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dareys

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    Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
    « Reply #15 on: July 24, 2008, 07:38:58 PM »
    drmsucks,

    Ok. Thank you for the help and the encryption tip. I never thought I would go as far as to consider it. Other vendors provide software to do this, like PGP or McAfee, but I canīt afford it right now.

    Anyway, like you I am now out of this thread.

    Good luck and be well.

    Jean-Pierre

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      Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
      « Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 08:03:48 PM »
      drmsucks,

      Ok. Thank you for the help and the encryption tip. I never thought I would go as far as to consider it. Other vendors provide software to do this, like PGP or McAfee, but I canīt afford it right now.

      Anyway, like you I am now out of this thread.

      Good luck and be well.

      Jean-Pierre


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      dareys

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        Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
        « Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 10:59:41 AM »
        PC_Programmer,


        >Am I mistaken to assume that you're just trying to think of other sources of power >that can be used to power up a machine, and only thought of a CMOS battery as a >possibility? If So, a Power inverter (or even, for short periods, a UPS), would >facilitate that. However,  Ithink you're also asking whether a computer can be >remotely powered up without having it's power cord plugged in.

        Correct on both accounts.

        >I'm not sure, but I don't think a Wireless network card can be used as a WOL >source, since the card itself needs to be connected to the network (facilitated with >wires in the wired case) to be accessed by other computers. a more likely method >would be to access the router that that wireless card is connecting to, and
        >(possibly, if the card can recieve packets while the computer is off) somehow get it >to turn on. It's possible with wired NICs, simply because their is no extra device
        >(antenna) to power, it just needs a little standby power to monitor the network. >However, a wireless card needs to essentially have full-power just to facilitate >waking the computer, since it will need to remain connected to a wireless network.

        This makes sense.

        >So- are we actually talking about the laptops main battery? because that is >designed to power up the laptop. In  addition, bear in mind that a desktop PC, in >almost all cases, requires far more power then a Laptop (for obvious reasons, not >the least of which is the fact that, for the laptop, power conservation is critical to >good productivity. On the other hand, Power management in desktop computers is >more of a green initiative, (one with the side effect of possibly reducing electricity >bills).

        Yes.

        >I'm not sure if it has been mentioned, but the best way to secure a wireless >network from access is to use an encrypting protocol, such as WPA or WEP. (I can't >recall the good one off the top of my head. I want to say WEP, though).

        I tried both. The wireless network was encrypted. The laptop was password protected. The WOL network card setting was turned off at the Windows XP OS Level. The only thing I have not had time to research is trying so see if like dmrsucks says, you can password protect the BIOS.

        >Problem with that is that the secondary battery requires that the computer be put >on standby/suspended (most do it automatically), to conserve power draw.

        Ok.

        >I believe it was said before, but I believe your looking in the wrong direction. >Features used to remotely boot computer can always be disabled, wireless >networks can be secured, and so forth, what you're looking for (and your comments >on your networking experience) sounds like you've skipped checking those >alternatives(you believe that networks are capable of much more then they really >are, as well- researching things on the net almost surely results in some bad
        >information).

        I have several comments regarding this answer:

        First, as per my previous comment, I have done everything in my power to secure the environment after doing a lot of research (password protected the laptop, turned off WOL, encrypted the wireless network, reduced the number of available connections to the router, changed the default and starting IP addrresses and other things etc.).  Any still, very weird things have happened to me. Othewise, I would not be investing my time on this. I have not skipped anything.

        Second, as far as researching information on the network, it is like any kind of research. You will find some bad information and you will find some good information. It requires experience, judgement, and knowing who the source is. It can be difficult, but it is another ressource, just like Wikepedia. Sometimes excellent, but sometimes I have seen blatant mistakes.

        Third, like I have posted before, networks are not my IT specialty, but I have had to learn a lot about them because they are essential, to protect myself, and to know what is involved as it can be useful for business.

