Author Topic: Why sp2 (Read 21044 times)

fat_basterd21 · « **on:** September 09, 2006, 12:53:59 PM »

Ok I see all the time how sp2 is so important and how it is a major upgrade. but what exactly is there to it... All I ever noticed was the security part witch I allways turn off. I hate the automatic updates, im completely against all spyware virus software inspite of others better judgment.
(I have my reasons)

Neil · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2006, 03:48:08 PM »

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im completely against all spyware virus software inspite of others better judgment.
(I have my reasons)

Don't come crying to us...

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2006, 04:35:41 PM »

I haven't come crying to any1 ever about my computer crashing from viruses. the best virus software only protecs against the known viruses. they slow down your computer like I cant explain. delete software that you dont want deleted and isnt spywhere or virus. constantly popup messages that I cant stand "are you sure" "are you really sure" And thats not even the free ones that will find spywhere after just finishing a clean install... much esier for me to reformat and start over. I've got 1 virus from a website and it changed my start page to msn no matter what I set it to it allways changed back but that was with IE.

You call me stupid but I see people everyday that screw their computer up worse than any virus by putting all this crap on it, and usually the first time they connect to the internet.

However Windows security doesnt bother me that much except the automatic updates never seem to stop. everyday theres something new its allways downloading something hogging up the line so much you cant even browse the internet until its done downloading 200mgb file just to start another one...
If this is all sp2 has to offer I'll pass for now. I have the I.T. download on disk so its not a problem putting it there but if I turn most of the security off is there any reason to put sp2 on...

street1 (RIP) · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2006, 04:54:20 PM »

This is Uncle Billy's way of saying"I own you !You Fat_Basterd!

Poor choice of username if you get in a flame war.

You lose!!

Please send all replies to BR547 Attention:Junior

FER SHAME! FER SHAME!

Neil · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2006, 05:52:04 PM »

Protection against known viruses is better than protection against no viruses. I agree some virus scanners are obnoxious but my virus scanner makes no problem for my computer, and it certainly doesn't invent virues. You are probably refering to bogus online junk you get which makes things up to trick you into buying their rubbish. You need to look out for those.

Maybe you know some people who screw up their computer by putting crap on it (the bogus scanners rather than a decent one I persume) but I also know someone who couldn't be bothered with virus protection and his computer got totally wrecked. My computer was on the same network but my scanner prevented the attack.

But up to you to weigh out the pros and cons for yourself I guess.

Edit: When I say totally wrecked I mean totally wrecked, and took hours to fix. And it was so preventable too.

Neil · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2006, 06:11:33 PM »

http://www.avast.com/eng/programs.html

This is a virus scanner I have used for a few years, and put on a lot of people's computers for them. Not once has it caused me a single problem. Even with all stuff on my computer it doesn't find any viruses (except the rare occasion when there actually is a virus - see above) so even with stuff on it no virus, I doubt it would find a virus after a fresh install. You are talking about these programs with names like registry fixer or bug nuker or whatever. I just made those up but they are what they sound like. They detect even the most trivial of problems and report it as some kind of major error to panic people into buying it to "fix" their problems... they are what to avoid. There are a few good programs but unfortunately they are given a bad name by these ones.

I have SP2 with automatic updates, Sygate firewall and Avast anti-virus and my computer is fine. If "much esier for me to reformat and start over" is your security policy then that's up to you, but I certainly wouldn't want to go through that hassle each time.

patio · « **Reply #6 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:29:08 AM »

XP was rushed to market...SP1 was released less than 3 mos. later followed by SP2.

As stated in the other thread SP2 is a MAJOR upgrade to the OS....

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I hate the automatic updates, im completely against all spyware virus software inspite of others better judgment.
(I have my reasons)

As far as this goes you are only asking for trouble...

patio. 8-)

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:39:20 AM »

so how many times as your computer gone down from infections fat??

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2006, 02:47:05 PM »

Never, Proly cuz I do a clean install every 30 days if you catch my drift...

