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We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« on: December 19, 2008, 05:22:40 PM »
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - The group representing the U.S. recording industry said Friday it has abandoned its policy of suing people for sharing songs protected by copyright and will work with Internet service providers to cut abusers' access if they ignore repeated warnings.

The move ends a controversial program that saw the Recording Industry Association of America sue about 35,000 people since 2003 for swapping songs online. Because of high legal costs for defenders, virtually all of those hit with lawsuits settled, on average for around $3,500. The association's legal costs, in the meantime, exceeded the settlement money it brought in.

The association said Friday that it stopped sending out new lawsuits and warnings in August, and then agreed with several leading U.S. Internet service providers, without naming which ones, to notify alleged illegal file-sharers and cut off service if they failed to stop.

It credited the lawsuit campaign with raising awareness of piracy and keeping the number of illegal file-sharers in check while the legal market for digital music took off. With two weeks left in the year, legitimate sales of digital music tracks soared for the first time past the 1 billion mark, up 28 percent over all of last year, according to Nielsen Soundscan.

"We're at a point where there's a sense of comfort that we can replace one form of deterrent with another form of deterrent," said RIAA Chairman and Chief Executive Mitch Bainwol. "Filing lawsuits as a strategy to deal with a big problem was not our first choice five years ago."

The new notification program is also more efficient, he said, having sent out more notices in the few months since it started than in the five years of the lawsuit campaign.

"It's much easier to send notices than it is to file lawsuits," Bainwol said.

The decision to scrap the legal attack was first reported in The Wall Street Journal.

The group says it will still continue to litigate outstanding cases, most of which are in the pre-lawsuit warning stage, but some of which are before the courts.

The decision to press on with existing cases drew the ire of Harvard Law professor Charles Nesson, who is defending a Boston University graduate student targeted in one of the music industry's lawsuits.

"If it's a bad idea, it's a bad idea," said Nesson. He is challenging the constitutionality of the suits, which, based on the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999, can impose damages of $150,000 per infringement, far in excess of the actual damage caused.

Nesson's client, Joel Tenenbaum, faces the possibility of more than $1 million in damages for allegedly downloading seven songs illegally, which Nesson called "cruel and unusual punishment." The case is set to go to trial in district court in Massachusetts on Jan. 22.

Brian Toder, a lawyer with Chestnut & Cambronne in Minneapolis, who defended single mother Jammie Thomas in a copyright suit filed by the RIAA, said he is also set to retry the case March 9 after a judge threw out a $222,000 decision against her.

"I think it's a good thing that they've ended this campaign of going after people," Toder said.

"But they need to change how people spend money on records," he said. "People like to share music. The Internet makes it so easy. They have to do something to change this business model of theirs."


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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 05:30:57 PM »
I just saw that .... awesome  ;D

Why not just have a small non obtrusive advert that displays an ad that user is interested in seeing while downloading a music, then the guys get their royalties which is what I think copyright problems usually come by.

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 06:02:35 PM »
I'd like to point out, that we can now see very clearly...they don't give a crap about copyright issues. It's all about greed:
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The association's legal costs, in the meantime, exceeded the settlement money it brought in.
We obviously knew this before, but it's nice to see this in open view :)

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 07:06:43 PM »
the whole charade was just the RIAA turning the courts into their personal playground.

Their are more important cases out there. you know, ACTUAL crime, like murders,rape, assault, etc.

Sure, it's a crime to download content illegally; but so is shoplifting, and you don't see any shoplifters sued for a million dollars for stealing a CD with 7 songs. the entire lawset that governs the protection of intellectual data is completely out of proportion to the point where it is somehow more valuable then physical property. Basically, the "idea" for an invention is  more valuable then any physical entity based upon that idea; that makes sense; somebody could steal that idea and make a bucketload. Applying the same principle to digital media is some kind of appropriate simile.
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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 03:52:49 AM »
I don't see this as a victory at all.  Thanks to this case, the RIAA has more power now that they're teaming up with ISP's...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/155820/.html?tk=rss_main
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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008, 08:40:20 PM »
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The group says it will work directly with Internet service providers to go after people it believes are illegally sharing files. RIAA will notify an ISP, which will then warn the user and ultimately suspend or discontinue his access if a change is not observed.
I think, it's a huge difference between being sued, and having some service disconnected.
We even don't know how far ISP will go. Money (losing a customer) is talking to them, too.
Actually, my friend received an email from Comcast about copyright violation. It ended up in a waste basket.
What's next? He doesn't know, and we don't know, either.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 12:09:41 AM »
Likely nothing, I've known many people to get such a letter from both comcast and Verizon, neither saw any thing thereafter. I think its just a bunch of hot air, the RIAA can just launch there organization into the sun for all I care, there a joke.

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2008, 12:33:39 AM »
heh, they are all just idle threats.

the provincial government has been trying to charge me for my supposedly "free" healthcare at 52$ a month- not bad, really, but it's the principle of the thing. It's basically a mandatory health insurance, just like in the U.S, but we don't get to "shop around" so to speak, it has to be through the "medical services plan" of british Columbia.

Besides, they owe me 800$ from my last tax return. Or they would have if I sent it in.

heh, and then they send a letter about a year ago, basically saying they were going to take it out my bank account. Unfortunately for them, however, I don't use google chrome, which might be one reason I haven't seen a penny missing. Ha.
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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2008, 09:07:10 AM »
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I don't use google chrome, which might be one reason I haven't seen a penny missing
Very good tip to avoid IRS collection ;D

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 01:29:54 PM »
Just buy a safe man, simplest bank in the world, house can sizzle to ashes and it'll still be sitting there. Burried probably, but that just prevents some *censored* firefighter from trying to loot it ;D

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Re: We won!!! - Music industry drops effort to sue song swappers
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 04:13:49 PM »
Nothing was won...and i agree with Chris on this...
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 10:33:51 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

I think you missed the point.

The situation is now much worse. think about it. If the RIAA is in league with ISPs, and we depend on the ISPs for internet access, the RIAA essentially can control where and when we browse.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 11:23:30 PM »
Yeah, patio, this isn't an entire victory, but still an achievement if you prefer not to buy an entire CD for one song.

That argument doesn't really work anymore. Amazon, iTunes, and all sorts of other sites/services allow you to purchase single songs.  People haven't been forced to buy whole CD's for a long time.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 01:43:28 PM »
    I believe this is but another "shoe" to drop. Yes the ISP has a conflict of interest  (RIAA/customer). However the test of that conflict will occur if/when the RIAA decides to take an ISP to court for not monitoring/controlling it's clients habits of use. truenorth