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Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« on: August 02, 2011, 01:32:31 AM »
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Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
July 29, 2011|By Doug Gross, CNN

A survey used tests offered through Web searches or in online ads to measure the IQ of browser users.

Are users of other Web browsers smarter than the people who use Microsoft's Internet Explorer?

A new survey doesn't quite say so. But it sure as heck suggests it.

The survey by AptiQuant, a Vancouver-based Web consulting company, gave more than 100,000 participants an IQ test, while monitoring which browser they used to take the test.

The result? Internet Explorer users scored lower than average, while Chrome, Firefox and Safari users were slightly above average.
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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 02:36:05 AM »
Internet Explorer is the best browser for downloading a better browser. LOL

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 04:52:09 AM »
does using a browser that runs on the IE kernel count as using IE? ;D
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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 05:59:10 AM »
They're not dumb, many of them just don't realise other browsers exist because it's the only browser which came preinstalled of machines in the past. I'd imagine Browser Choice is making a difference to that.

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 08:32:30 AM »
Per the article:
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Users of Opera, the Norway-based browser, scored the highest at well over 120. (What AptiQuant called its complete results included a bar graph showing the scores, but didn't appear to have text giving the exact numbers.)
Guess what I'm using?   ;D

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 11:44:48 AM »
No.

The only reason that Firefox, Opera, and Chrome are getting popular is because their main feature is basically:

-not Internet Explorer!

People have started to- for whatever reason- associate Internet Explorer with "bad security" even though FF, Chrome, and Opera have just as many shortcomings in that area, if not more. The Browsers are functionally equivalent, and come down to preference. People like to assume "oh, they just don't KNOW about other browsers" as if there simply being an alternative browser is somehow justification for a switch. It isn't.

Having to of course google for the source, Since geek-pm likes to completely ignore the fact that sources ought to be quoted for easy reference, it seems they only tested IE6 users, and from what I can tell, completely ignored users of IE7,8 and 9. This is called a "bias" and after revealing that there is one, the motives of the "study" become quite clear. It's a bunch of people using other browsers that want to make themselves look smart.

IE isn't part of the 'browser cabal'. The W3C only has two real implementers: IE, and everybody else. Everybody else, when they're confused about a spec, will look at whichever browser (other than IE) has already implemented it and copy it. Sometimes literally copy the code. The fact that IE has an independent implementation is a GOOD thing, and I don't see how anybody can claim otherwise.

What (for example) Chrome should do when confused about an aspect of the spec is go to the W3C and force them to make an official decision on the behavior required and update the spec. They don't do this; instead they just look at what Firefox did and copy it exactly. They also make no effort to get Firefox's behavior codified by the W3C and updated in the spec. Thus: the spec remains vague. Thus: it's fully possible for IE to implement the spec word-for-word and yet show a different result, or fail the "acid test" because the acid test isn't actually testing the standard but rather how close the implementation is to "everybody else". Thus: web developers *censored* at IE being different because they have the gall to actually implement based on the spec, when all the other browsers are not.

The reason "web developers", at least the whiny ones, are frustrated with IE are:
1) Most of them have the Slashdot-esque generic Microsoft hatred, where Microsoft is a scapegoat for everything wrong with computers ever
2) Most of them are lazy, and (not realizing how easy the task is compared to most) don't want to have to QA their products in more than one browser
3) Most of them value some abstract academic bullcrap like  "style separate from content" "semantical purity" "HTML needs to be XML-compatible" over getting their job done.

Anybody griping about IE being "behind" other browsers simply hasn't used IE. The real fact of the matter is:
-The 'standards' often do things in the most illogical, confusing way possible (getComputedStyle vs. currentStyle, textContent vs. innerText)
-The IE developers frequently (and rightly, IMO) call these confusing standards out and make their own version as well, which makes 50 times more sense
-The fact that the W3C ignores IE's innovations (99% of the time; there's always xmlHttpRequest) is a crime against all web developers everywhere. Note: Microsoft is a member/sponsor of the W3C, and they get treated like crap by them.

