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Re: Unlocked Internet = Free Internet?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 09:17:57 PM »
I just think and wonder... If people or computer users with internet connections having wi-fi capabality routers in their home is not secured and is aware he/she is being shared by an unwanted user, and the unwanted user has its own wi-fi signal(home) and having wireless connection problem. Does it implicate the user with any privacy law? Being aware of the topic that users intentionally stealing bandwidths are arrested. And just to add, Why not make a wi-fi connection security hassle-free when obtaining a wireless router, like a button or icon to press available everytime you want it locked during or after wi-fi or router set-up ? The reason I ask is people of all ages as we know have different awareness, knowledge(none,low,average,experts) who have to ask, pay for that matter to arrange certain router wi-fi security settings. A set-up that is different from having a wireless connection to a secured connection.


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Why are wireless networks so often unsecured?
The main flaw in wireless network security is that most wireless devices, such as routers, come out of the factory with wireless security disabled. This is done deliberately by the manufacturer to make the set-up procedure easier. The manufacturer pretty much assumes that the user will choose to enable wireless security as part of the normal set-up procedure. Many users don't enable security, usually because this adds extra difficulty to the set-up procedure.

The reason why piggy-backing is so common is that many notebook computers have a wireless adaptor, with software which will automatically offer to connect to any unsecured network! Casual users can inadvertently connect to someone else's network even when they are trying their level best to connect to their own!

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Re: Unlocked Internet = Free Internet?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2010, 09:22:42 PM »
Actually, re the quoted text, the reason that routers come "unsecured" is because it's impossible for them to come secured. if they come secured, then they will all have the same wep passcode or password, in which case anybody else can easily determine what brand of router they have and connect using that password/username anyway. It wouldn't prevent "accidental" connections either, since if most brands all use the same passcode/passphrase then the OS will often keep that cached, and will send those credentials to another router if it mistakenly connects to it, and therefore they are now using somebody elses connection via an encrypted connection. There is no magical "press me to make things secure" for a router/network just as there is no magical button to do that to secure a single computer.
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2010, 11:34:39 PM »
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But I'd be interested to know how the court cases came out.

Well maybe you could just apologize... :)
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2010, 11:43:02 PM »
Just a random thought, some how I think if wireless routers came from the factory with security enabled the password would be "password".  And that's really hard to crack.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 06:37:44 PM »
Well I believe I know who one of the two voters are that said yes but I wonder who the other one was and why neither voter wanted to post why they think it is free.
I didn't vote in this one, I just felt like reading your arguments against using insecure wifi.
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Re: Unlocked Internet = Free Internet?
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 07:39:59 PM »
Thats just irresponsible.

What is?   Putting a signal on the air, then whining about it if someone else recieves it, and expecting some government agency to "protect" you, for your convenience?   Obviously, the irresponsible one is the one that is asking for all this, without thinking it through.

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To find the signal, you would have to look for it, and it not yours to use.
Any signal, that is out there, is fair game to be received.   Think about it.  Again, if you don't want it to be received, then don't transmit it.   


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You've also contradicted yourself. You state '*You* are responsible for your signal, not the reciever'. So therefore, if you are 'tuned' into that signal, then you are recieving a signal THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. It is not yours.

It is anybody's, once it is transmitted.  That's the way radio works.


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Thousands, probably millions of text messages and mobile/cell calls are flying around in the air. That does not give you the right to listen in or recieve them.

Of course it does. 

If not,  what's next?   I can't listen to .... Radio Free Europe?   Voice of America?   
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Your antenna picks up everything, its your equipment that deciphers it and you control your equipment, therefore it would be YOU that made your equipment pick up someone elses signal.

Exactly.  Now you got it.

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Is my dog free to bite you because its not on a lead.

On your property?  Sure.
On my property?  ...  hardly.... I'd just shoot the dog and fix the problem.

But -- what does this have to do with radio reception?


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Just because you can pick up a unlocked signal does not mean you should. Like i've said before, is a unlocked car a free car. No, it is not.

Poor analogy.
A car is a tangible, single object.  A radio transmission is not.

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Your arguement is ridiculous.

Because you can't understand it?   heheheeh  ... that's pathetic.


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Re: Unlocked Internet = Free Internet?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 07:55:13 PM »
\you're not just receiving signals, your interacting with somebody elses piece of property

By transmitting in return?  Yes.
That's why I said that the transmitters are the only way to regulate.
And...  that is why transmitters are what the government regulates, with other radio services. 

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- the access point- possibly purposely with the intent to circumvent and use the service provided by that device. If somebody was able to create a device that was able to use a cellphone network without them paying the company, would it follow that it's somehow the cellphone companies fault for making it "easy".