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2006, 02:48:31 PM »

so youve been lucky then

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2006, 02:58:18 PM »

yea I guess... just kidding about the 30 day reinstall...LOL... I wonder how many people actually do this...

You guys better not be hacking my stuff to teach me a lesson...

Fed · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:04:09 PM »

The current estimate for infection time of an unprotected computer connected to the internet is just a few minutes.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:12:06 PM »

So I should have sp2 and this avast and would that be sufficient?

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:23:24 PM »

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yea I guess... just kidding about the 30 day reinstall...LOL... I wonder how many people actually do this...

You guys better not be hacking my stuff to teach me a lesson...

sir that would be unethical and evil... who would do such a thing [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

and a firewall

GX1_Man · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:27:44 PM »

A legal Windows CD is incredibly helpful as well, if you get my drift.

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:32:45 PM »

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A legal Windows CD is incredibly helpful as well, if you get my drift.

lol and very used tool

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:32:54 PM »

My windows cd is leagle I thought I'd throw that in there for every1 harpin on me about sp2 I used it before only because i needed it installed for visual studio 2005...

Is windows firewall sufficient, does avast run in the background or do I have to scedull it to run? How often should I run it?

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #17 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:34:30 PM »

zone alarm free might be a better choice

Neil · « **Reply #18 on:** September 11, 2006, 03:48:45 PM »

Avast runs in the background, automatically scanning anything you open or download. But a full scan every now and again wouldn't hurt. Windows firewall is better than nothing. Some people say it's good others bad. You can get a free firewall here: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp I have ran both Windows firewall and a third party one together without any problems. (Not a good idea with virus scanners though)

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:01:37 PM »

So what are you saying then? should i not use both at the same time? Wich is more important?

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #20 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:06:04 PM »

no you can use both firewall at the same time

soybean · « **Reply #21 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:10:05 PM »

Generally not a good idea to run two firewalls either. Can cause conflict, and, of course, just takes more of your system's resources.

street1 (RIP) · « **Reply #22 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:12:39 PM »

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A legal Windows CD is incredibly helpful as well, if you get my drift.

Yeah,I've seen those thirty day thingies.LOL

http://www.crazydecal.com/surplusbytes/prodpages/software/xppro.htm

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:15:23 PM »

yes and running from a usb hdd i dont have system resorces to spare

Yea street i wish i had the market on those disks... There prolly making a fortune..

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #24 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:19:22 PM »

and y are u running from an external

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:26:19 PM »

Cuz I can... Kinda dual boot on some1 elses computer... this is why I decided against MY better judgment to go with a little more security...

Unless... Theres a way do temoraryly dissable the internaldrive until restart... Im not as worried about my stuff...

unlovedwarrior · « **Reply #26 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:27:54 PM »

GX1_Man · « **Reply #27 on:** September 11, 2006, 04:45:07 PM »

Well let us know how it goes after you try to run that installation on several computers with different hardware.

I think it will be a 30 day thing if it does run.

street1 (RIP) · « **Reply #28 on:** September 11, 2006, 05:23:13 PM »

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Well let us know how it goes after you try to run that installation on several computers with different hardware.

I think it will be a 30 day thing if it does run.

Bwa HaHaHa! Bwa HaHaHA!

Thanks folks I needed that.

Very strange posts always make me laugh.

I of course never laugh at anyone.I only laugh
with them.

Best to you with your install=Fat.

Neil · « **Reply #29 on:** September 11, 2006, 05:33:08 PM »

Soybean, I've never noticed any problem running both at the same time, nor known anyone else. The Windows Firewall is a resistant little pest and often takes the liberty to enable itself whenever I run the network wizard, so it's often not by choice

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 11, 2006, 07:13:03 PM »

Ok I installed sp2 and avast, We'll see how long it stays on there... Now does any1 know how to get rid of the little red shield constntly telling me "my automatic updats are off and this isn't recomended"

Thats Stike 1

patio · « **Reply #31 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:01:16 AM »

You are still about 3 dozen or so hotfix/updates til you are current...MS builds these things for a reason.

