Well, yeah, it is an HP...and I used 'Demon' because I don't think they will let me use some of the other colorful names I have given it in the past!lol!!! I did the remove HP updates in control panel, hope that takes care of the new little ailment, also downloaded HIJackThis and the Malware remover program and ran them, so hopefully Demon won't be nutting up for awhile...I might add that I am/was a bit of a computer serial killer, this one is number 6 and so far it hasn't just fell over and died like all the others...but perhaps I have said too much?:-) Thanks dude, later, unome