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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2010, 12:39:27 PM »
One of the things that hasn't been stressed on this thread is that you don't need to chose only one browser.  I use Firefox most of the time, but for some sites I'll use Chrome.

For sites that have a lot of links to other sites, for me it seems like Chrome is slightly faster.  When I'm done with site, I'll close Chrome and go back to Firefox.

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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2010, 02:17:06 PM »
One of the things that hasn't been stressed on this thread is that you don't need to chose only one browser.
True. I use mainly Chrome but sometimes Firefox or Opera. Some browsers have features that others don't. Opera has IRC chat built in, so when I want IRC I use Opera.

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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2010, 06:34:30 PM »
Opera has IRC chat built in, so when I want IRC I use Opera.

basing a browser choice on the number of satellite features it provides is a tad silly. The application is called a Web browser because it's designed for browsing the web, not IRC chats. an IRC chat program can be used for that purpose, and those "seperate programs" can be used just as seamlessly as any built-in IRC support, since they can be set to handle irc:// links.


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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2010, 06:51:38 PM »
basing a browser choice on the number of satellite features it provides is a tad silly. The application is called a Web browser because it's designed for browsing the web, not IRC chats. an IRC chat program can be used for that purpose
But I say: why have separate programs for everything when you can have programs that do multiple tasks.

For example: there would be no point in having one program for importing pictures from a camera, one for cropping the pictures, one for rotating them, one for editing them, one for organizing them, one for emailing them and so on. It would be much better to have a single program like Picasa for example to do many different tasks.

Same with a web browser. Chrome can't open PDF website pages. Opera can do it and it can also sync bookmarks, chat IRC, contain sticky notes, keep a contact list and more. Sure you may need all the features but they sure come in handy when you do.  8)

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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2010, 09:30:05 PM »
Chrome can't open PDF website pages.
Do you mean open PDF documents within the browser?  I find that it can.  I just visited irs.gov and opened a tax form, which is a PDF, in Chrome.  This is on my laptop running Vista and Adobe Reader 8.

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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2010, 09:54:52 PM »
But I say: why have separate programs for everything when you can have programs that do multiple tasks.

For example: there would be no point in having one program for importing pictures from a camera, one for cropping the pictures, one for rotating them, one for editing them, one for organizing them, one for emailing them and so on. It would be much better to have a single program like Picasa for example to do many different tasks.

Same with a web browser. Chrome can't open PDF website pages. Opera can do it and it can also sync bookmarks, chat IRC, contain sticky notes, keep a contact list and more. Sure you may need all the features but they sure come in handy when you do.  8)


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I see.

If it's an open source program, it's innovative and new, but if it's a Microsoft product, it's bloat.
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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2010, 10:45:49 PM »
If it's an open source program, it's innovative and new, but if it's a Microsoft product, it's bloat.
How did you get this from what I wrote!? I didn't mention anything about open source. Opera isn't even open source and Chrome is only based on a open source project. So how did you come up with this open source thing. Furthermore the average user will not give a #$%@& if software is open source or not. Open source is good but many closed source apps are great too. And not all of Microsoft stuff is bloated, there are some Microsoft products which I like quite a bit even better than open source ones, for example I use MS Paint on my Ubuntu system instead of GIMP. I find it does a better job for my purposes.

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Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2010, 08:50:14 AM »
I use MS Paint on my Ubuntu system instead of GIMP. I find it does a better job for my purposes.

whaaaaaa? You run mspaint through WINE on Ubuntu? That's just... crazy. Well, unless you mean Paint.NET.

Perhaps, I was erroneous. In either case, the whole "browser with all sorts of extras" thing was tried already with Netscape. Didn't work so well.

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But I say: why have separate programs for everything when you can have programs that do multiple tasks.
Because each program is now a specific unit that performs that specific set of tasks. The "features" you list are simply symptoms of a larger "illness" called "gold-plating syndrome" it's a rather serious problem nowadays.
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For example: there would be no point in having one program for importing pictures from a camera, one for cropping the pictures, one for rotating them, one for editing them, one for organizing them, one for emailing them and so on. It would be much better to have a single program like Picasa for example to do many different tasks.
This is where I lose you. an image editor edits images and can import them from a camera, and do other various things of that nature.

But E-mail should be handled by something else. when I use the "Send" command in Paint Shop Pro, for example, it uses my default E-mail handler, thunderbird.

Additionally, having your E-mail settings as part of the configuration of yet another program, and needing to change those settings in a dozen or so different programs when you change it quickly makes one realize the flaw in having these features built into the program rather then having the program rely on <another> program whose <main> function (that is, not a "hey, that would be a neat feature to have" thing) is to send E-mail. If a text editor needs to provide a way to edit an image, why should it need to re-implement all sorts of image editing tasks? the only reason is Programmer Hubris. THe IRC chat provided in Opera only exists because somebody over there thought "hey, this would be a "neat" feature. it's a back-burner feature-the people responsible for it write it because they think it's "cool", not because they can see any solid reason in the context of the application to add it.