You can turn off Automatic Updates in your Security Control Panel and the little nag will go away.

patio. 8-)

Rob Pomeroy · « **Reply #32 on:** September 12, 2006, 10:16:10 AM »

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the best virus software only protecs against the known viruses.

Not so. All major anti-virus programs use detection heuristics which enable them to generalise about viruses. The computer may not know about the particular virus, but it can detect viral behaviour and virus-like patterns. This is one way that new viruses are detected by existing software.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 12, 2006, 04:48:11 PM »

Your right Rob I stand corrected... No major problems Avast does put some lag into it scanning everytime you open a program... I just turn of the standard shield provider when I'm running known programs. Dont know if this is a good idea or not... I definatly would not recomend XP on USB for a Computer under 3Ghz

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 12, 2006, 04:50:25 PM »

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You are still about 3 dozen or so hotfix/updates til you are current...MS builds these things for a reason.
patio. 8-)

I know And it would take a month to put all of them on.....

soybean · « **Reply #35 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:03:56 PM »

And, why do you think it would take that long?

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:30:57 PM »

It took a few hrs to install sp2 and i have it on disk

soybean · « **Reply #37 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:56:38 PM »

A few hours is a very long time for the installation of SP2; must be due to you having the OS on a external drive. Anyway, the updates shouldn't take nearly as long as the SP2 installation, unless you're on a slow dialup connection. Even then, the Windows updates would probably take less time than the SP2 installation.

soybean · « **Reply #38 on:** September 12, 2006, 07:01:45 PM »

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Soybean, I've never noticed any problem running both at the same time, nor known anyone else. The Windows Firewall is a resistant little pest and often takes the liberty to enable itself whenever I run the network wizard, so it's often not by choice

From http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/firewall.mspx:

Q. Should I use both the built-in firewall and a software firewall from a different company on my Windows XP computer?

A. No. Running multiple software firewalls is unnecessary for typical home computers, home networking, and small-business networking scenarios. Using two firewalls on the same connection could cause issues with connectivity to the Internet or other unexpected behavior.

One firewall, whether it is the Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall or a different software firewall, can provide substantial protection for your computer.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:14:24 PM »

Its only slow when I write large files to it and if I'm not booted off that drive it writes about as fast as the internal. Its just a cheap 1 from wal-mart though...

do I have to download and install 13 dozen differnt patches or is there one big download for everything to the current date...

soybean · « **Reply #40 on:** September 12, 2006, 10:09:06 PM »

There will be a lot of them but you do not need to install them all at once, although I'd suggest you get them all fairly soon. You will see them in a list and be able to uncheck a box for certain ones if you want to postpone part of them until a later time.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:07:44 AM »

I just found out installing sp2 messed up my port forwarding... Took me a few hrs to sort it out.... This is my bigest gripe about the updates....

But thanx ever1 for you thoughts.... I'm starting to wonder if how long this will go

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:09:05 AM »

Keep it ALIVE

drsletmedown · « **Reply #43 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:50:39 AM »

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So I should have sp2 and this avast and would that be sufficient?

Ever since I started using Avast & Adaware & Spybot I have not had anything & they don't slow my computer down. If I am doing something off line & don't want it trying to update I just turn it off simple enough. You can set them all to manual for updates & NOTHING will be running. I'm running a 3 gig P4 w. 1 gig ram but run all 3 on a 700 Mhz w/320 MB & it works great as well.
I would never get online without all 3. I keep them on a disk & load them on all my new builds before ever getting online the first time & immediately update them all.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 13, 2006, 05:41:02 PM »

OK SP2 is seriosly pissing me off it totally erased all my network conectin setting and its a pain reseting it now finally figured out the ports now I find out printer sharing is off and who know ho to turn it on it says it is but it wants me to install it to my comp...

