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    Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
    « on: April 23, 2012, 12:05:06 PM »
    I have an old TH30S Dell Inspiron 3000 M266XT that someone put Windows XP Home on it and it runs like crap. How can I change back to Windows 95 or 98? All I have in the way of OS disks is Windows 95 Upgrade, Windows 98, and Windows 98 Upgrade.

    Also, this laptop has a removable floppy drive and cd-rom. One has to be removed from the slot if you want to use the other. My dilemma is not having access to both at the same time. According to some sites I googled, including Microsoft, I need the cd-rom and the floppy the computer can read from each device.

    I tried several times to install Windows 98 Upgrade and I always get no system disk error when I flip the floppy drive for the cd-rom. At this point I am unsure of what to do to fix this.


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    Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 02:38:26 PM »
    Not sure if it'll work with an external floppy drive but travel to bootdisk.com and DLoad and make a Win 98SE bootable floppy...make sure to choose the one with CD-Rom support...
       
     
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    Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 04:58:55 PM »
    The best way I have found to install Win98 is to use an existing machine that is using Win98, then copy the Win98 folder from the Win98 CD to a folder on the hard drive.  Then image the hard drive with DOS Ghost, then restore the image on the target machine.  When it asks for the Win98 CD, point to the directory that you copied from the Win98 CD.  A 1GB hard drive is of sufficient capacity to hold the Win98 CD folder and a lot more.  You can use the notebook's floppy or CD to boot the machine to restore the image.  No need to swap drives for anything.

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      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
      « Reply #3 on: April 25, 2012, 12:42:49 PM »
      I apologize for the delay. As it stands I don't have access to a computer with Windows 98 on it. I do have a laptop noted in my first post that has Windows XP Home SP2 but it runs painfully slow and I was looking to install Windows 98 back on it. All I have at present is Windows 95 UPGRADE, Windows 98, and Windows 98 UPGRADE. I currently have the hard drive partitioned and formatted but I can't seem to go any further since there appears to be no CD-ROM software loaded. Also, I'm not quite sure what steps I need to take when I have to switch between using the Floppy drive and the CD-ROM drive devices. I cannot use them both together based on info for installing Windows 98 UPGRADE.

      What is the difference between the Windows 98 disk and the Windows 98 UPGRADE disk?
      Do I need to find the disks to load Windows 95 first before I can use Windows 98 UPGRADE? If so all I have is a Windows 95 UPGRADE disk.

      I'm sure we can figure this out somehow.

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      The best way I have found to install Win98 is to use an existing machine that is using Win98, then copy the Win98 folder from the Win98 CD to a folder on the hard drive.  Then image the hard drive with DOS Ghost, then restore the image on the target machine.  When it asks for the Win98 CD, point to the directory that you copied from the Win98 CD.  A 1GB hard drive is of sufficient capacity to hold the Win98 CD folder and a lot more.  You can use the notebook's floppy or CD to boot the machine to restore the image.  No need to swap drives for anything.
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      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
      « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 01:31:50 PM »
      Short answer an Upgrade CD won't do squat without a qualifying version of Windows already installed...
         
       
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      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
      « Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 05:13:45 PM »
      1.   All I have at present is Windows 95 UPGRADE, Windows 98, and Windows 98 UPGRADE.
      2.  What is the difference between the Windows 98 disk and the Windows 98 UPGRADE disk?
      3.  Do I need to find the disks to load Windows 95 first before I can use Windows 98 UPGRADE? If so all I have is a Windows 95 UPGRADE disk....
      1.  Use the Win98 CD.  It's your only choice.
      2.  What Patio said.
      3.  Yes.

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      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
      « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 12:26:36 AM »
      1.  Use the Win98 CD.  It's your only choice.

      With the problem that Win98 (not SE) Discs aren't bootable, taking them back to their original problem, where they can't use both floppy and CD simultaneously.
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      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
      « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 05:47:50 AM »
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      travel to bootdisk.com and DLoad and make a Win 98SE bootable floppy...make sure to choose the one with CD-Rom support...

      With this method it gets the PC to a command prompt after loading minimal drivers...
      CD \D:  Enter.
      D:\Setup  Enter and it should start the setup process.

      Actually the command may be install...been quite awhile...
         
