Will this all work together?

[computerNoob898]

UPDATED LINK will this all work together http://pcpartpicker.com/user/computerNoob898/saved/4jWA ? Don't know from estimate wattage on top the list because I added custom video card.

[lostcoast]

list what card it is full make and model and what name maker.

[computerNoob898]

list what card it is full make and model and what name maker.

its at the bottom of the list under custom.

[lostcoast]

you should upgrade that card to a 750ti  and the power supply is fine for wattage needed

[computerNoob898]

you should upgrade that card to a 750ti  and the power supply is fine for wattage needed

isn't 560 ti and 750 ti about the same performance? look here http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

[camerongray]

The 750ti is much newer so even though it may be similar to the 560ti in benchmarks, it will have more features and is much more power efficient (I used to have a 560ti and it was a great card, but I bought that back in 2011).

That power supply is okay but is an older model - This is a newer, better unit and is a lot cheaper: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9

You don't need all those fans at all - All you'll end up doing is making the PC very loud.  Just get two fans - Put one in the front intaking and one in the back exhausting - That will provide more than enough cooling for the system and the money you save would cover a 750ti.  The CPU also includes a cooler for itself so you don't need to buy a separate CPU cooler either.

You may also want to replace that board with one that supports USB 3.0 and SATA III.

I'd also strongly recommend getting a better case, that one you have will be very cheaply made - A better one will be quieter and easier to build in - They also often include fans from the factory.

Also consider getting two matched sticks of RAM rather than just a single one - This way they will run in Dual Channel mode which is faster.

[camerongray]

Here's a list with a few changes I made: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3pk8p

I changed the PSU to that better one I mentioned earlier, added the 750ti and removed all the fans.  I also swapped the motherboard for a better one that supports USB 3.0 and SATA III (Which you'd really need if you get an SSD in the future).  I then replaced the case with a much better made one from Fractal Design which will include all the fans you need.  I also swapped out the RAM for a pair of 2gb sticks.

All this, for $4 more.

[Calum]

isn't 560 ti and 750 ti about the same performance? look here http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

The 750ti is much newer so even though it may be similar to the 560ti in benchmarks, it will have more features and is much more power efficient (I used to have a 560ti and it was a great card, but I bought that back in 2011).

In addition, that site is next to useless for comparing video card performance, I would disregard it entirely as many results are hilariously incorrect.

The 750Ti and 560Ti are fairly close in performance in most cases, but the 750Ti usually edges the older card out.  In addition, camerongray is right that the 750Ti is much newer and much more power efficient, it's a real step forward especially in terms of performance per watt.

[computerNoob898]

Here's a list with a few changes I made: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3pk8p

I changed the PSU to that better one I mentioned earlier, added the 750ti and removed all the fans.  I also swapped the motherboard for a better one that supports USB 3.0 and SATA III (Which you'd really need if you get an SSD in the future).  I then replaced the case with a much better made one from Fractal Design which will include all the fans you need.  I also swapped out the RAM for a pair of 2gb sticks.

All this, for $4 more.

the asus is usb 3.0. you need to do the legwork.

[camerongray]

the asus is usb 3.0. you need to do the legwork.

It is USB 3.0 yes, however it does not have SATA III.  You also need to watch your manners, you pick on the ASUS having USB 3.0 and say I need to do legwork, blatantly ignoring the fact that I gave you a lot of help and spent a lot of my own time selecting parts for you.

[computerNoob898]

It is USB 3.0 yes, however it does not have SATA III.  You also need to watch your manners, you pick on the ASUS having USB 3.0 and say I need to do legwork, blatantly ignoring the fact that I gave you a lot of help and spent a lot of my own time selecting parts for you.

sorry didn't mean to offend you

[computerNoob898]

can you put a 80mm case fan on a 120mm fan port?

[camerongray]

It depends if the case supports this - Some do, some don't - As you are buying everything new, just get a 120mm fan.  As I said though, there's very little need to fuss about fans - Most decent cases like the Fractal Design I used include enough fans to cool the system sufficiently.  For a machine like yours, you should only need 2 fans.

[computerNoob898]

It depends if the case supports this - Some do, some don't - As you are buying everything new, just get a 120mm fan.  As I said though, there's very little need to fuss about fans - Most decent cases like the Fractal Design I used include enough fans to cool the system sufficiently.  For a machine like yours, you should only need 2 fans.

can the one specifically I pick support 80mm. it has 120mm ports. im trying to save money.

[camerongray]

The original link you posted doesn't seem to work.  I would however strongly urge you to get a better case than that "ultra" one you had - They are very low quality so will feel cheap, be loud and rattly and difficult to build in.  A 120mm fan shouldn't cost too much more than an 80mm one, if this is happening then you are looking at really low end fans that will likely be very loud and low quality.

Have you looked at the parts list I posted?  It worked out $4 cheaper and was significantly better.

