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denisaf

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    booting failure
    « on: October 09, 2012, 06:00:20 PM »
    Windows 98SE. I have had the occasional booting failure on my other desk top computer. A screen with detail of the booting process in white on black appears with instructions to press keys: doing that and nothing happens. About five minutes later another white on black screen appears. It has 'DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER'. I then turned it off and left it over night as previously the new booting would work. In the morning the first screen appeared but later the booting completed. I then did some EXCEL edit but later this froze so I turned the PC off. When I then tried to reboot, it got to the second screen again. Is this anything I can do to remedy this intermittent booting failure as it now seems to have got a lot worse?

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    Re: booting failure
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 06:03:46 PM »
    Why in the world are you using Windows 98se? That system hasn't received security updates in years from Microsoft, you're lucky the system ran up until now -- it's vulnerable to every computer virus that's come out since about the turn of the millenium.
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      Re: booting failure
      « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 06:28:37 PM »
      I only use the Windows 98 PC for editing my writing in Word and for my Excel spreadsheets. This PC has Windows 7 and I use it for the Internet and all new writing and spreadsheets.

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      « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 12:33:40 AM »
      It sounds like you might have hardware problems and the disk certainly looks suspect. Why don't you just edit them on the Windows 7 machine? If you're having troubles importing the old docs into MS Office, you might want to try OpenOffice.
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        Re: booting failure
        « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 02:31:05 AM »
        Thanks ninjatex for that comment. I have never used OpenOffice so I will have to go through a learning process with the aid of Help.

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        Re: booting failure
        « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2012, 06:19:27 AM »
        Seems like the Hard Drive is on the way out on that machine. It might just be taking longer to spin up, so you might try letting it warm up a bit at the error screen and then resetting it with Control-Alt-Delete. I'd also suggest running scandisk with the Surface scan option selected. This will take a very long time so make sure you won't need the machine in the meantime.
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          « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2012, 12:11:04 PM »
          Thank you B_C_Programmer. I did what you suggested and it booted. Do you recommend I stop using that Windows 98PC. It is physically on the Home network through a Dlink router but the file sharing does not work.

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          Re: booting failure
          « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2012, 12:22:49 AM »
          Do you recommend I stop using that Windows 98PC.
          if it still works for what you need, I don't see a reason to stop. However, If the hard drive is on the way out you should make sure to store anything you want to keep on a removable drive. With a USB Flash drive Windows 98SE is usually pretty finicky but with aftermarket packs like the Unofficial Service Pack for 98SE you can get some nifty features that we take for granted in later OS versions.

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          It is physically on the Home network through a Dlink router but the file sharing does not work.
          With Windows98 you can share a folder, but in order for Vista or later to access it, it cannot have a password.

          Revisiting the common issue that people bring up (and has been brought up here as well) about Windows 98 Security. There is a point to be made there, however:

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          it's vulnerable to every computer virus that's come out since about the turn of the millenium.
          Pretty much every piece of malware in the wild simply will not run on Windows 98. Windows 98 is not secure, but it is also no longer targeted.
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            Re: booting failure
            « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2012, 04:18:11 PM »
            I continue to use the 98 PC to work on my spreadsheets and for editing of my old writings. I use the 7 PC for the Internet and for new writings. I have now purchased a 32GB USB Flash Drive for storage of 98 PC files. This will replace the CD backup system I have used for years. Thanks for that suggestion. I would still like to be able to share files and print between the two PCs.

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            Re: booting failure
            « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 06:02:51 PM »
            ...I would still like to be able to share files and print between the two PCs...
            Router with USB port.  USB port can be used for shared printer and/or storage device.

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              Re: booting failure
              « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2012, 06:22:19 PM »
              My thanks for the suggestions which have enabled me to make decisions about how to cope with this problem. This topic can now be closed.

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                Re: booting failure
                « Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 10:15:34 PM »
                The USB Flash Drive I obtained works with the Windows 7 PC but not with the Windows 98 PC. The present 98SE does not provide the driver so I will have to download the suggested Unofficial Service Pack for 98SE, after I have backed up the system using CDs.

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                  Re: booting failure
                  « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 04:47:06 PM »
                  I went to the site for which Computer-Commando provided the link. Downloaded nusb33e for Windows 98SE. Clicked on nusb33e icon on desk top. List on instructions appeared. Went to Device Manager to remove listed items. There were no "drivers for USB flash drives" to remove. There were no drivers for "any USB 2.0 controllers" to remove. I did not remove "any unknown devices". Clicked on Yes on the list and it appears installation was carried out but the expected instructions on how to proceed did not appear. Put USB flash drive (San Disk Cruzer Switch) in port.  "Install-flash-player-9(2)" icon had appeared on the desk top. Clicking on that started "Adobe Flash Player Plugin Setup" but that stopped half way through. On the second try it finished. My Computer did not show the USB flash drive so I cannot use it. But Device Manager now shows "Cruzer Switch" under "USB Root Hub" with a "?" in front of it. clearly I have missed doing something!

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                  Re: booting failure
                  « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 09:32:30 AM »