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    Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
    « on: March 09, 2021, 08:35:27 PM »
    Anyone know brands/models of the last and best (mid-to-high end) graphics cards, having an actual VGA port? I'm not interested in connectors, adapters, or other gizmos to fit a VGA plug to any other sort of port, so that eliminates current cards. I'm interested in recommendations of legacy cards with a VGA port.

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      Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
      « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 08:39:46 AM »
      Hi, you didn't say in your post what you needed to do with the card, you are only going to be able to run older games on it it that is what you wanted. Also I don't know which country you are in, I am in the UK.

      I looked for graphics cards about 6 months ago when I was building my system - I was looking for the best graphics card I could get that had a VGA (D-SUB) port, as I could not afford a new monitor at the time.
      There is very little available with VGA brand new, and because of lockdown the availability of graphics cards is very low.

      This card is generally available, MSI GeForce GT 730 2GB DDR3 ===  https://www.ebuyer.com/738918-msi-geforce-gt-730-2gb-ddr3-vga-dual-link-dvi-d-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-n730k-2gd3h-lp    £71.49 + £5.98 delivery.
      OR this one with 4GB  ===  https://www.zotac.com/gb/product/graphics_card/geforce®-gt-730-4gb-ddr5

      I looked around for several hours for any alternatives, I could find older cards that had VGA ports, but then finding them for sale was impossible.

      GEFORCE GT 1030 2G LP OCV2:
      https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-GT-1030-2G-LP-OCV2/Overview
      You may be able to find somewhere selling it if you click on 'WHERE TO BUY'

      I saw this graphics card mentioned on another forum, but I have never bought anything from AliExpress so I cannot vouch for them, however the card's specs do look ok:
      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001339136036.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.37725746FMd7Xh&algo_pvid=7630c372-2114-4c34-9e2e-46e0c9fb052d&algo_expid=7630c372-2114-4c34-9e2e-46e0c9fb052d-13&btsid=2100bde716158079074916048ea690&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

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      Your other option is to go for a card with a DVI-I port (NOTE: not DVI-D, look for Dual-link DVI-I) this only needs the correct cable, no dongles or adapters.

      Example of cable:
      https://www.ebuyer.com/130561-xenta-dvi-i-to-vga-monitor-cable-2-metre-plex-058

      This is probably one of the top cards with DVI-I, but again, where is the stock?
      https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GTX-980-Ti-GAMING-6G-LE
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      Hope this gets you started looking around.


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        Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
        « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2021, 08:15:28 PM »


        Hi, you didn't say in your post what you needed to do with the card, you are only going to be able to run older games on it it that is what you wanted. Also I don't know which country you are in, I am in the UK.

        I looked for graphics cards about 6 months ago when I was building my system - I was looking for the best graphics card I could get that had a VGA (D-SUB) port, as I could not afford a new monitor at the time.
        There is very little available with VGA brand new, and because of lockdown the availability of graphics cards is very low.

        This card is generally available, MSI GeForce GT 730 2GB DDR3 ===  https://www.ebuyer.com/738918-msi-geforce-gt-730-2gb-ddr3-vga-dual-link-dvi-d-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-n730k-2gd3h-lp    £71.49 + £5.98 delivery.
        OR this one with 4GB  ===  https://www.zotac.com/gb/product/graphics_card/geforce®-gt-730-4gb-ddr5

        I looked around for several hours for any alternatives, I could find older cards that had VGA ports, but then finding them for sale was impossible.

        GEFORCE GT 1030 2G LP OCV2:
        https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-GT-1030-2G-LP-OCV2/Overview
        You may be able to find somewhere selling it if you click on 'WHERE TO BUY'

        I saw this graphics card mentioned on another forum, but I have never bought anything from AliExpress so I cannot vouch for them, however the card's specs do look ok:
        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001339136036.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.37725746FMd7Xh&algo_pvid=7630c372-2114-4c34-9e2e-46e0c9fb052d&algo_expid=7630c372-2114-4c34-9e2e-46e0c9fb052d-13&btsid=2100bde716158079074916048ea690&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

        ==========================================================================================
        Your other option is to go for a card with a DVI-I port (NOTE: not DVI-D, look for Dual-link DVI-I) this only needs the correct cable, no dongles or adapters.

        Example of cable:
        https://www.ebuyer.com/130561-xenta-dvi-i-to-vga-monitor-cable-2-metre-plex-058

        This is probably one of the top cards with DVI-I, but again, where is the stock?
        https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GTX-980-Ti-GAMING-6G-LE
        ==========================================================================================
        Hope this gets you started looking around.