The receiver is NOT passive.

Of course it is.  By its very nature it is.  Barring spurious emissions, etc. 

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In order to use said signal, the receiver needs to respond

And that is transmitting.   

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and interact with said signal. As I noted above the only reason somebody might do that would be in order to use the service the device provides for free. It's like saying that you can use somebody's computer for free because their wireless keyboard/mouse just happens to be compatible with yours, and you can sit outside their window and do stuff using your keyboard/mouse. It follows that if the receiver is "passive" then the sender is equally innocent in that case since all they are doing is sending a harmless signal.


If they are not barred by law, from making the transmission,  they you are correct.
And therein lies the whole problem with this stuff.    Manufacturers have jumped on it, because there is a market for these products.  Home wifi.
Can't blame them for making a buck.
However, the consumer is not cognizant of what he is getting into, and suddenly wants to make somebody else responsible for a problem that he created with his new toys.
Remember,  his internet service comes to him inside a wire.  The consumer is the one that changed that, when he puts a signal on the air.  If he doesn't want someone else to hear it, and use it,  then he has a few choices to make.

He can buy a few hundred acres, and put his house in the middle of it, so no one can get close enough to his little radio station to use it.

He can turn it off...  ( horrors... give up a convenience, that nobody explained to him before he purchased his new toy!)

Or, he can learn how to use it, and encrypt his signal.  That alone will deter what?  99.99% of would be freebie users?



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Any WiFi device that can connect to a access point transmits.
Not really. circumventing any sort of security in place at all on a network, wireless or otherwise, is an electronic crime. I know that Canada's Criminal Code, section 342.1 prohibits accessing a computer without authorisation. That covers the use of both "Open" networks just as much as it covers those that are Encrypted. I imagine the laws of other countries are nlot much different, this sort of thing might even have some sort of coverage by the DMCA in the US.


That being said- "listening" to signals as they pass through the air is probably covered by a completely different law, if you purposely don't send any signal in response (and therefore are not truly accessing any system) could possibly fall under wiretapping laws, depending on the circumstances.


Sometimes right and wrong, is not equal to legal and illegal.
Telling someone that they cannot receive a radio signal, legally -  is just plain wrong.   Defies common sense.

I can think of an example or two, in the U.S. where it is  done.
Virginia, for example,  will confiscate a radar detector in your car.  That should be thrown out in a court of law.  It is wrong.


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If a TV station was transmitting a signal that was encrypted and they sold little boxes to decrypt the signal for a fee, would it be "wrong" to reverse engineer the encryption and be able to receive that signal for free? Personally, I don't think so.

Exactly.

The TV station *can* patent the little boxes, and go after anyone else that is selling them though.  But, if you want to build your own, ... go for it.


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IMO that signal is not a communication between two people, but rather a large-scale signal sent to the public at large; although even the slightest bit of "reverse engineering" of even the simplest encryption is clearly prohibited by the DMCA, other countries laws on that subject are not as clearcut; there is only one way communication and the device is merely translating something in the air that is receivable by anybody; legally I don't think there is much difference between receiving that encrypted signal "legally" and decrypting that signal; the decryption is acting on something anybody can have, so it seems stupid to have some sort of restriction on how a encrypted signal can be used when the receiver has not made any agreement with the sender; in this case it's a matter of the encryption itself being too weak and easy to figure out as much as anything.


Weak?
as in  non-existent?  I think that's where this thread started... with non-existent encryption.   :)


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Re: Unlocked Internet = Free Internet?
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2010, 08:45:05 PM »
It might be a good time for some one in the UK to respond.  I don't remember the details, but before my time, and before cable and satellite, I read about when the BBC only had a few channels and charged a fee for picking up off the air channels.  I remember seeing pictures of vans with directional antennas driving up and down streets looking for TV IF frequency's coming from unlicensed users, which meant  some one was watching off air TV but not paying for it.

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2010, 12:19:41 AM »
It might be a good time for some one in the UK to respond.  I don't remember the details, but before my time, and before cable and satellite, I read about when the BBC only had a few channels and charged a fee for picking up off the air channels.  I remember seeing pictures of vans with directional antennas driving up and down streets looking for TV IF frequency's coming from unlicensed users, which meant  some one was watching off air TV but not paying for it.

I live in Bristol, isn't that in the UK? (It was last time I looked). The BBC still charges a licence fee, and TV Licencing still uses vans, but the detectors these days are hand held. Like chunky remote controls. Handy for blocks of flats. Your post makes me wonder if you have paid for yours, since you seem to think it's a thing of the past.