[computerNoob898]

The original link you posted doesn't seem to work.  I would however strongly urge you to get a better case than that "ultra" one you had - They are very low quality so will feel cheap, be loud and rattly and difficult to build in.  A 120mm fan shouldn't cost too much more than an 80mm one, if this is happening then you are looking at really low end fans that will likely be very loud and low quality.

Have you looked at the parts list I posted?  It worked out $4 cheaper and was significantly better.

yes ive look ty. but heres the case i want http://pcpartpicker.com/part/ultra-case-u1241570 . if link dont work
heres model "Ultra XBlaster V2 U12-41570" im trying to save as much money as i can. im a noob builder so im paying 50 USD for a store to build it.

[camerongray]

That will take 80mm fans then but just get 120mm ones, they don't cost much more and should be quieter.  But as I've said before - That is a very cheap and nasty case - You get what you pay for.

im a noob builder so im paying 50 USD for a store to build it.

Seriously think about building it yourself - You won't learn unless you do it.  For a build like this especially, it will be very simple to put together and there are plenty of guides on the internet as well as this forum/chat to help you if you get stuck.

If you are intent on getting that cheap case, at least look at the other changes I made as they will vastly improve the performance of the system.

[computerNoob898]

That will take 80mm fans then but just get 120mm ones, they don't cost much more and should be quieter.  But as I've said before - That is a very cheap and nasty case - You get what you pay for.
Seriously think about building it yourself - You won't learn unless you do it.  For a build like this especially, it will be very simple to put together and there are plenty of guides on the internet as well as this forum/chat to help you if you get stuck.

If you are intent on getting that cheap case, at least look at the other changes I made as they will vastly improve the performance of the system.

i have no experience. and dont want to die from an electric shock. also dont want to lose the tiny screws from dropping them. yes ive looked at yours ty . changing some parts out  that doesnt support graphics for cheaper ones, like the harddrive. im paying a certified professional to build it  .

[camerongray]

i have no experience. and dont want to die from an electric shock. also dont want to lose the tiny screws from dropping them. yes ive looked at yours ty . im paying a certified professional to build it  .

The only way I can think of shocking yourself enough to die is by opening the PSU, plugging it in and then touching stuff and the screws aren't that tiny.  See if this "certified professional" has other PC builds they have done for you to look at - I've seen a lot of "certified professionals" build PCs and they have been terrible.

What is the final parts list you are going to order?

[computerNoob898]

The only way I can think of shocking yourself enough to die is by opening the PSU, plugging it in and then touching stuff and the screws aren't that tiny.  See if this "certified professional" has other PC builds they have done for you to look at - I've seen a lot of "certified professionals" build PCs and they have been terrible.

What is the final parts list you are going to order?

working on it. im using yours but changing parts that doesnt effect graphics like harddrive. im paying "Geek Squad" from "Bestbuy" they are highly trained pros, nothing should go wrong  .

[patio]

Heee hee.

[camerongray]

im paying "Geek Squad" from "Bestbuy" they are highly trained pros, nothing should go wrong  .

I really hope that's a joke - I wouldn't trust Geek Squad to fix any of my machines, let alone build one!

[patio]

They use the "fog" test for their techs...
They blow on a mirror...if it fogs up then their Techs.

[computerNoob898]

I really hope that's a joke - I wouldn't trust Geek Squad to fix any of my machines, let alone build one!

i had them fix 2 of my laptops from warranty. everything was perfectly fixed. 

[camerongray]

Diagnosing and fixing a laptop is easy for them - All they do is work with a flowchart and follow a strict process.  I'm sure they can build a PC and it will work, but I'd be surprised if they put a lot of effort in to making it neat and tidy inside and testing everything properly.

Any luck with a final list of parts?

[computerNoob898]

Diagnosing and fixing a laptop is easy for them - All they do is work with a flowchart and follow a strict process.  I'm sure they can build a PC and it will work, but I'd be surprised if they put a lot of effort in to making it neat and tidy inside and testing everything properly.

Any luck with a final list of parts?

getting close to finish

[computerNoob898]

can you put a different ram type in a mobo board? example, can i put a 1600 or 1866 ddr3 in a 1333/1066 ddr3 mobo? and how to keep the higher numbers?

[camerongray]

Yes, it will just run at a lower speed.  But if you are looking at boards that only run at 1333/1066 then you should rethink that board, it's clearly old technology.

[computerNoob898]

"MSI 970A-G43" and "Ultra - XBlaster U12-415"? trying to save money .

[camerongray]

Avoid MSI motherboards along with ASRock - Stick to Gigabyte or ASUS.  MSI and ASRock are budget brands.

[computerNoob898]

Avoid MSI motherboards along with ASRock - Stick to Gigabyte or ASUS.  MSI and ASRock are budget brands.

yes exactly. dont you remember i told you im on a budget.

[computerNoob898]

which is better in CPU? more GHz, cores, bus speed, or cache? or something else?

[Allan]

I deleted one of your threads. Keep everything in this thread.

[camerongray]

which is better in CPU? more GHz, cores, bus speed, or cache? or something else?

