop scenarion is a little odd, in that it states that it cannot find a file both times and it turns out to be registry keys.

            which is that CCleaner's registry cleaner can be a problem solving aid in some situations. 

            This I can somewhat agree with, my posts was mostly in contest to the multiple posts stating that cleaning the registry can speed up the system. It can be used, in certain circumstances (obviously, if the program had been able to uninstall properly the situation to use the registry cleaning component would not have arisen). But I still don't think it comes even close to being something that should be recommended frequently (such as making sure they are clean of malware, have updates, etc) but rather only when their information makes it seem likely that the situation warrants it. Additionally, we cannot deny that it can cause problems if used improperly.
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            « Reply #39 on: April 17, 2010, 09:31:25 AM »
            I wouldn't suggest that the registry cleaner ever made anything run faster. And I would agree that they could possibly be a problem. But, after my recent experience they obviously have their place. After all it cured my problem when I could find no other way.


                         

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            « Reply #40 on: April 21, 2010, 08:32:26 AM »

            This I can somewhat agree with, my posts was mostly in contest to the multiple posts stating that cleaning the registry can speed up the system. It can be used, in certain circumstances (obviously, if the program had been able to uninstall properly the situation to use the registry cleaning component would not have arisen). But I still don't think it comes even close to being something that should be recommended frequently (such as making sure they are clean of malware, have updates, etc) but rather only when their information makes it seem likely that the situation warrants it. Additionally, we cannot deny that it can cause problems if used improperly.

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            « Reply #41 on: April 25, 2010, 10:09:02 PM »
            I use CCleaner and I need some help.

            I click on the Registry Cleaner Tab and then I click on Scan For Problems and it does.
            Then it brings up a lit of things to be fixed and I leave everything Selected with a check in the box.

            Then I click Fix Selected.
            And the next window has two tabs  Fix Issue  and  Fix All  I click  Fix All.

            And it does and all the prablems go off the screen  so I close ccleaner and restart the computer.

            Now I run it again and it brings up a big list again  it never stops I thought I fixed everything.

            I can do the same thing over and over and over as many time as I want.

            Am I useing it wrong did this happen to anyone els??????????????
            How do I use  CCleaner??

            Hi,

            i used registry cleaner not ccleaner because  registry cleaner is a type of software utility designed for the MS Windows operating system whose purpose is to remove
            redundant or unwanted items from the Windows registry.It can help you to  keep your PC running smooth.
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            « Reply #42 on: April 25, 2010, 10:59:35 PM »
            I think I can safely say that the concensus in this thread is; be careful with the registry. And, whether your solution is the best or not, I'll never know. The link that you've provided is not recommended WOT.


                         

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            « Reply #43 on: April 27, 2010, 01:38:19 PM »
            http://onecare.live.com/site/en-Us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

            Even Microsoft did say doing a registry cleaning once a month would help  :P Though you need to be careful...

            oh by the way, should grab the new version of CCleaner, it came out earlier in the week...  :)

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            « Reply #44 on: April 27, 2010, 02:16:12 PM »
            http://onecare.live.com/site/en-Us/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

            Even Microsoft did say doing a registry cleaning once a month would help  :P Though you need to be careful...

            oh by the way, should grab the new version of CCleaner, it came out earlier in the week...  :)
            All part of their sales pitch. Registry cleaners are useless. But you know what? I'm really tired of saying the same thing. So by all means everyone - download and run every registry cleaner you can find. Afterwards you can either post here or click the link in my signature for help  8)

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            « Reply #45 on: April 27, 2010, 02:25:44 PM »
            All part of their sales pitch. Registry cleaners are useless. But you know what? I'm really tired of saying the same thing. So by all means everyone - download and run every registry cleaner you can find. Afterwards you can either post here or click the link in my signature for help  8)

            Where would we be without you here Allan?  ;D ;D ;D

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            « Reply #46 on: April 27, 2010, 02:28:00 PM »
            Where indeed !!!  ;D  8)

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            « Reply #47 on: April 27, 2010, 02:35:55 PM »
            All part of their sales pitch. Registry cleaners are useless. But you know what? I'm really tired of saying the same thing. So by all means everyone - download and run every registry cleaner you can find. Afterwards you can either post here or click the link in my signature for help  8)

            you're tired of saying the same thing... at least yours are less then 5 pages each time...  :P
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            « Reply #48 on: April 27, 2010, 02:40:37 PM »
            you're tired of saying the same thing... at least yours are less then 5 pages each time...  :P
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            « Reply #49 on: April 27, 2010, 05:32:46 PM »

            Alot of people saying that 'registry cleaners dont make the machine run faster', that maybe, but i dont wash my car to make it go faster.