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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2010, 01:37:59 AM »
Americans have always enjoyed free television, financed by advertisements. Nowadays you need a digital converter box to pickup the signals but you still don't pay any fees for the signal. We do have to pay for cable and satellite TV, but you can still get all of your local channels for free.
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2010, 10:28:57 AM »
Americans have always enjoyed free television, financed by advertisements.
A:) The Television has not always existed. therefore neither did television programs. therefore it was impossible for anybody to get free Television anywhere (including the US) since the TV wasn't invented. Pedantic? Maybe. However, even so, the advertising model has changed rather dramatically.



Remarkably, the new age of television dawned virtually on the 50th anniversary if the industry. The first regularly scheduled telecasts in the US were begun by NBC in 1939, and it was not a promising beginning for the new medium. In a public demonstration at the New York World's Fair that year, television — a chunky set wit ha screen 8 inches (20cm) high — drew large crowds but was largely dismissed as an electronic marvel with a dubious future. A number of "experts" declared that television transmissions were too expensive to compete with radio, that channel frequencies were too few in number, and that television sets were too complicated for most people to operate.

Television might have proved the naysayers wrong sooner, but the US involvement in World War 2 from 1941 to 1945 stopped the medium's development there for the duration. Immediately after the war, however, there was no question that television had arrived. Owning a TV set became part of the postwar American dream, and the prosperity of the 1950's helped that dream along.

Originally, Television modelled itself on radio. The new medium snapped up radio's program forms, its economic structure, its executives, stars, and advertisers. And soon enough, it's audiences as well.

As in pre-war radio TV programs were presented by single sponsors — advertisers who paid all the costs of producing and airing the show. This arrangement gave advertisers considerable control over program content. In addition, companies often became strongly linked in the public mind with the shows they sponsored. To this day, there are people who associate comedian Milton Berle with the Texaco oil company. Berle's Tuesday night ptohtam, "the Texaco Star Theater" which debuted in 1948 and ran until 1956, was US television's first genuine mass-audience hit. Berle went on-air just as TV sets were dropping in price and becoming a fixture in middle-class homes. He is credited with helping television tovertake radio in mass appeal.

Initially, in the US, there were four networks. NBC, CBS, ABC, and DuMont. The DuMont network was founded by Allen B. DuMont, one of the inventors of the the television. But it was the smallest of the four entrants, and because there was scarcely enough television advertising to support 3 networks, they went out of business in 1955. ABC struggled for survival for the next 10 years as the third network in what was often characterized as a 2 and a half network economy.

Searching for new ways to compete, ABC i nthe mid-1960's introduced participating advertising, a system in which spot commercials are placed in a program like advertising pages in a magazine or newspaper. The economic realities of broadcasting at that time — climbing producting costs, the expense of airing "blockbuster" movies, and the dwindling number of companies that could afford to underwrite the entire cost of programs — prompted CBS and NBC to also adopt this form of advertising. Spot commercials took program control away from advertisers and handed it over to the networks. Moreover, participating advertising meant that companies would literally compete to have commercials aired during prime time viewing hours and during national telecasts, resulting in larger profits for the networks with each passing year.

By the 1970's, the three networks were on equal footing in the competition for viewers and advertising dollars. And they ruled the TV industry. The Big Three networks held such domination over the airwaves that all other TV broadcasters combined — independent commercial stations as well as public television affiliates — could muster barely 10% of prime-time viewership. The demand for network commercial spots so exceeded the supply that networks were able to raise their ad rates, by ten percent or more each year. network television at this point became a failureproof business- even programs that flopped made money. The networks got to be such money machines that NBC sank into third place in the competition for viewer ratings and still posted record profits from ad revenue.

But the richer and more powerful the networks grew, the more they were resented. The federal government became so concerned about the networks domination of the TV industry that it began looking for ways to limit their power and open to airwaves to greater competition. In the early 70's the FCC adopted several new measures aimed at reining in the networks. The financial-interest and syndication rule, for example,  barred the networks from demanding an ownership stake in programs they put on the air and thereby forced them out of the profitable business of selling their own reruns to local stations.

Just when network television was at it's peak of power, the marriage of two previously separate technologies — video cable and satellite communications — made it possible to deliver programs coast to coast in a new and more economical way. Before the satellite connection, a typical cable operation was simply a tall antenna that brought in programs — mostly network programs — in areas of poor reception and relayed them by wire to subscribers homes. In 1975, Home Box Office (HBO) a pay-television service, began feeding it's line-up of programs by satellite to cable-TV systems in the US. By reaching homes across the country, HBO became, in effect, a new national network. The only cable systems that could receive it however, were those with satellite dish antennas (which at this point made "stealing" the signal a tad uneconomical to your average consumer). Within a year, most of the larger systems had such antennas, and by 1980 they were part of any cable company's standard equipment. By the early 1980's virtually every cable system in the US offered subscribers 10 or more channels of satellite-relayed programming. (People with satellite receiving dishes could pick up satellite broadcasts directly, for a more expensive one-time "fee" of buying the dish.)