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    Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
    « Reply #23 on: May 10, 2010, 08:45:22 AM »
    Recently I switched from FF to Google Chrom as the FF took so much RAM :/ so far im very happy with it and its also very easy to use.

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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 06:55:41 PM »
      I prefer Chrome, after using FireFox for about 3 years.

      I feel that Chrome runs lighter on the system. But chrome runs independent processes (when you look at task manager), which is kinda weird. I do think it loads faster on my laptop, not page loading, but the actual program loads much quicker. But I like how basic it is.

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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 06:58:54 PM »
      Chrome lasted less than 10 days on my machine...
      I'll take a browser customised how i want it to be anyday...

      But this is why it's always good to have choices.
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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 07:08:34 PM »
      Chrome lasted less than 10 days on my machine...
      I'll take a browser customised how i want it to be anyday...

      But this is why it's always good to have choices.

      Anybody who doesn't like having choices should buy a mac anyway.  :-X
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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 07:25:45 PM »
      Just tried the new BETA...won't connect anywhere but Google's homepage.
      Man it's good.
      Both FireFox and IE have sites connected...
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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 08:01:39 PM »
      I have 4.1.249.1064 (45376)

      Goes WAYYYYY slower then FF. I thought it might have been a cache issue, so I loaded my web page a few times in a row in Chrome.

      FF took about 3 seconds to completely load my page- Chrome took about 10, every time.

      My PHP code only has a specific change for Internet Explorer; both FF and Chrome are receiving the same HTML. For some reason FF displays it faster.

      "but! Don't worry, it's lightweight, and doesn't use as much memory as Firefox" chrome advocates might say.

      True. I have 6 tabs open in each browser, and Chrome is using 100MB (combining the memory use of all of it's processes, which is another caveat I should discuss), while FF is using a little less then 200. Considering I have 8GB of RAM, I really don't care wether the 20 or so add ons I have installed in Firefox are consuming 100 megabytes of RAM, since the 20 addons I have installed in FF don't exist for Chrome at all. (tabmixplus is a rather "heavy" addon, as well, I would imagine if I was to disable it my mem usage would be around 50MB.

      Another point of note is that Firefox has been open for over 2 weeks without being closed. No joke. I just opened chrome. Evidently Firefox doesn't have any memory leaks as people like to claim. (at least, not anymore).

      Now. While everybody else is focussing on memory usage between Chrome and Firefox, they seem to forget that Chrome starts a new process for every single tab. Not only does this mean that Chrome essentially "forces" itself to have more CPU time, it means that any use of the chrome browser outside of the browser content invokes cross-process calls to the other Chrome instances, additionally, it means that task manager is not actually telling us the whole story- the default memory display is "private working set" however, we have to take into account that each process is given resources for their shared resources- such as their resources within the EXE;

      By changing the tabs to "working set", I notice that my Firefox browser is using a little over 310MB. Chrome, adding up each process, combines to 450MB.

      On to the "multiple processes" concept that has been heralded as "magical" and useful.

      First off- I'd like to say this:

      using a new process for every single tab is the most ridiculous, and even stupid concept I have ever heard of. What? Is there something wrong with creating a new  thread? Or is that too complicated? Now every single Chrome tab get's it's very own process with the memory consumption that goes along side every process that you cannot see (things like the thread information block, allocated process-private structures created by user,gdi, and other windows dlls in their DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, as well as OLE/COM, which no doubt is being used for cross-process communication in the Windows version of Chrome. These memory allocations are not reflected <anywhere> in task manager, but each process has a "base" amount of memory that is consumed.

      Not to mention the fact that every single chrome process has the same priority, so now, in effect, Chrome is taking up n times as much processor time as Firefox or internet explorer, where n is the number of tabs open. No wonder it would be more responsive, it has more CPU time.


      Seriously, WHY DID THEY USE MULTIPLE PROCESSES? unless they think their javascript engine is likely to crash completely, they should have just used multiple threads.
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      Re: Firefox slow - Chrome a better choice?
      « Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 09:00:01 PM »
      Well after wrestling with the connect issue for an hour and a half chrome is headed to the trash once again...
      All existing browsers on this machine had live active connections...
      When i went to Tools/Options it wanted a connection set up......WHY ? ?
      It's a freakin browser fer cryin out loud.
      After jumping thru those hoops for 5 minutes or so the setup window (looks like IE to me )...locked up.

      It's gone once again...and i'm remembering why it didn't last long the first 2 times.
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