       
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        Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
        « Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 06:50:27 AM »
        Well I figured it out. I found a Microsoft article I printed out back in 1995 about doing a fresh install of Windows 98 on a HD. I followed the instructions, and with Windows 98 I was able to install the OS. I also remembered I bought a Multi-Task Utilities Suite CD 2 years ago from 'eddiemaintentance.com to help me install OS's. I used the Multi-Task disk from the CD-ROM, followed the directions from the help file and I was able to install Windows 98 Upgrade. During the installation, a window pops up asking to place the previous OS system disk in the CD-ROM, which I have a copy of Windows 95 Upgrade. It needed proof there was a valid copy of Windows installed beforehand. After that I had to install CD-ROM drivers from the Multi-Disk and then the Windows 98 Upgrade disk. Just more steps to do to accomplish the same result.

        Anyway I have Winows 98 installed, But I'm having another issue.

        If I'm not in the correct forum for this question let me know.

        I cannot connect to the internet using the same ethernet PCMCIA card, Dell Fast Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX 3CCFE575BT-D with Windows 98, as I was  able to with XP installed.

        Is Windows 98 capable of using an ethernet card? I does work in the computer. Maybe there are drivers and instructions somewhere online. Time to search.

        Any tips here?

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        Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
        « Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 08:54:13 AM »
        ...
        I cannot connect to the internet using the same ethernet PCMCIA card, Dell Fast Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX 3CCFE575BT-D with Windows 98, as I was  able to with XP installed.

        Is Windows 98 capable of using an ethernet card? I does work in the computer. Maybe there are drivers and instructions somewhere online. Time to search.

        Any tips here?...
        That part number looks like a 3Com device.
        HP acquired 3Com in 2010.  HP & Dell have no drivers of any kind for this device.

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          Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
          « Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 05:59:49 AM »
          Yes it is a 3Com device. Is it possible to find drivers for it to work with 98?


          That part number looks like a 3Com device.
          HP acquired 3Com in 2010.  HP & Dell have no drivers of any kind for this device.
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            Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
            « Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 07:03:30 AM »
            Thanks guys. All is well.

            I decided to install XP Home w/SP2 instead of 98. Everything works well with that OS, but if I install SP3 the Inspiron 3000 is a dog and takes forever for anything to come up when I click on something. XP Home w/SP2 seems to run just as fast as 98 did except, for whatever reason, which I quite don't understand because I was able to connect to the internet before with 98 using the 3COM PCMCIA card. I can actually connect to the net using a Netgear wireless USB adapter as well with XP Home SP2.

            Anyway, I am satisfied with the progress I made with the old Dell Inspiron 3000 and I learned a few things along the way.

            Thanks again.
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            Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
            « Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 07:31:59 AM »
            You need to visit the Dell site...enter your Service Tag #...and DLoad and re-install ALL neccessary drivers for XP...
            This step is the one most missed when users do an OS re-install...
               
             
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            Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
            « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 10:24:37 AM »
            ...I decided to install XP Home w/SP2 instead of 98. Everything works well with that OS, but if I install SP3 the Inspiron 3000 is a dog and takes forever for anything to come up when I click on something. XP Home w/SP2 seems to run just as fast as 98 did ..
            Yes, we have found the same thing.  Something in WinXP SP3 requires a lot more powerful CPU & more RAM.  Because of this, I've decided to use Win2k on a Pentium II-333 laptop (Inspiron 7000 clone) with 544MB RAM.  Stopped using IE, now use Firefox.

            There are no WinXP drivers for the Inspiron 3000 from Dell.  Win2k are the latest.

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              Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
              « Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 12:47:58 PM »
              Yes...way ahead of ya. Dell DOES NOT have drivers for the what I call the top of the line Model TS30H Inspiron 3000 M266XT Notebook. I searched forever and a day to see if I could find anything on-line. No such luck. I did add a 20GB HD and bumped up the RAM some years ago but not sure if I can go any higher. How would I find out if I can add more RAM? or is it even possible?

              What is the difference between WinXP and Win2K?

              For what it's worth I can't seem to bring myself to let go of IE. Been using IE8 for a long while. I tried Firefox at least 10 different times in as many years on several of my computers, but I can't or just plain don't know how to set it up once installed. I seem to get frustrated with it trying to set it up and not having anyone else around but me, myself and I, it gets uninstalled and back to IE8 I go. I tried the Mozilla website forums and always seem to get broken, very short answers that don't really give any guidance. Oh well!!! I do understand though that Firefox is a great browser, but unless I can chat with someone with experience on setting it up I'm dead in the water.

               I did have one guy from the forum a few months ago tell me to download this and download that and download this and that and by the time it was all said and done I could have jumped off the Empire State building without flinching. Anyone care to give me a hand?

