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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2012, 03:59:51 PM »
What bugs me (I don't even know if it's wrong) is when someone says "I got in trouble by _____." It just sounds SO awkward that it drives me nuts.
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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2012, 04:52:02 PM »
Do you mean like "I got in trouble by drinking too much" or "I got in trouble by lying and cheating"? Sounds fine to me.

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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2012, 10:59:14 AM »
Yes, that one as well...

Except that is not grammar.  That's a thing known as a  smiley .       
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2012, 11:06:10 AM »
Except that is not grammar.  That's a thing known as a  smiley .     

I was agreeing with you. I quoted your smiley because I was saying "Yes, Willyw, I also smile because I also dislike that error, the one that heads the page (on this very site) that you linked to". The error that I (and you) have tactfully refrained from quoting.



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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2012, 11:09:04 AM »
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2012, 01:08:28 PM »
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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2012, 06:24:49 PM »
Do you mean like "I got in trouble by drinking too much" or "I got in trouble by lying and cheating"? Sounds fine to me.
It sounds fine there, but I mean when people say "I got in trouble by the vice principal." It just doesn't sound right to me.
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2012, 01:40:33 AM »
I mean when people say "I got in trouble by the vice principal."

Oh I see what you mean. I agree. Where I come from (England) we would say "got in trouble with" in that situation. I believe that is standard English.



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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2012, 03:05:19 AM »
Even in that example, I think it can make sense if the vice principal got you in trouble with someone else (perhaps he/she called the cops on you) rather than you being in trouble specifically with him/her.  If it is the latter, however, I'll have to agree that it does indeed sound strange.


Another massively annoying one that just popped into my head is when people say "I seen it" instead of "I saw it".  And of course there's the classic "I could care less", but I think a lot more people are finally starting to say that one properly.
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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2012, 03:26:41 AM »

Another massively annoying one that just popped into my head is when people say "I seen it" instead of "I saw it".
That's mostly a lack of education (possibly even dialectic in some cases). My intention in this thread was to point out how careless and lazy our otherwise well educated younger citizens have become in their use of the language.

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« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2012, 03:30:34 AM »
There is an aspect of this thread that strikes me very forcibly. It is an important point in my opinion. I shall attempt to summarise ("summarize") it as clearly and as fairly as I can. Many of the complaints put forward about "bad grammar" are in fact moans about speech patterns and usages which are in fact dialect or regional variants. English has dialects. Some of these have achieved scholarly status - US Standard English, British Standard English, etc. Others are more casual and informal, but I would hesitant to label them "wrong" in every situation. "I did not know where Jim was at" might be inappropriate in a piece of formal prose but perfectly fine in relaxed conversation in certain zones of the English speaking world. We all have our pet hates (I particularly dislike misuses of  'of'  e.g. "I would of gone sooner" which are common in Bristol, England, where I live -- even worse, "I would of gone sooner if I had of known it was that big of a deal"*) but a language scholar would merely note them as dialect variants. They can bring colour ("color") and life to speech and without them we would all talk like books.

* The first 'of' replaces the standard 'have', and the second and third are nonstandard insertions.


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Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2012, 06:52:58 AM »
That being said the Vice-Principal is still a jerk...
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    Re: My Personal Grammar Gripes
    « Reply #44 on: September 02, 2012, 09:20:46 AM »
    Far be it for me (living in a glass house as i do) to be casting aspersions on the inappropriate use of language by others. As was very recently exemplified in a subject title here on the CH forums i am quite capable of misusing my mother tongue. As i stated much earlier language is an evolving process and is influenced by many dynamics some of which are not controlled by the user.
    I particularly feel a kinship with the sentiment of ST in post 42  which to me points out some of the influencing factors affecting language evolution. It is not an excuse nor a free pass to the communicator  to not apply due diligence when seeking to express thought through the medium of communication (whatever the method) that attention should be paid to the words or phrases used. However i would not want that to become an impediment to communication. We all have varying backgrounds and from that a similar variance in exposure to how our personal level of language abilities have evolved. I would not want to curtail nor stigmatize a person because of what i might believe is less than adequate grammar skills. Better in my opinion to have the communication which can lead to gained knowledge and understanding as opposed to potential suspicion and mistrust.  truenorth