        Regards,

        Jean-Pierre

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        Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
        « Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 05:27:08 PM »
        If your laptop is booting randomly, it could be a hardware fault, or the power button might be broken or something. It's likely a hardware issue, was what I was trying to say before.
        I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

        dareys

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          Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
          « Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 05:46:33 PM »
          BC_Programmer,

          That would clearly be a hardware problem which would not concern me a great deal since there is not much I can do about it. Repairing it might cost more than buying a new computer.

          This particular one has been good to me but it is starting to be outdated and canīt really handle the stuff I really want to put on it. These days, to a power user, the life span of these machines is a few years max

          However, that is the least of my problems. I have full backups and can recreate on any other better machine. It is the security breaches, in spite of my significant efforts to pre-empt them, which worry me.

          Like I have said, if I have these problems after being in IT since 1979, I canīt begin to fathom what the average user, with children and downloads galore, might go through.

          Anyway, thank you for the feedback. I am now out of this thread.

          Thank you for the help, Good luck and be well.

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          Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
          « Reply #20 on: July 25, 2008, 06:58:04 PM »
          I'm kind of scratching my head over this one- What security breaches?
          I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

          drmsucks



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            Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
            « Reply #21 on: July 25, 2008, 07:24:15 PM »
            Only hinted at.
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              Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
              « Reply #22 on: July 25, 2008, 08:37:03 PM »
              Gentlemen,

              I appreciate everyoneīs help, but if you have no additional technical suggestions, I would like to end the thread as I am really busy with other things like finding a job and getting a life. Kind of hard when you are distracted by things like these.

              To satisfy your curiosity, I will quote myself:

              ĻMore recently, I was using a laptop that I would power down and unplug at night, only to find odd things in the morning. So I was suspecting a secondary battery might allow the startup and access as I specified above.Ļ

              The issues I would find in the morning would be:

              - Missing files
              - Altered files (with typos, missing lines, altered lines... much more sneaky)
              - Missing software (like the paint program I had to re-install it twice)
              - Software that would not work (re-installed MS-Office several times. Ok now)
              - Shutdown errors which a patch would fix one week and not the next. Go figure.

              Otherwise, I have experienced like page re-direction and landed on pages I did not choose. Receiving mail, spam and pornography from sites I never visited.

              Or all of a sudden things freezing and not being able to input text even into worpad, but MS Word would be OK.

              Emails not reaching their destination. Bouncing. Altered text, font and colours in my emails. Missing time stamps ... Want more? (to me, thatīs plenty). Spent months troubleshooting it with my provider. Wrote to their CEO and many other CEOs...

              Odd? Well I have been earning a living in IT for decades and this is NOT normal. It has happened on and off, but in the last several years, it has been out of control. I have lived in three different cities and had to rebuild machines a number of times.

              If I was downloading everything in sight, I would understand, but I am cautious and deprive myself of the full IT experience of a normal user, let alone a power user like me, because of all the problems.

              I have spent countless hours on backups (sometimes baby sitting them for fifteen to twenty hours and sleeping on the floor to keep checking and make sure they had not quit). All because of strange behaviour....

              Anyway, I think I have found software to help me with this. Like Norton GoBack. Too bad I was not paranoid enough to install it six or seven years ago. It has not been fun, but, I have to admit, I have learne an awful lot, and that has been ok.

              Too bad the knowledge does not pay the bills! Itīs ok, my specialty is in an entirely different realm and that is where I want to go.

              Now, the fact that I am telling this, hopefully wonīt be a self fullfilling profesy and increase the incidence of the trouble.

              Kind of odd telling strangers on the net about this, but it has been my reality. Hopefully, I have learned enough to alter it to my satisfaction.

              Good luck and be well.

              Jean-Pierre




               

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                Re: Can a 3.0 Volt CMOS Battery provide enough power to boot a PC?
                « Reply #23 on: July 25, 2008, 08:54:21 PM »
                Sounds like classic malware infection(s) - not a malevolent scheme to screw with you.

                I would suggest that you look in this Forum at the Computer Virus section, see if it suits you, and post a HijackThis log there. The most innocuous computer habits risk a malware infection; it's not a matter of "If," it's a matter of "When."
                If you don't have time to do it right
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