        Thanks for your reply. Mostly my computer use is limited to surfing the net, and streaming movies from putlockers, 123movies, youtube, etc. Hopefully without freezing, stuttering, or buffering. I use Word 2003 a lot, and explore the Darknet using TAILS or Kodachi in LiveCD mode (which pretty much requires minimum 16GB RAM). Beyond that, I may start doing video encoding/editing, if I ever find anything worth burning to DVD. Unlikely but possible. I'm hoping on learning Photoshop and GIMP. That's about it. No games, torrenting or so on. Not sure how powerful a graphics card this requires, but I'm aiming for overkill, since this is a legacy-based build. I'm in USA.

        The MSI GTX 980Ti is available new from~https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980ti-gaming-6g-le/p/N82E16814127895, and used from too many sources. The "older cards that had VGA ports" are what most interests me. Remember any makes/models? I have no problem tracking down legacy components.

        I only focus on actual VGA ports, and avoid D-sub. Found out I cannot just depend on something mentioning D-sub to fit a VGA plug:
        https://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/d-sub-connectors
        All depends on the pins and configuration. I'm not inclined to gamble that it is the right kind of D-sub, so I stick to just those parts that actually list a VGA port.

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          Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
          « Reply #3 on: March 16, 2021, 04:29:37 PM »
          Here is a link to the Wikipedia page about the VGA connector - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_connector
          The VGA connector is a D-sub type DE-15, I haven't seen a graphics card or monitor with a different VGA connector, they have all had 3 rows of 5 pins for 15 pins in total.

          Are you watching the movies using the LiveCD, or in windows? I don't think using the tor network for streaming would be very stable.
          Even the cheapest graphics card, the GeForce GT 710 will handle full HD movie playback if that is causing the problem.

          One of the reasons I want a decent graphics card (after building the PC there were none available, I am using the i5-9600K graphics) is for
          video converting. The Geforce cards have CUDA cores in them, which can be used to vastly speed up the conversion process in the software that supports it, although the i5 does a pretty good job on its own and can convert a 140 min 1080p film in about 40 mins.
          Have a look at this page, it lists nearly every graphics card made going back to the 90's - I had a Radeon 9600 SE way back in 1995 (not listed, but the LE is) - have fun Googling them... https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

          This page is for checking if a card can run certain games, BUT, if you click on the GPU dropdown selection, it goes back to some quite old cards, you can then click on the picture that comes up and it will try a search on Amazon - https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/compare-graphics-cards
          You will have to be cautious here and make sure you are looking for the right interface, I presumed before that you had PCI-e in your PC, but as you are talking about a legacy build is it AGP?

          I have dabbled with photoshop, but because I scraped by for years on an old slow computer didn't use it a lot, because my PC would make it annoying to use. I got into photo editing on Paint Shop Pro, and the program got quite good over the years, and in some cases I think its better than photoshop because it has more automation and user friendliness built in. However now I have a half decent PC I will go back to relearning Photoshop again. I used GIMP in its early days, looks like its improved a lot, just downloaded it to check it out.
          I recently bought a second hand Panasonic FZ330 camera (FZ300 in USA), so I can't wait for summer so I can go out and get some photos to edit.

          Hope this helps some more.

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          Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
          « Reply #4 on: March 16, 2021, 10:59:54 PM »
          Hi Vetal,

          You are really narrowing your options with being limited to a Graphics card with VGA native support. And will be paying over the top for older technology which in most cases will use more power.
          The https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980ti-gaming-6g-le/p/N82E16814127895# you linked doesn't have a VGA connector , VGA is via an adapter from the DVI-I socket. The adapter is supplied with the card.
          You would have more options for a card with either DVI-I or display port and an adapter.
          Do you have the other parts for the system and what version of windows selected if so can you post this information.
          Also the version of Tails you ae running to check it has support for the graphics card.
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            Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
            « Reply #5 on: March 31, 2021, 04:32:26 PM »
            Thanks for your reply to my post. It occurred to me there could be a possible 'workaround' that would be acceptable, depending on how VGA ports work. I haven't managed to get Google to answer these questions, but maybe someone here can. Let's say I really require a VGA port. If the motherboard doesn't have one, but a graphics card does, will adding the graphics card get me a usable VGA port? Second scenario. Let's say the motherboard does have a VGA port, but the graphics card does not...will adding the graphics card disable the VGA port on the motherboard?

