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Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« on: February 25, 2013, 03:51:55 AM »
Full story at MajorGeeks. Controversial 6 strike anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week

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Take note that this is not designed to go after large scale pirates, many who are overseas, but instead goes after the casual user. This means you. It will issue escalating punishments reducing your connection speed after the 5th or 6th offense.

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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2013, 08:11:31 PM »
So copyright owners are in cahoots with the PTP networks? Unless they are actively giving users the files via PTP protocols, they wouldn't know who's downloading which file. ISPs can recognize if someone's using PTP-type ports (and some ISPs have been known to throttle users for it), but not specific files.
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2013, 10:42:03 PM »
There will probably be a bunch of kids getting in trouble for causing their parents Internet speeds to be restricted lol.

It's kind of irritating actually. Our ISP's obviously monitor traffic, bandwidth and so on but for this to work that means they are monitoring everything we download and upload. I don't like that.

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2013, 06:30:46 AM »
Sounds like in the the guise of attempting to do the right thing they have decided that infringing on personal freedoms is no big deal once again...
I don't recall any high Courts ruling on this giving them a green light to do so...
Don't mis-understand my point...i don't agree with anyone violating copyright infringement...artists should be paid for what they create...however i detest the abuse of powers to do this even more...
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2013, 07:43:06 AM »
The interesting thing about this is that, fundamentally, the Music industry and Software industries were fine with Piracy, it was when they became more available to the general population- rather than something more "underworldy" that they started to sit up and take action.

This is also why most of this focuses on punishing the End-Consumer, rather than those that Distribute it. Make no mistake that there are lots of people involved. There are Couriers- who basically work to get the software product to the Crackers. These people typically work in a Boxing factory or a factory that stamps the CDs or DVDs, if the product is on DVD. Other times they work on the distribution service that makes them available, such as Valve (Steam), and are able to push out a version of that digital copy  to the cracker. Couriers are generally well paid.

The Cracker does what one might imagine; they basically break any copy protection on the product.

Once a product is cracked, the distributors jump in. These are usually people that took control of a powerful internet backbone and can upload and download several gigabytes of files in a few seconds. They take the "finished" pirate copy and spread it around underground sites. These underground sites generally pay them based on how fast they get the 'release'. Payments on the order of several thousand were not unheard of in the mid-2000's.

Finally, a more "well-known" site, such as the Pirate Bay or another site that is available by searching for "torrents" grabs the data and somebody uploads a torrent.

There are a lot of ways to fight piracy given this, but the general consensus is that while they cannot really stop the underground piracy, they can try to put a stop to the rampant piracy of software (and music) that consumers have been partaking in more recently.
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2013, 09:23:40 AM »
To quote part of what you as usual illustrated with clarity and details as usual here is what i have an issue with...

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This is also why most of this focuses on punishing the End-Consumer, rather than those that Distribute it.
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 09:38:40 AM »
To quote part of what you as usual illustrated with clarity and details as usual here is what i have an issue with...

Me too. It's something like if Book publishers had to deal with a ring of organized criminals copying their books and selling them on the street, and instead of dealing with the employees that leaked manuscripts, the people that transcribe them, or the people that are selling them on the street, they are instead targeting the people that have these counterfeit books, which feels like going about it the wrong way.
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2013, 11:19:24 AM »
The war on drugs - The US spent billions in creating task forces to go into South America and cut off the supply of drugs coming into the country. It didn't take long to figure out that you can not kill a snake that immediately grows a new head every time you cut it off. The response? Instead of just shoveling money into a bottomless pit, build more prisons and go after the street level users and dealers. The war on drugs failed and will always be there. However there will always be the low level user/dealer to arrest and charge restitution (that they usually can't afford to pay) and send to prison. In turn it generates more revenue.

DRM - Failed!!! Off shore file hosts are the new drug kingpins. It's too costly to go after them because you can not kill a snake who grows a new head each time you cut it off. The compromise? Instead of just shoveling money into a bottomless pit, go after the home based supplier and consumer. The DRM laws failed and will always be an issue. However there will always be the low level citizen to punish and fine.

It's economics. It simply costs too much to go after the big fish and going after home users actually generates revenue/taxes through higher bills and the fines that are sure to come will generate revenue for the government either at state or federal level or both.

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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2013, 03:27:09 PM »
But is it worth it to have ISP's have that kinda control because doin it the right way is too expensive ? ?
If they put all the money they spend yearly to stop piracy into a kitty and doled it out to the artists or Co.s crying foul there would be more than enough to go around...
Let MGM and Disney and all these extremely wealthy conglomerates HAVE to prove on paper what they think their loss of revenue is before they get a check at the end of the year..that'll keep 'em busy...put the onus and burden of proof on them and their silly bean counters...
Don't kick down one more freedom i have to lose at the expense of others who could give 2 shirts about the end user/little guy....enough is enough !
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 03:31:30 PM »
And now that i've calmed down somewhat i have to say that both you B.C. and evilfantasy made excellent points illustrating the issue.
I'm just getting a tad bit tired of seeing personal freedoms dissipating in front of our daily lives for the so called expense of the common good...
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2013, 03:45:51 PM »

I wasn't agreeing with them. Just trying to connect the dots as to why they would come after the consumer instead of the source. I don't like it one bit and my ISP isn't even on the hit list (yet, Cox).

If they put all the money they spend yearly to stop piracy into a kitty and doled it out to the artists or Co.s crying foul there would be more than enough to go around...

I thought about that last night. I'm sure the ISP's could legally slip in an add-on charge of $3 to $5 a month to repay the companies that can prove they have been loosing revenue. That would be a big cluster flock though. Invading our privacy is much easier and already being done so why not exploit us even more...

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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2013, 03:55:35 PM »
No...no extra ISP charges.

My point was use the hundreds of millions already being spent to stop it...since the policies arent effective than use the existing monies being spent effectively...

And i didn't state that you were agreeing...i should have cooled off and been more literate in my Post...
Sorry...
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013, 04:04:08 PM »
No offense was taken. :)

The thing is that the millions already being spent are being spent by those crying foul. I do believe that they started using those millions to lobby for new regulations and laws giving the ISP control and/or making them responsible. Straight up under the table deals being made IMHO.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013, 04:34:26 PM »
Part of my reason for the mini-rant...in the U.S. now the Gov't seems to think they need to regulate our every action in day to day life...each time they do so we lose another right or priveledge.
I had to explain to my 79 year old Aunt the other day why she had to pay a $80.00 ticket for not having a seat belt on going to the grocery store 3 blocks away...
Because it's the law was pretty much as strong as an argument i could come up with.

She stated well their crazy...and i agreed.
I paid her ticket the next day at City Hall.

And i don't want to steer too far into politics on an open Forum...but unfortunately it's becoming un-avoidable when discussing almost anything these days...again being part of my point.
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Re: Anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week (USA)
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2013, 04:44:38 PM »
I had a nice short politically charged reply typed up but I think I'll just keep that thought to myself. ;)