Still, the ability of satellite networks to reach audiences was slight compared to that of ABC, CBS, and NBC. By 1980, cable was available to only 20% of the nations households, and most of those were in rural and suburban areas. The major cities remained unwired for cable. Wiring urban areas was difficult and costly, and it was further complicated by municipal governments, which required cable companies to compete for exclusive franchises. It appeared that the largest cities might not have cable in the foreseeable future, and possibly not until the next century. Without access to urban audiences, cable services had no chance of challenging the great broadcast networks.

As it turned out, though, public demand brought cable to the cities far sooner then anybody had expected. The demand was not for the technology itself, but for the variety of programs cable offered; channels devoted to news, sports, movies, music, public affairs, arts, Siamese faith-healers network, etc.

Today we remember the 1970's... Or, some people "remember"- others learned about it separately, for example, I cannot remember the 1970's merely because I was not yet alive at that point in time.  Perhaps that is why? I consider it history worth learning, while older people may consider it instead as yesterday's news? In any case, it should be remembered as the last decade where US television was under the absolute dominance of the networks. Throughout the 80's, the networks continued to be the great department stores on the main street of TV, but increasingly, the trendy boutiques along the side streets were picking up business.

Executives of the Big Three refused to acknowledge the extend of the threat posed by the growing competition. Typical of their short-sighted outlook (a outlook now reflected, it would seem, by the RIAA and Music labels, but that's another topic) was a booklet entitled The Road to 1990, published by CBS in 1984. Largely an exercise in wishful thinking, the brochure was intended to assure advertisers, investors, and other interested parties that the networks would continue to be the driving force in television in the 1990's. CBS conceded that cable program services, then numbering about 30, might reduce the networks audience share somewhat, but at most only by 15 percent. It also predicted that with cable companies specialized programming and relatively small audiences, "It is unlikely that all 30 services will survive". Nowadays, what they once called "services" have essentially become what we call channels, and  they number in the hundreds even for the more basic Cable packages, which has become a ubiquitous "necessity" to many people.

By 1986, just two years after the booklet was released, the number of cable channels numbered 54. In addition, there were five "superstations" beaming programs across the US and Canada by satellite, and an ever-increasing number if independent UHF stations. By this time, also, VCR's — introduced more the 10 years earlier — had become another important variable in the TV equation, and thousands of video rental shops were opening from coast to coast. There was no denying any longer that the networks day in the sun was drawing to an end.

In 1986, just as profits were beginning to slide, all  three TV networks were sold to new owners. Capital Cities Communications Inc. bought ABC; The General Electric Company Bought NBC and it's parent company, RCA (and we all know who owns it now :P) and CBS effectively went ot businessman Laurence A. Tisch, whose stockholdings fell just a hair short of constituting a legal buyout. In every case, the new managements were composed of hard-nosed executives with no reverence for the history or traditions of the companies they bought. Concerned solely with profitability, they proceeded to slash operating costs by firing hundreds of employees and cutting executive privileges and other nonessential expenditures. Almost overnight, the glamour and fun went out of network television as it struggled to meet the cold realities of the "bottom line."

Over the next two years, Some 3,500 network staff members lost their jobs. The news divisions were hit hardest by the personnel cuts, in part because, being "in-house" operations, theirs was the only programming whose costs the managers could control. But the new owners reasoned that since local TV stations made money on their news departments, there was no reason why the networks should be losing money on news. As a result of all this belt-tightening, the networks were back on a profitable track but at nowhere near the levels of the past.

The shakeup of the big three did nothing, however, to stop the erosion of network viewership. By late 1989, the networks' share of the prime-time audience had slipped to about 64 percent. Down from 90% 10 years before. Meanwhile, more then half of US households — some 52 million — had been wired for cable.

The networks were now ready to try just about anything to broung back the good times. In their desperation, they ventured into a practice that ended up backfiring on them: sensationalist programming, also dubbed "tabloid TV" because of it's similarity to the crime,sex, and weird goings-on formula of many tabloid newspapers.
In making a foray into tabloid TV, the Big Three were largely following the lead of yet another competitor, The Fox Broadcasting Company, launched by Australian American media tycoon Robert Murdoch in 1986. Fox became the first new regular broadcast network — as opposed to satellite cable network — to last more then a year or two since the failure of DuMont more then 30 years before.