            That's my tuppence worth.  :D
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            « Reply #50 on: April 27, 2010, 10:55:07 PM »
            This has been quite the thread and it's been very interesting to read the different views.
            It had been pointed out to me here at CH that tampering with the registry can be very dangerous. More than I actually realized.This warning came in one of my first posts. So I do take this warning seriously.
            Now having said this, what I would like to know is :do any of you know of anyone who has ever encountered any problems when using the CCleaner registry(cleaner,fixer,repairer) feature?. Again, I'm specific here ,CCleaner registry cleaner(I'll call it cleaner). If so, I would like to hear that; absolutely, unequivocally, it was the CCleaner registry cleaner that caused problems . It appears to me that all of these registry cleaners are being painted with the same brush. Most seem to agree that CCleaner is a good program. But, the registry cleaner should not be used because it is useless and/or it will cause problems. Is there no chance at all that the people at CCleaner got their complete program right?. Like I said earlier, their registry cleaner cured a problem for me when I could find no other way and I've had absolutely no problems when using CCleaner. So if it cured a problem and didn't create any , how can it be considered useless?
            And no, I'm not one of their salesmen.


                         

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            « Reply #51 on: April 28, 2010, 01:17:02 AM »
            Yes, I have encountered proplems with registry cleaners.  One client, back when I was still working in computers, used Iolo's System Mechanic.  The results were horrible.  I had to fix three of his computers.  In regards to Piriforms registry cleaner, I don't think that I've encountered any issues with it.  However I think it just might be a lot less aggressive than most of them.

            With that being said I still want to make it clear that letting something whiz through your registry with a mind of it's own is a stupid idea.
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            « Reply #52 on: April 28, 2010, 04:49:12 AM »
            I've said this before- but it's been a while, but this is how I've always seen it and why there even is a market for registry cleaning in the first place.

            The registry was originally designed to replace the INI files that were strewn about the disk like nobodies business in windows 3.x.

            It stores the <exact> same information as would be stored in an INI file (excepting the HKEY_DYN_DATA and performance data keys, which are dynamically generated and don't even exist in the registry at all).

            However- with windows 3.x- there was no such product as an "INI file cleaner" you could use file utilities to round up older INI files but you could never be sure that they weren't used by anything.

            At the time it was a rite of passage to learn how to edit INI files- it was rather simple to do and posed very little danger. for example, a text editor I used with windows 3.1 - PFE (Programmers File Editor) stored it's settings in an INI file. You could open that file, and edit it as you please. however, you could be absolutely certain that no matter how much you munged up "PFE.INI" the only application that would be affected was PFE.

            The idea to migrate to a central settings database was due to the fact that at the time, INI files were far less then convenient for the tasks of system standardization and group policies- if all the settings were stored in a central database, there would only be one place to look for the settings- you wouldn't have to actually retrace the steps of the application to find out which of the three INI files it was using in order to edit the right one. a common symptom was that people would be told via instructions to edit an INI file for an application in C:\windows, only to find that nothing changed, because there was an INI file in the applications directory as well.


            In order to better organize the settings, they settled on a heirarchal arrangement of keys and values, placed into Hives (so named because one of the developers hated bees or something).

            Truly, the registry already existed in windows 3.1; it was basically used for what is now stored in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT; file associations and registered OLE components. for windows 95 they expanded it and made it a central feature of the operating system with it's own set of API functions as well as supporting multiple data types.

            The unintended result was to make the registry a large, monolithic database holding a vast quantity of different information- you could edit a good number of the settings without ill effect, but editing others could make it necessary to reinstall windows 95 entirely.

