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Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« on: May 29, 2016, 06:27:09 PM »
Yeah, it finally happened.... it went over tithe edge.

Unless this is some kind of prank...MS will never hear the end of this.
http://bgr.com/2016/05/28/block-windows-10-update-registry-tool/
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By Chris Mills on May 28, 2016 at 11:11 AM

Maybe its not a joke..  :o

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2016, 06:35:08 PM »
Win Tin ? ?...

It's photoshopped.
" Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined. "

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2016, 06:49:05 PM »
Win Tin ? ?...

It's photoshopped.
No, it was not. Or it is a drtamatization of what did happen.
In took place back in April.

Pepple are now blaming Microsft for the bad wheter.  ::)

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2016, 06:59:52 PM »
There's more.
You can find a lotmore of tghis stuff everywhere.
Facebook.
Twitter.
You Tube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Dy_uGW6iI
This time they really did go way too far.
Some professionsals can nearly lost work projects because trhe Widows 10 thsing is intgrusive. The ughe download also eats lyour bandwidth if yhou areon a limited service. Which means you have to shell out more money to get the stuff yhour really want.

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2016, 09:57:54 PM »
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No, it was not. Or it is a drtamatization of what did happen.

Source ? ?
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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2016, 10:41:25 PM »
Source ? ?
BC beat me .
It was not a photo shop thing.It is from footage from the TV station
KCCI is channel 8 in Des Moines, Iowa.
http://www.kcci.com/
The blooper was  on April 26,  this year.
The station itself reported the blooper and many other sources.
Windows 10 notice appears during live TV weathercast
This makes the update a security risk.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/28/11525418/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-prompt-storms-weather-report
http://betanews.com/2016/04/27/windows-10-interrupts-live-tv-broadcast/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WumCZLTpfKw

No very good PR.
No action against Microsoft has been published. Nat yet.    8)

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 12:18:15 AM »
I don't think there is much basis for any action, actually.

Competent IT staff should have been able to nip the problem in the bud before there was any damage to these companies. What kind of an IT staff at a place like that pushes updates without smoke-testing them in the intended software environment?

I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2016, 01:28:26 AM »
I don't think there is much basis for any action, actually.

Competent IT staff should have been able to nip the problem in the bud before there was any damage to these companies. What kind of an IT staff at a place like that pushes updates without smoke-testing them in the intended software environment?
A TV station is mostly made of engineers, technicians and actors who are involved with their medium. The spend very little time on IT issues, other that what relates directly to their work. Never before has MS pulled a stunt like this. It came unwanted or unexpectedly to perhaps 5000,000 users. (Based on the number of download of the Never 10 application.)
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/65706/steve-gibsons-never-10-helps-turn-off-windows-10-upgrade-announcement
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The inestimable Steve Gibson has chimed in with his own utility for preventing your Windows 7/8.x-based PC from ever upgrading to Windows 10 without your consent. Called Never 10, it gives control back to the user

Other related problems are now reported. 
http://betanews.com/2016/04/25/windows-10-update-problems/
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Problems reported by users following the installation of the updates (which rolled out on April 12) include broken apps, Start menu crashes, and crash loops and bluescreens.

But turning of the forced upgrade also disables needed updates. What responsible IT department will allow that?  Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2016, 08:58:26 AM »
But turning of the forced upgrade also disables needed updates.

No, it doesn't.

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2016, 10:04:11 AM »
No, it doesn't.
Well,  I must have missed it.
Please explain.
If a user is running Windows 7, how does he  stop the Windows 10 auto update without missing other updates important to the Windows 7 system?   

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2016, 10:10:53 AM »
Well,  I must have missed it.
Please explain.
If a user is running Windows 7, how does he  stop the Windows 10 auto update without missing other updates important to the Windows 7 system?   

Don't accept (in other words, decline) the Windows 10 upgrade, or use one of the many programs that offer to do this for you - perhaps by following the guide you've linked to in your original post on this topic.

I'm sorry to be blunt but there are approximately 9001 articles describing how to not upgrade to Windows 10, and you seem to have linked to most of them in your posts on the subject since MS started offering the upgrade.  By default, yes, if your installation of Windows 7 has the appropriate updates installed and meets the conditions then the upgrade will be scheduled unless the user intervenes, this does not mean that it's impossible to stay on Windows 7 and get security updates.

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2016, 11:35:01 AM »
Calum, thank you. You made your point. There are hundreds, if not thousands of articles on the subject of The Windows 10 upgrade options. If one pays attention and reads the details, there should be no issue.

Of course you  pay attention, Calum.  I try. But I don't know how many users really read the details.

A number of seasoned users claim  MS tricked them into getting Windows 10 and afterwards they found n they did not expect it to happen overnight.

In my case, I have keep a copy of Windows XP on my system. Windows auto-update will not work with XP, only windows 7 or 8 or 8.1 versions. I have my PC to auto start itself early in the morning. Then when I have finished breakfast I can reboot and get into Windows   7. And yes, I do have the Windows 10 also installed on this old Dell Desktop. When I am in Windows, the Auto Update has piped up on my screen and I dismiss it. So far I have not installed any tool that will stop it.

(Some have said that I am not entitled to have both Windows 7 and Windows 10. I disagree. I have two licenses for windows 7, so I do not think I have hurt MS in any way by using three different versions of Windows on one machine. I have as many licenses for all.)

But about the trick from Microsoft, the  changing the X to mean 'I don't care' when it used to mean 'get out of mu face' , has many veterans users up in arms. Steve Gibson is one of many, many professionals that are crying foul. But whee is the referee?
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Steve Gibson's Never 10 Helps You Turn Off the Windows 10 Upgrade ...
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/.../steve-gibsons-never-1...
Mar 28, 2016 - Steve Gibson's Never 10 Helps You Turn Off the Windows 10 ... Disables the automatic upgrade to Windows 10. .. You visited this page on 5/29/16.
Link Here:

I use Windows 10 for a specific need I have. But often I don't use it for general use. When Window 7 becomes no longer piratical, I will use a third-party program I help me adjust to the strange desktop of Windows 10.   :)

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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2016, 12:15:54 PM »
Interestingly, I've learned just a short time ago that customers of our older software have started to be upgraded to Win10 as a result of this.

Our new Windows stuff works fine in Win10, so that's not a problem. But that is a replacement for a much older set of software that runs on a separate OS, which would have sidestepped the issue except that because the OS barely works on modern systems, we run it inside a Virtual Machine on VMWare, which we run on a Windows System.

Some of those Servers the customer didn't spring for an actual Server copy of Windows, So they got upgraded to Win10 due to these latest changes. However this makes the Virtualized OS unbootable- it relies on a hardware dongle in the USB Port and on Windows 10 VMWare cannot pass-through that USB Device.

Even sites that do use a server version of Windows have been affected. While their server still runs fine (as the server versions of Windows do not upgrade to Win10) their workstations did get upgraded so they haven't been able to print through the Terminal program that connects to the mainframe, so they've been unable to print reports and such.

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"Steve Gibson" hardly belongs in the same sentence as "professional" without a strong negative.
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Re: Win Tin Auto Upgrade Goes Way, Way Too Far!
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2016, 03:57:13 PM »
Which Steve Gibson?
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Steven Gibson is an American software engineer, security researcher, and IT security proponent.[2] In the early 1980s, Gibson was best known for his work on light pen technology for use with Apple and Atari systems. In 1985, Gibson founded Gibson Research Corporation, best known for its SpinRite software.
Anybody who worked on either early Apple or Atari was an amateur.  ::)