              Thanks guys for letting me bend your ears. I really am alone here, literally, and I chug along the best I can to figure things out for myself and I can definitely use recommendations setting up Firefox maybe on a basic/intermediate level until I can figure out what is best for me.
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                Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                « Reply #15 on: May 09, 2012, 12:56:03 PM »
                Is there such a thing as 'Mozilla Firefox for DUMMIES?'
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                Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                « Reply #16 on: May 09, 2012, 05:24:46 PM »
                ... Model TS30H Inspiron 3000 M266XT Notebook....
                Mine is the TS30I, Compal Computer Corp. of Taiwan
                I put in 2-256MB PC66 RAM modules in the user accessible slots.  They were from a Dell Inspiron 8000 & they worked.  With the 32MB module buried inside the 1st hidden slot, that's 544MB.

                Windows 2000 preceded Windows XP.

                Win2k does not support IE7, 8, etc., so you're stuck with IE6 or FF.  FF does not replace IE, you can't uninstall IE6.  You just have to start using it to get used to it.  It's a browser, start surfing.

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                  Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                  « Reply #17 on: May 09, 2012, 05:40:55 PM »
                  Mine is the TS30I, Compal Computer Corp. of Taiwan
                  I put in 2-256MB PC66 RAM modules in the user accessible slots.  They were from a Dell Inspiron 8000 & they worked.  With the 32MB module buried inside the 1st hidden slot, that's 544MB.

                  Windows 2000 preceded Windows XP.

                  Win2k does not support IE7, 8, etc., so you're stuck with IE6 or FF.  FF does not replace IE, you can't uninstall IE6.  You just have to start using it to get used to it.  It's a browser, start surfing.


                  In your opinion do you think those modules will work in this Dell 3000 I have?

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                    Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                    « Reply #18 on: May 09, 2012, 06:15:45 PM »
                    Hi Monte how are you my friend? Do you remeber me? I have that nasty daughter that I spoke to you about that I put a computer together for and I was going to buy the slocket set up from you a while back. I got that computer back anyway, but I bet you don't have the slockets you spoke to me about.

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                    Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                    « Reply #19 on: May 09, 2012, 06:33:35 PM »
                    I do have the Slockets around here somewhere.  I'm now down to 3 computers, just can't get rid of the TS30I, paid over $2000 for it in 1999.  128MB RAM module was $125.  8GB HD was $100 option.  has 1-USB 1.1 port.
                    What RAM modules are you asking will work?
                    TS30H & TS30I are almost identical.  Mine's actually a Quantex, now defunct.

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                      Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                      « Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 08:49:30 PM »
                      The ones you mentioned above for your TS30I...you stated that you put in 2-256MB PC66 RAM modules in the user accessible slots which were from a Dell Inspiron 8000 with the 32MB module buried inside the first hidden slot that's 544MB. If those will work in my TS30H Dell Inspiron 3000 I just may give it a try.

                      You were asking $25.00 or $35.00 plus shipping for some slockets that you made up, if my memory is correct, that were  Pentium III's and said would work with the EPoX ep-61BXA-m motherboard with one Pentium II in the computer I had given my daughter, which would enable me to reclock it as well. I have pics you sent me of it but I can't remember what I did with them. Or was it 2 slockets that would work with  the Tyan S1682 motherboard that has 2 Pentium II's in another computer I have. I'll have to do a search on this forum to re-read what we were actually talking about. Do you remember any of this?
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                        Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                        « Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 08:55:44 PM »
                        I found it. It was $25.00 plus shipping for a SLOCKET/CPU/FAN with only 2 wires which I wanted to put in the EPox ep-61BXA-m motherboard with a Pentium II and re-clock it for more speed. If you still want to sell I'm willing to give it a try to see what improvement I can make. I never deleted the PM you sent me about it. I even still have your website address as well. Let me know.
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                        Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                        « Reply #22 on: May 10, 2012, 02:56:46 PM »
                        PM Sent.

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                          « Reply #23 on: May 10, 2012, 06:36:19 PM »
                          Will the slocket be hard to install? Also we were talking about re-clocking once installed if I remember. I did finally find the manual and was reading it last night, but I'm not sure about what should be done and if there is anything I may need to change.
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                          Re: Loading Windows 98 Upgrade issues.
                          « Reply #24 on: May 11, 2012, 08:06:10 AM »
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slotket
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_1
                          Pull the old Slot 1 cpu out, insert the Slocket.
                          There's locking tabs at the top of the cpu which locks it to the vertical arms.  Unlock them before attempting to pull the old one out.

                          Not re-clocking, overclocking, if the motherboard supports it.  Review of your motherboard:  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/440bx-motherboard-review,91-8.html

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                            « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2012, 11:57:04 AM »
                            PM sent.

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