Oh, and look at the W3C standard for figuring which mouse button was pressed on a mouse event. It's so retarded, your brain will explode out your ears-- nobody at the W3C ever heard of holding down TWO mouse buttons simultaneously? IE, once again, implements it in a easy, rational fashion.

Which makes more sense:

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element.innerText="hi I am text in an element";
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document.getElementById('element').firstChild.data = "hi I am text in an element";

The former is only possible in IE. the latter is what the W3C recommends in place of innerText.

Compare IE's currentStyle property with the W3C's retardly inefficient "getComputedStyle" function-- what is a 12-character property in IE becomes 40 characters and two function calls in "everybody else". (IE supports the standard way, as well, I think, but the "standard way" is stupid and the fact that the IE-specific implementation is so much cleaner is a failing on the part of the standards body. They should be choosing the most obvious, simplest approach, not forcing web developers to use a 40 character properly and two function calls for no reason at all. Another, more conspiratorial theory is that the W3C ignores things like "innerText" and "currentStyle" specifically to spite Microsoft.
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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 11:21:46 AM »
I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 12:50:51 PM »
And, Lastly:

BBC: Internet Explorer story was bogus

Next... Are CNN reporters dumb and BBC people smart?

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 01:08:43 PM »
Next...isn't this Topic Dumb ? ? ?
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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 01:26:13 PM »
Next... Are CNN reporters dumb and BBC people smart?

You could try reading.

from the BBC article. the very first paragraph:

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A number of media organisations, including the BBC, reported on the research, put out by Canadian firm ApTiquant.

But to answer your question, that's a false dichotomy. Why are they CNN reporters, but only BBC people, for one thing.
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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 01:27:06 PM »
Next...isn't this Topic Dumb ? ? ?
Is that a rhetorical question? ;D

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Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 01:55:32 PM »
Pretty much...now that i think about it....
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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #12 on: August 04, 2011, 06:49:37 AM »
    And, Lastly:

    BBC: Internet Explorer story was bogus

    Think this story would have made a perfect April fools joke  :D , when I first read it I thought it as to be a joke

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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 08:44:06 AM »
    The results of the iq test make sence to me. People who use computers more often in their daily lives are usually smarter than people who dont. They probably dont have as much street smarts but iq tests dont test that aspect of knowlege. The people that have to use computers more often find the need for a quality browser while the peoplewho dont just live with what is preinstalled. I am sure you would see a difference inresults if windows didnt ship with a web browser.
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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 12:17:45 PM »
    The results of the iq test make sence to me.
    There was no IQ test. the "results" are fabricated.


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    People who use computers more often in their daily lives are usually smarter than people who dont.
    No they aren't. THat is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard.


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    The people that have to use computers more often find the need for a quality browser while the peoplewho dont just live with what is preinstalled.
    Again, this is only a valid statement if you assume that Internet Explorer isn't a quality browser. It is. There is no significant difference between IE and the other browsers, aside from what I stated above, that they are the only ones who try to implement the spec independently.


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    I am sure you would see a difference inresults if windows didnt ship with a web browser.
    Again, the "results" were fabricated so they were only made to further a specific agenda.
    On that note, I got another link covering the hoax:

    http://siliconfilter.com/the-internet-explorer-iq-hoax-and-the-state-of-tech-blogging/
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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #15 on: August 09, 2011, 01:27:30 PM »
    I have to say though ... Microsoft are way behind the other makers of browsers in one crucial area - performance.

    I have carried out these test myself along with others.

    IE9 - Slower than predecessors
    IE8 - Slower than predecessors
    IE7 - Slower than predecessors
    IE6 - Faster than predecessors
    IE5 - Faster than predecessors

    So the question I have is... what the flip happened during the development of IE7 ?

    Why has this been carried forward to the newer versions of the browser?

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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #16 on: August 09, 2011, 01:53:12 PM »
    I have to say though ... Microsoft are way behind the other makers of browsers in one crucial area - performance.

    I have carried out these test myself along with others.

    IE9 - Slower than predecessors
    IE8 - Slower than predecessors
    IE7 - Slower than predecessors
    IE6 - Faster than predecessors
    IE5 - Faster than predecessors

    So the question I have is... what the flip happened during the development of IE7 ?