Most analysts wrote Fox off as a reckless and doomed undertaking. Murdoch, however, had conceived a clever strategy for his network. His plan was to offer programs that appealed particularly to younger viewers, to produce shows for less then the networks paid, to establish just one night a week of programming each year, and to introduce new series in the summer — opposite network reruns. The strategy worked. Television critics, having little else to write about in the summer, gave the Fox line-up considerable attention, while interest among young people spread via word of mouth.

Credit for the Fox's Success, however, goes mostly to them taking the low road. It's programs included such titillating shows as "A Current Affair" "America's Most Wanted" and "The Reporters" all of which tended to blur the line between fact and fiction by mixing reenactments of crimes and other events with actual news footage.

EDIT: I didn't realize how long that was...


I could go on for some time with this little "history lesson" but I think a good point that needs to be made is that this topic is NOT ABOUT TV. Therefore I hope the above has settled any possible arguments about what was and wasn't free or who and what advertised for whom during what point in time. There are also some relevant points of note, however; especially regarding individually owned satellites; at the time no legal action was taken, nor could be taken against the owner of a satellite dish, despite the fact that they were essentially getting Cable service "for free". I imagine this was because the equipment necessary was far more expensive.

WillyW makes an excellent point as well with regards to the owner of the access point, One which I initially misunderstood in my reply; the "subscriber" to the internet service, basically, to should some sort of responsibility for securing their network. many have responded to that with comments in the league of "poppycock" and "fiddlesticks". However, consider for a moment, with regards to the car analogy.

Some have said that "an unlocked car is not a free car". So then the question arises...

Why do we lock our cars? Perhaps it's because we really don't care wether the person taking our car feels they are morally justified or not and simply don't want them to take it. So too should  that be the attitude with regards to Wireless networks, and it is the one I exercised when I first set up my wireless internet. The first thing was simply to enable WPA; the fact that I now have encryption means that, legally, if somebody was to "crack" my router (unlikely) and do nasty illegal stuff that get's traced to me, and I can prove that there was a breech of the security measures I put in place, I would not be liable.

However, if I left my router completely unsecure, according to law (here) I would be accountable for the other persons actions. It doesn't matter that they broke the law (if they did, I'm not even sure it's illegal for them to connect when the network is completely unsecure) the thing is- I can't prove anything. I can't tell them who did it, since if I was good enough working with the router to do that one would think I might have secured the network. It's not a case of making sure the people who don't have a clue how the technology works aren't being put on the hook for things they didn't do, it's a case where the people who don't have a clue should get one. Saying that people who aren't familiar with Wireless network protection should have some sort of protection to prevent them being held liable for misuse of their connection by others is like saying that people who don't know how to drive a car shouldn't be held accountable for what the car does while they drive it, simply because they "don't know better".


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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2010, 12:24:54 PM »
BC, your posts are long on a 23" widescreen monitor, so I can't imagine them on a 800x600 screen.

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2010, 12:39:32 PM »
BC, your posts are long on a 23" widescreen monitor, so I can't imagine them on a 800x600 screen.

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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2010, 12:44:35 PM »
Yes, which would result in a very long page.

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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2010, 03:34:16 PM »
 
Yes, BC, i agree that people should learn how to use their equipment, just as people have learnt to 'lock their cars', but i also reemeber my Grandparents telling me about a time when 'you could leave your front door unlocked and it was safe, nobody would pinch anything'. It seems that nowadays, anything that is not bolted down or locked  will get stolen or used by the multitude of opportunistic chancers that seem to think that 'if its there, i can have it' and 'How can i benefit from someone elses mistake'. Whether it's legal or not to connect to an unlocked wireless connection I don't know, but where has the moral obligation to 'do whats right' gone? There is protection there for people who don't know how to use their equipment and it is encryption, but just like the people who could 'leave their doors unlocked' they will not realize that they can use the lock until it's too late and it's happened to them. Times change, i can already here people saying and this is true. We ALL now need locks on our doors because of the above stated 'opportunists', but i'm going to make an assumption that long ago 1 person got burgled and because of this their neighbours then locked up their own property, and so it starts.

People, slowly but surely, will learn to protect there equipment, but i still do not think that they should be targeted by these opportunists (yes, i like that word  ;)). To use another car analogy, it brings to mind thieves that check every car door in a hope that they find an unlocked one so they can steal it. I dont think you can take the effect and make it the cause. People who are ignorant do not deserve to have things stolen from them or have their possesions, items OR unlocked wireless connection used.

and to WillyW, i understand what you're saying, i just don't agree with it.
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