            I linked to the MSI GTX 980Ti in reply to Gizmo, who asked "where is the stock?", and I provided a source.  I'm aware it does not have a VGA port. To date, the only ones I have found are:

            ASUS GeForce GTX 750 Ti DirectX 11 GTX750TI-OC-2GD5 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card

            Palit GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) DirectX 11 NE5X56T01142-1041F 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

            ASUS 2GB Graphics Cards R7240-2GD3-L

            Asus 90YV0AL1-M0NA00 GeForce GT710 2GB DDR5 Graphics Card

            BTO NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 4GB VGA DVI HDMI PCI-E Video Graphics Card

            ZOTAC GeForce GT 730 Zone Edition 4GB DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 (x8 lanes) Graphics Card

            ZOTAC GeForce GT 740 DirectX 12 (feature level 11_0) ZT-71006-10L 2GB 128-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Low Profile Ready Video Card

            ZOTAC GeForce GT 730 DirectX 12 (feature level 11_0) ZT-71115-20L 4GB 64-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 Zone Edition Video Card

            Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST DirectX 11 65NPH7DN7WGU 2GB 192-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card

            So far as I can find out, the first two are the best of the lot, so I'm actively on the hunt. Nothing is set in stone yet. The only parts I have bought are the CM Storm Trooper case (SGC-5000-KKN1), a lot of five WD Caviar Black 1TB HDDs, four Syba mobile racks, and a Crucial 500GB MX500 SSD. The build is intended to run Win 7 Home Premium on an internal HDD, and MX Linux 17.1 on the SSD (via one of the mobile racks). I have multiple versions of TAILS, beginning with version 2.0.1


            Hi Vetal,

            You are really narrowing your options with being limited to a Graphics card with VGA native support. And will be paying over the top for older technology which in most cases will use more power.
            The https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-980ti-gaming-6g-le/p/N82E16814127895# you linked doesn't have a VGA connector , VGA is via an adapter from the DVI-I socket. The adapter is supplied with the card.
            You would have more options for a card with either DVI-I or display port and an adapter.
            Do you have the other parts for the system and what version of windows selected if so can you post this information.
            Also the version of Tails you ae running to check it has support for the graphics card.

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              Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
              « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 05:56:15 PM »
              Yeah, I'm aware of the connectors, adapters and all that rot. Tried it couple years ago. I couldn't get it to work. My computer tech that does housecalls failed, and the local computer shop could barely make it work (with my LCD monitor looking like a CRT playing a videocassette). Ended up costing me a couple hundred dollars, and kept me offline near six months. Not a can of worms I'll be opening again. Those gimmicks, along with wireless/wifi/bluetooth are banned here. If/when my monitor ever dies, and I absolutely can't find one with VGA, that is when I'll switch to DVI...until then, it's VGA across the board.

              I watch movies on my current XP Pro rig (used OptiPlex 960). I have managed to get Linux Mint in LiveCD mode to do Youtube videos, but it's pretty much useless on the freesites like putlockers, 123movies, etc., which have a plethora of popups, redirects, and subterfuges to install adware/malware. Only my XP (and the right browser addons) can handle that. Never tried with TAILS or Kodachi Linux....I just use them to safari into Darknet land. A hobby of mine.

              I had a Geforce GT 710 installed into my OptiPlex 960 with zero improvement. Even 'Darkness Prevails' on Youtube buffers at least a couple times in a half hour, and that show is just talking with little or no video. With the freesites, it's regular buffering, pixelation, sometimes freezeups. I have a used Dell Optiplex 7010 Mini-Tower, Quad Core i7 3770 (3.4GHz), 16GB DDR3 SDRAM, 1TB Hard Drive: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit rig...waiting to replace it. I've been told on other forums it has enough power to solve the video problems, but then I was told the same about the Geforce GT 710. With this custom build I'm aiming for overkill, so far as legacy parts allow.

              My OptiPlex 960 could only be upgraded to a intel core 2 quad q9550, and 8GB RAM, so definitely no match for your i5-9600k. It does what it can with what it has to work with. After 3+ years of surfing the net (over 5000 hours), with zero malware, using an EOL/EOS operating system and outdated browsers...ain't nothing to complain about. I'm hoping I can make Win 7 as bulletproof!