            Being that it was no longer simply text files you could open, the registry was somewhat of a mystery to people- and in fact it still is. Many people, even today, refer to the registry as "windows brain" which is a rather vulgar interpretation as well as an ill-thought out analogy- it's basically a collection of settings, used by any number of applications, that happens to be centralized in a single database. It was this sort of misundestanding of the registry and exactly what it was that was preyed upon by the eventual release of commercial "registry cleaner" products. to make matters worse these registry cleaners were and often still are a part of some sort of all-in-one solution including disk defragmentation, disk checking, disk cleanup, and so forth, making it seem like cleaning the registry is as important as those other operations.

            The first registry cleaner ever made was made by microsoft- it was exclusively created for cleaning out obsolete and non-existent registered ActiveX components. and it worked  fine. Perhaps it was the release of this particular tool and the gigantic furor it caused (which, in those days, meant about 20 people had heard about it) was what eventually made other companies realize that they would be entering a lucrative market by making a tool that does the exact same thing as "regclean" did but at a higher price point.

            HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT is the only hive that should <EVER> be "checked" by any sort of registry cleaner. but many cleaners check other areas in the registry.

            a prime example. some time ago I ran ccleaner. next time I went to work on my evaluation library, it refused to start. apparently, CCleaner decided that my applications key in hkey_current_user/software/ was obsolete, and deleted it.

            What makes this even more silly is the fact that my program did nothing wrong- it's registry key and the data stored within just happened to fit some sort of pattern that CCleaner recognized and chose it for deletion. This was because it had a number of entries that would CCleaner decided were filenames (but were in fact Expressions) and then found that those files (which weren't filenames to begin with) didn't exist, therefore meaning that the program had been deleted from disk manually, so it decided that the entire key was a waste of space.

            It wasn't just that it happened to my application and I spent a futile 4 hours looking for some sort of subtle bug in my code only to discover that it was a ccleaner registry clean I had run over a month earlier that caused it that aggravated me, but rather the fact that it couldn't possibly be an isolated incident. Other programs keep all sorts of data in the registry and no registry cleaner can make the assertion that "this value is a filename" or "this value is a file path" even with the best sort of analysis. Such pattern recognition can be made better but it can never be made perfect; just as an AV will occasionally pick up a false positive so too will the pattern recognition of a registry cleaner will misidentify a value,as it did for me. (note I'm speaking in terms of everything but HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT "cleaning" which is rather well-defined in terms of what each value is).

            For me, I literally had to include extra code that took account of the otherwise impossible scenario where the registry key A contains data that implies that registry key B exists, but registry key B doesn't actually exist. Without running ccleaner, such an eventually would never happen, but since I cannot guarantee that all my applications will run on PCs that don't run the CCleaner registry component, I had to add a good page of code just to handle that set of eventualities.


            Of course, there will be just as many incidents of "miracle cures" of a system as there will be catastrophic failures, but when then again- people have won millions and billions of dollars through playing the lottery, that doesn't mean everybody comes out a winner. And of course those slot machine tickets mock you on purpose, putting two lemons or two sevens for the first two scratch slots only to deliver you a plum or something for the third one. Why must they taunt us! what cruel and heartless *censored* conceived of such devious lottery ticket design?

            there's a saying I just invented:

            Some people have a problem, and they say "I know, I'll use a registry cleaner".

            Now they have two problems.
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            « Reply #53 on: April 28, 2010, 06:06:37 AM »
            Couldn't have said it better myself BC.
            Okay, well actually I could have, but I still love your posts  ;D

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            « Reply #54 on: April 28, 2010, 06:39:44 AM »
            I was actually considering removing all of it and just leaving the saying... but everybody would have thought my forum account was hacked by somebody who actually embraces terse replies.  :)

            it was also a preemptive response to a post/comment that is usually made in discussions about the registry, saying that the registry was a bad idea to begin with, which usually comes from those who weren't around to see what was being used before that, which was no better. The fact that Microsoft couldn't see into the future and realize that all sorts of other companies might capitalize on the confusion resulting from the change is hardly their fault.

            Ironically enough in my last few programs I've abandoned storing any data in the registry at all, and gone back to INI files, since I know that there won't be an "INI file cleaner" program trying to understand and selectively delete data that belongs exclusively to my program. So I won't waste hours writing workaround code that is basically working around problems with other peoples programs that like to pilfer my programs data.

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            « Reply #55 on: April 28, 2010, 06:42:48 AM »
            Yeah, when I use a program that offers the option of storing preferences in a .ini file vs the registry I always choose the former.