It's very difficult to gauge CPU performance by those terms nowadays, the only decent way you can do it is based on where they are positioned in the range of low to high end and then by real world benchmarks and performance tests.

If you posted the CPUs you are thinking about here we can take a look at their performance?  What was wrong with the FX-6300 you had earlier?

yes exactly. dont you remember i told you im on a budget.

Again, watch your attitude.  When I say budget brands I mean they are lower quality than something like Gigabyte or ASUS but the price difference between them isn't big enough to be worthwhile getting MSI/ASRock over them.  Just because you are "on a budget" doesn't mean you should cut corners at every possible opportunity, otherwise you'll end up with a low quality system.

[computerNoob898]

It's very difficult to gauge CPU performance by those terms nowadays, the only decent way you can do it is based on where they are positioned in the range of low to high end and then by real world benchmarks and performance tests.

If you posted the CPUs you are thinking about here we can take a look at their performance?  What was wrong with the FX-6300 you had earlier?
Again, watch your attitude.  When I say budget brands I mean they are lower quality than something like Gigabyte or ASUS but the price difference between them isn't big enough to be worthwhile getting MSI/ASRock over them.  Just because you are "on a budget" doesn't mean you should cut corners at every possible opportunity, otherwise you'll end up with a low quality system.

  ill post soon need to gather up some. but which is better for gaming, should i choose GPU or CPU, which one to sacrafice?

[patio]

Bottom line in all of this as i see it is budget and gaming shouldn't be in the same sentence...you get what you pay for.

[camerongray]

  ill post soon need to gather up some. but which is better for gaming, should i choose GPU or CPU, which one to sacrafice?

For gaming you generally GPU is more important up until a certain point but you need a good CPU/GPU balance.  What was wrong with the original system of a FX-6300 and GeForce 750ti - This gave a very good balance for a good price.

Gaming PCs aren't cheap, the sheer price shouldn't be the first thing on your mind - If you need something cheap then your best bet is a console.  You can only cut down on a PC to a certain extent without impacting the quality - The link I posted is really the lowest I would ever consider going.

[computerNoob898]

what kind of cords for psu to get it running?

[camerongray]

what kind of cords for psu to get it running?

As I already told you on IRC, you need a standard IEC/Kettle lead.

The more important thing is - What parts are you looking at?  Are you being deliberately vague?

[computerNoob898]

As I already told you on IRC, you need a standard IEC/Kettle lead.

The more important thing is - What parts are you looking at?  Are you being deliberately vague?

I still ask because Im still not sure whats it called. is it called iec/kettle lead or something else?

[camerongray]

I still ask because Im still not sure whats it called. is it called iec/kettle lead or something else?

It is the standard lead you would use for any PC - Any computer store will know what you are talking about.  Chances are the PSU will include it anyway.

And again, what parts list do you have now?

[computerNoob898]

It is the standard lead you would use for any PC - Any computer store will know what you are talking about.  Chances are the PSU will include it anyway.

And again, what parts list do you have now?

the first link I posted at chat

[camerongray]

the first link I posted at chat

So this one? http://pcpartpicker.com/user/computerNoob898/saved/4lKk

I don't even know where to start on that one - MSI motherboard that's no cheaper than a better Gigabyte one, a $84.99 case despite you claiming that you couldn't afford anything better than that "Ultra" one earlier and a ridiculously overpriced piece of junk power supply.

Are you seriously just mucking around now because you seem to be asking for help then completely ignoring what is being said.

Once again, look at the parts list I posted ages ago: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3pk8p.  In comparison it works out around the same price, has a better board, hard drive, RAM (dual channel), power supply and video card. Why have you never seemed to even mention this or comment on it?

[computerNoob898]

So this one? http://pcpartpicker.com/user/computerNoob898/saved/4lKk

I don't even know where to start on that one - MSI motherboard that's no cheaper than a better Gigabyte one, a $84.99 case despite you claiming that you couldn't afford anything better than that "Ultra" one earlier and a ridiculously overpriced piece of junk power supply.

Are you seriously just mucking around now because you seem to be asking for help then completely ignoring what is being said.

Once again, look at the parts list I posted ages ago: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3pk8p.  In comparison it works out around the same price, has a better board, hard drive, RAM (dual channel), power supply and video card. Why have you never seemed to even mention this or comment on it?

no not that this http://pcpartpicker.com/user/computerNoob898/saved/4lKa

[camerongray]

no not that this http://pcpartpicker.com/user/computerNoob898/saved/4lKa

Well, I'll just ignore the fact that you claimed that that was the "wrong link" on IRC.  That is still not a good build - CPU is weaker and more expensive than a FX-6300, Board is still MSI, Less RAM and running in single channel, very expensive case and a very unknown PSU that is very expensive.

For the nth time, what about the build I linked?  Why are you simply ignoring it?

[patio]

I predict 6 pages on this one...

[camerongray]

I predict 6 pages on this one...

Probably already have that if you count up all the other threads