              My parts-list as it stands today is:

              Case: CM Storm trooper

              CPU: i7-4790k

              Cooler: Noctua NH-D14

              Motherboard:
              MSI Z97 Gaming 5
              MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming
              MSI Z97-GD65 Gaming
              MSI Z97-G45
              MSI Z97A Gaming 6

              RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X-series 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3-1600 CL9

              Video card: GeForce GTX 750 Ti  2GB or GeForce GTX 560 Ti

              DVD burner: (Two) Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/AS

              Storage:
              WD Caviar Black 1TB 3.5 7200rpm HDD
              Crucial MX500 500GB SSD

              Mobile rack: Syba SY-MRA55006

              Power Supply: Seasonic Focus 650 W80+ Gold

              The motherboards and graphic cards look to be pretty much equal, so I'll likely buy the first one I find. This is not a done deal, and the above is subject to revision until I commit, by buying a component that locks me into this build. This is only to answer any question as to how 'legacy' this build is. According to the 'latest&greatest' crowd, it's prehistoric. I have other ideas. It appears Photoshop CS3 can no longer be activated, and every other rendition looks to be like $300+ used  (way more than I would ever pay for any software), so it seems like I will settle for GIMP.





              Here is a link to the Wikipedia page about the VGA connector - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_connector
              The VGA connector is a D-sub type DE-15, I haven't seen a graphics card or monitor with a different VGA connector, they have all had 3 rows of 5 pins for 15 pins in total.

              Are you watching the movies using the LiveCD, or in windows? I don't think using the tor network for streaming would be very stable.
              Even the cheapest graphics card, the GeForce GT 710 will handle full HD movie playback if that is causing the problem.

              One of the reasons I want a decent graphics card (after building the PC there were none available, I am using the i5-9600K graphics) is for
              video converting. The Geforce cards have CUDA cores in them, which can be used to vastly speed up the conversion process in the software that supports it, although the i5 does a pretty good job on its own and can convert a 140 min 1080p film in about 40 mins.
              Have a look at this page, it lists nearly every graphics card made going back to the 90's - I had a Radeon 9600 SE way back in 1995 (not listed, but the LE is) - have fun Googling them... https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

              This page is for checking if a card can run certain games, BUT, if you click on the GPU dropdown selection, it goes back to some quite old cards, you can then click on the picture that comes up and it will try a search on Amazon - https://www.pcgamebenchmark.com/compare-graphics-cards
              You will have to be cautious here and make sure you are looking for the right interface, I presumed before that you had PCI-e in your PC, but as you are talking about a legacy build is it AGP?

              I have dabbled with photoshop, but because I scraped by for years on an old slow computer didn't use it a lot, because my PC would make it annoying to use. I got into photo editing on Paint Shop Pro, and the program got quite good over the years, and in some cases I think its better than photoshop because it has more automation and user friendliness built in. However now I have a half decent PC I will go back to relearning Photoshop again. I used GIMP in its early days, looks like its improved a lot, just downloaded it to check it out.
              I recently bought a second hand Panasonic FZ330 camera (FZ300 in USA), so I can't wait for summer so I can go out and get some photos to edit.

              Hope this helps some more.

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                Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
                « Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 07:31:07 PM »
                Hi again, you mentioned two graphics cards on your list. I searched for some info on the requirements to play back 4k video and found this page:
                https://www.winxdvd.com/convert-4k-video/best-video-card-for-4k-movies-playback-on-pc.htm

                In the first chart (4k H264 movie playback) the GeForce GTX 750 Ti is listed - however the GTX 560 Ti isn't

                The second chart is for x265 movie playback, the minimum there is a GeForce GT 1030, however we are back to the problems of finding a card with a VGA port.

                I would say nearly every movie / series that is released at the moment has an x264 copy / stream available, so your best bet is to go with the GeForce GTX 750 Ti as a minimum.

                If the card can handle 4k it is going to have no problem with 1080p.

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                Re: Legacy graphics cards with VGA port
                « Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 08:37:11 PM »
                The latest cards with VGA/DE-15 connectors right on the card itself, as far as I'm aware, are the Nvidia 700 series and R9 380 series. later cards may or may not support VGA, but typically do not have the actual connector, instead sending the VGA signal through DVI. (DVI-I) which can then be made compatible with a VGA cord via the adapter Lisa refers to.

                Motherboard and dedicated graphics are mutually exclusive. You cannot use a dedicated card that has no VGA port through a motherboard's VGA connector; nor can integrated video that doesn't support VGA be "piped" through a dedicated card that has VGA output.

                You mention buffering issues adjacent to your Video card options. Streaming video "buffering" means your network connection/internet connection with the source is not fast enough. It cannot be addressed with a better graphics card.
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