    Why has this been carried forward to the newer versions of the browser?

    What are you talking about?
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    « Reply #17 on: August 09, 2011, 02:47:27 PM »
    the speed at which the browser starts up, and the speed that it loads webpages. IE is going backwards in performance times.

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    Re: Are Internet Explorer users dumb?
    « Reply #18 on: August 09, 2011, 03:37:07 PM »
    Firefox has taken longer to start with each version as well, In my experience.


    Also, IE6 did not start faster or run faster thant IE 5.5, in my experience. There was no discernable difference. And if there was, I imagine it was because Trident was updated to support the draft CSS2 specifications, which IE 5.5 only sorta kinda pretended to do. IE5 certainly wasn't faster than IE4 by any margin.

    Each new version of the software took advantage of features in newer Operating Systems.

    IE1,2, and 3 were designed for windows 3.1; each one required more memory and more processing power, because they each did more. Running IE3 with the same specs as IE1, IE3 would  run slower.

    IE4 was first released as part of Windows 95, as well as being a requisite component of a number of other applications that used InfoViewer (Visual Studio 6, for example). It was, again, slower than IE3, because it now supported a *censored* of a lot more; javascript, java, applets, COM components, ActiveX controls, etc. And, naturally, the change from a crappy toolbar to a ReBar/CoolBar control. Anybody saying IE4 is faster than IE3 clearly hasn't used both.

    Each new Version basically made it's debut on a new OS release; IE4 on Win95, IE5 with Windows 2000, and IE6 with Windows XP. each of these operating systems had their own differing requirements and the time period between the releases of the two operating systems meant that faster hardware was a lot more accessible, and usually a given with the new Operating System. The requirements for windows 2000 and Windows XP were the type of system that nobody could even imagine running Windows 95 on at the time of it's release. Comparing how IE4 runs on a Windows 95 machine with Windows 95-average specifications with IE6 running on an XP machine with "Standard" XP-era specifications is a biassed comparison. All you are saying is that "software runs faster when the computer is faster" which is obvious and it says nothing about the relative speeds of the software in question.
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    « Reply #19 on: August 09, 2011, 09:30:03 PM »
    May want to Post exactly how these "tests" were run and with what parameters...
    Otherwise it's just conjecture on your part...
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    « Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 06:21:49 AM »
    The test were run in two different ways, over 4 different systems.

    The systems were as follows:

    Windows 7 Machine - Dual Core - 2GB RAM
    Windows 7 Machine - Single Core - 1GB RAM
    Windows Vista Machine - Dual Core - 4GB RAM
    Windows XP Machine - Single Core - 2GB RAM

    All machines connected to a 40mb/s fibre optic connection. They connected to the router via a GigaBit network.

    The first test - Upgrading the version of IE to the first release of each new version (if that makes sense)

    The second test - Microsoft Expression Super Preview 4 - http://www.microsoft.com/uk/expression/products/web_overview.aspx

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    « Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 03:33:01 PM »
    The first test - Upgrading the version of IE to the first release of each new version (if that makes sense)

    Windows XP comes with IE6, Windows Vista comes with IE7, and Windows 7 comes with IE8. You cannot downgrade these below the version that came with windows, and if you do it would certainly taint any testing value to install a version of Internet Explorer that couldn't possibly have a hope in *censored* of running on the machine under normal circumstances. Since you made declarations that IE5 was faster than previous browsers, your "test" implies that you were then able to install and use IE4. Since none of the machines you note was capable of running IE4 I'm forced to conclude you are making most of it up.

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    That tests browser compatibility. I don't see the value in that, at least not in this context.
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    « Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 07:32:35 PM »
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    Windows XP comes with IE6, Windows Vista comes with IE7, and Windows 7 comes with IE8. You cannot downgrade these below the version that came with windows, and if you do it would certainly taint any testing value to install a version of Internet Explorer that couldn't possibly have a hope in *censored* of running on the machine under normal circumstances. Since you made declarations that IE5 was faster than previous browsers, your "test" implies that you were then able to install and use IE4. Since none of the machines you note was capable of running IE4 I'm forced to conclude you are making most of it up.

    But wait !  ...that's how the tests were run...
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