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    Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
    « on: August 19, 2011, 09:50:52 AM »
    I was speaking to my uncle yesterday, and he told me that MS-DOS was based off of the CP/M OS (Not the Emulator). It was released in 1976.

    Would someone recommend it, but not the Emulator to learn MS-DOS as for the OS?

    Would it be released as so many decades went by?

    Was it really based off of FAT8?

    Could I turn the floppy images into a bootable CD?

    http://www.google.com/m/search?pbx=1&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=2367&fsdt=44334&cqt=&rst=&htf=&his=&maction=&q=cp%2Fm+operating+system+free+download&flip=0

    That's the link I came across.

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    Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 10:27:37 AM »
    I was speaking to my uncle yesterday, and he told me that MS-DOS was based off of the CP/M OS (Not the Emulator). It was released in 1976.
    Wait... what emulator? CP/M was Digital Research's Operating System, "Control Program for Microcomputers".

    QDOS was based on CP/M only as much as, say, Linux is based off of UNIX. Which is to say, not at all. It tries to seem similar to it's environment, but saying it was "based" off of CP/M implies that QDOS was actually based off of CP/M at the source code level, which it wasn't; Tim Patterson wrote QDOS because there was a need for it.

    Why all this talk of QDOS? QDOS was purchased by Microsoft, renamed to DOS, and licensed to IBM as part of their agreement.

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    Would someone recommend it, but not the Emulator to learn MS-DOS as for the OS?
    What? I'm going to say  "no" here, although I'm not sure what you are asking. What Emulator? Either run it in a Virtual Machine, or don't run it at all. As buggy and problematic as DOS itself is, CP/M raises that by quite a factor, particularly in regards to disk corruption.

    Most importantly, you aren't going to get CP/M working on a modern machine. A Boot disk, maybe. But have it boot from, say a partition of your hard disk? Very doubtful.


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    Would it be released as so many decades went by?
    No idea what you are asking.

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    Was it really based off of FAT8?
    No. CP/M does NOT use anything remotely compatible with the MS-DOS FAT file system.

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    Could I turn the floppy images into a bootable CD?
    I usually try to avoid speaking in absolutes but I'm going to say "No" here. Certainly not without some level of virtualization. In fact I doubt you could boot up CP/M on a modern system at all.
    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
      « Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 10:48:48 AM »
      Thank you for the info. I didn't mean to make you upset.

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      Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
      « Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 10:49:33 AM »
      have it boot from, say a partition of your hard disk? Very doubtful.

      Can be done, apparently, from the first volume of a CVV partition, and there are patches to get over the 8MB (!) partition size barrier.

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      I doubt you could boot up CP/M on a modern system at all.

      Of course CP/M-80 won't run on any x86 family processor, but CP/M-86 can be used on early type PCs with 8086 and 8088 cpus.

      Applying the unofficial "AT Patch" to CPM.SYS enables use with 286 and higher cpus, i.e. any AT-class machine (286, 386, 486, Pentium, etc.) There is another patch to enable dates after 1.1.2000 as well.







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      Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
      « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 10:54:15 AM »
      Thank you for the info. I didn't mean to make you upset.

      Not sure what makes you think I was upset.
      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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      Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
      « Reply #5 on: August 19, 2011, 11:09:43 AM »
      Not sure what makes you think I was upset.

      Considering he's interested in CP/M, maybe he thought you'd got the "pip" as Bertie Wooster used to say.

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        Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
        « Reply #6 on: August 19, 2011, 02:04:39 PM »
        Thank you all for the info.

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          Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
          « Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 03:08:14 PM »
          Hey guys,

          I'm 29, and since I love the 80s way too much. I understand they didn't have PCs back then. They only had MS-DOS. Am I right or wrong?

          How, and what proper steps do I have to take to learn 80s DOS? Would it be the OS of MS-DOS 6.22?

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          Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
          « Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 03:15:16 PM »
          I understand they didn't have PCs back then.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer

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          They only had MS-DOS. Am I right or wrong?
          You're wrong. I suspect you might be trolling. This very topic is about another OS choice that could be made at that time, so apparently that wasn't the only choice.

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          How, and what proper steps do I have to take to learn 80s DOS? Would it be the OS of MS-DOS 6.22?
          There is no "80's" DOS. and there would be no good reason beyond curiousity to learn earlier versions of MS-DOS (or CP/M, for that matter). 6.22 was released in 1992 or thereabouts, I believe. This type of stuff is pretty easy to google.
          I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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            Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
            « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 03:32:34 PM »
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer
            You're wrong. I suspect you might be trolling. This very topic is about another OS choice that could be made at that time, so apparently that wasn't the only choice.
            There is no "80's" DOS. and there would be no good reason beyond curiousity to learn earlier versions of MS-DOS (or CP/M, for that matter). 6.22 was released in 1992 or thereabouts, I believe. This type of stuff is pretty easy to google.

            1. I'm not trolling.

            2. I'm really sorry that I want to learn an earlier version of DOS. Will you forgive me, please?

            3. Do you want me to stop posting on this forum because of all of this?

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            Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
            « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 04:11:39 PM »
            they didn't have PCs back then. They only had MS-DOS

            MS-DOS runs on PCs, and only PCs. What don't you understand about that?

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            How, and what proper steps do I have to take to learn 80s DOS?

            Read some books.

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            Would it be the OS of MS-DOS 6.22?

            Read some books. Then decide.







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            Re: Would someone recommend the CP/M OS?
            « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 04:12:58 PM »
            1. I'm not trolling.

            I have noticed that a lot of your posts fall into a kind of "stupid kid" category. It seems I am not the only one.