GX1_Man · « **Reply #45 on:** September 13, 2006, 06:03:13 PM »

And is this a legal Windows install from a bright, shiny disk that says Microsoft all over it? That is without a doubt the number one reason people have problems with SP2.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:19:27 PM »

Yea the little shiny stuff that hypnotizes people into buyin it...Anyway I figured it out I had to reconfigure the network settings... I dont know why they were completly changed by adding sp2 but its stressfull when you got 5 mins left to finish what your doing and then find out its all messed up...

patio · « **Reply #47 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:33:59 PM »

There are plenty of alternatives to running a Windows machine...but to run a healthy Windows machine one needs the shiny MS CD.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 14, 2006, 04:42:40 AM »

Yes I have the sparkly one. I'm not smart enough to use linux or smart enough to learn so I guess I'll stop bichin... Fare enough...

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 14, 2006, 03:05:16 PM »

I was wondering why my computer was sooo slow all the sudden

soybean · « **Reply #50 on:** September 14, 2006, 03:31:27 PM »

Not sure what point you're trying to make there. Can you elaborate?

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 14, 2006, 07:15:45 PM »

update.exe takeing 80% CPU jusst about locks the comp up.... I remember this from last time.... now its all comming back

soybean · « **Reply #52 on:** September 14, 2006, 08:39:59 PM »

Hmmm, 80% for a process, yet the bottom of your System Internals panel shows 10.7%. Seems contradictory. How do you reconcile the two?

Anyway, I believe update.exe does not have to be running. It' not in my system:

patio · « **Reply #53 on:** September 15, 2006, 06:08:02 AM »

Did the installation of SP@ complete itself ? ?

Have you grabbed all the other updates i mentioned ? ?

If not this machine is going to keep trying...

Neil · « **Reply #54 on:** September 15, 2006, 06:58:32 AM »

What exactly do you mean by slow? Unresponsive? Sluggish when moving windows? Slow to load files? There are lots of reasons a computer could be slow, and a lot of ways in which it can be slow.

patio · « **Reply #55 on:** September 15, 2006, 10:07:24 AM »

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Keep it ALIVE

I believe he just refuses to let this thread die a peaceful death...

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #56 on:** September 15, 2006, 05:38:29 PM »

I'm sry ppl... I'm just goona let it go...

Fed · « **Reply #57 on:** September 15, 2006, 05:51:12 PM »

Awww, don't be like that, what's the problem, I'm not going to read 50+ posts to find out.

Download, install & update AVG & Spybot, set Spybot to advanced mode, activate Spybot Resident Protection & lock your HOSTS file.
Turn off Windows Automatic Updates.
Be happy.

If none of the above makes sense then tell me, I may have to read this thread.

street1 (RIP) · « **Reply #58 on:** September 15, 2006, 07:04:58 PM »

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I'm sry ppl... I'm just goona let it go...

Your here to help and learn friend.Don't be discouraged by any of the
responses.

You ain't never met "jboy".

Believe me this is a cake walk. Right! GX1_Man

GX1_Man · « **Reply #59 on:** September 15, 2006, 07:25:15 PM »

He's getting off VERY light.......

patio · « **Reply #60 on:** September 15, 2006, 10:15:56 PM »

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Awww, don't be like that, what's the problem, I'm not going to read 50+ posts to find out.
Download, install & update AVG & Spybot, set Spybot to advanced mode, activate Spybot Resident Protection & lock your HOSTS file.
Turn off Windows Automatic Updates.
Be happy.

If none of the above makes sense then tell me, I may have to read this thread.

fat_basterd21 · « **Reply #61 on:** September 15, 2006, 11:47:44 PM »

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Ok I see all the time how sp2 is so important and how it is a major upgrade. but what exactly is there to it...

im not dicoraged I'm sure every1 is tired of this thread... AS for my question, I dont think it was ever answered maybe no1 knows... it doesnt matter I like Avast you all are allways a great help and should not be waisting your time with this thread... Of all the rediculus threads I post this one goes 5 pages... what else could be said about it???

patio · « **Reply #62 on:** September 16, 2006, 09:14:22 AM »

From Page One...

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XP was rushed to market...SP1 was released less than 3 mos. later followed by SP2.

As stated in the other thread SP2 is a MAJOR upgrade to the OS....

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I hate the automatic updates, im completely against all spyware virus software inspite of others better judgment.
(I have my reasons)

As far as this goes you are only asking for trouble...

patio. 8-)

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