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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2014, 05:53:40 PM »
This is fascinating.
Excuse me for asking. Is there really some underwear issue here?
Like if you are going to a beach party, you don't wear the same underwear you would if going to the Opera at Carnegie Hall.


So is an OS like that? Does the underwear have to change to fit the outer garment style?  Or is in not visible stuff just a shell on top of a general purpose OS? Can we not have one low-level base that could support any kind of exterior style?

Curious minds need to know.



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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 06:00:09 PM »
Personally I'm just dreading the day when the Desktop and browser I use are forced to change into something I don't like. It's a long way away but I'm pretty confident it is coming.

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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2014, 06:26:40 PM »
Personally I'm just dreading the day when the Desktop and browser I use are forced to change into something I don't like. It's a long way away but I'm pretty confident it is coming.

Well, MS is listening but IMHO only trying to migrate the traditional desktop users to Metro with a halfway sincere effort in bringing the Start Menu back just to quiet the complaints. A new Windows 8.1 update tries to win back desktop diehards

Quote from: Ed Bott for The Ed Bott Report - ZDNet
A word of warning: If you’re a Metro hater, this update will do almost nothing to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. The Windows 7-style Start menu does not make a comeback here (although Microsoft has said it intends to include a Start menu in a future update). This update sticks with the fundamental design principles of the Windows 8 interface, and nothing in it comes close to restoring the Windows 7 desktop interface. It is still the Windows 8.x interface, evolved, with that evolution clearly driven by powerful negative feedback.

The end game to me clearly doesn't include the traditional desktop. Touch and keyboard are the vision. To me that's just plain stupid. The mouse gives me so much more "freedom" because 1) I very seldom want to be within arms reach of my monitor and 2) I am not and don't have a desire to use keyboard shortcuts in the place of a mouse.

Quote from: Ed Bott for The Ed Bott Report - ZDNet
Some of the changes that are at the core of the Windows 8.1 Update won’t really be visible until we see new PCs with this version of Windows installed as the base operating system. For traditional PCs that are designed for use with a keyboard and a mouse, the new OS will be configured to go to the desktop by default. It will also be less of a disk-space and memory hog, making it possible for this version of Windows to run on tablets with as little as 16 GB of flash storage.

I do like the look of the new Start Menu. I can live with that and will prefer it over Metro.

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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
I have a few reasons to think that Microsoft does not intend to replace the standard Desktop.

The main one is that Windows Store applications- all of them- basically any program that runs with the Modern UI, have ridiculously heavy restrictions. If what you claim was true, than the end result would be that no applications would be able to access the local system, at all. a Modern UI application cannot read or write to the local hard drive, it cannot even use third-party libraries (I know this since I wanted to make a Store App that used Postgres but of course I couldn't references the postgres library). Fact is that All Modern UI applications are weaker than any desktop counterpart. The reason for both of these are simple: Modern UI applications are not designed for use on PCs, they are designed for tablets and smartphones- both of which have had similar restrictions on software that runs on them for quite some time.

Additionally, Consider the applications that Microsoft currently offers.

Now consider how many of those have Modern UI equivalents. I can't think of many, to be honest; Office 2013 is still a standard x86 and x64 Windows Application and runs on the desktop. What's my point? Windows 95 was the last major shift. They introduced the Taskbar, 32-bit Software, the Start Menu, and effectively a entirely new way of interacting with the Operating System. It is equivalent- in almost every way I can think of- to what is claimed through your theory with Windows 8- a complete rework of how the System is used.

Microsoft had a version of Word that ran on Windows 95, using Native Windows 95 components and shell capabilities, on the same say that Windows 95 was released to the general public- Office 95 was released on the same day as Windows 95, on August 24, 1995.

In that case Microsoft was seeking to replace the old way of doing things.

If they sought to do the same thing with Windows 8, why has there not been a version of any Office program written for this so-called replacement, almost two years after that version was released? Same for their other programs; Microsoft released versions of their Development Tools that ran on Windows 95 as Windows 95 programs; they released versions of their Browser, SQL Server, and innumerable other software packages to run on Windows 95 as native Windows 95, 32-bit applications.

In contrast their "support" in the same way of the Modern UI has been sparse. Only thing I can think of is Internet Explorer.

That's why I don't think that is at all their goal. Because it has been their goal to do this sort of thing in the past and they have been quick and decisive in pushing it forward. They seeded the new environment of Windows 95 with several of their flagship products. There is no "flagship support" from Microsoft's largest product suites for Windows 8's Modern UI. Which to me means that the core premise that they want to completely replace it is incorrect. (or, they forgot how to perform a declarative switch over like they did with Windows 95).
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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2014, 08:05:47 PM »
a Modern UI application cannot read or write to the local hard drive, it cannot even use third-party libraries

Metro apps and desktop software are programmed to stand on their own instead of being cross-platform. Just like how you can't run Android or iOS apps on Windows.

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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2014, 11:54:18 AM »
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Re: Mozilla cancels Modern UI version of Firefox for Windows 8.x
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2014, 12:58:45 PM »
Hehe... AOL in 1996 compared to Windows 8 in 2012



I covered that, coincidentally. I was actually expecting a LOT of downvotes...

For convenience, here is what I posted as a comment on the reddit thread:

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I was concerned when I made this new build and decided to use my MSDN subscription to plonk Windows 8.1 Pro onto it instead of Win7.

I barely even notice the difference, honestly. I just don't use the Start Screen. The amount of change for me has about been on par with when I switched to XP from 98SE. I distinctly recall loudly complaining about the changed Control Panel and the Fisher-Price default theme and it's performance implications, and I was not the only one. Windows XP's Reception was not anymore positive than Windows 8 or Even Vista. And the number of complaints and hate for XP that can be found in old forum posts is a striking analog to what we can find now with Windows 8 or even for older Posts from when Vista was released.

But I guess those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.



Metro apps and desktop software are programmed to stand on their own instead of being cross-platform. Just like how you can't run Android or iOS apps on Windows.
I just created a empty Modern UI App with VS 2013. Changed the Debugger to use the Windows Phone Simulator and it ran there with the same bits as it ran on my desktop.

This is why I cannot reference npgsql.dll as I needed to previously. Because it runs on RT and won't let me reference libraries that are platform-specific.
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