spam download ?

[soybean]

supplied by bt

Harry, we still don't know for sure exactly how you get your email.  Please say exactly how you do it.  Do you use an email client or do you always access your email via your web browser?  We can't tell this by merely knowing that BT is your ISP.  Many ISP's allow users to get email either way, or both ways.  So, how are you doing it?

i had a problem of over 100 spam a day until microsoft and others took 3/4 sites of the web and they are now down to about 2/4 a day but i cannot see how they are getting to my mail as spam filter is always on

I have no idea what you said above.  For example, what is the world does "until microsoft and others took 3/4 sites of the web" mean?

[evilfantasy]

soybean I understand how it works. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible since there seems to be a lack of clarity here on which email service does what. Harry and I have been down this exact same road before. He is NOT using an email client, it's the free Yahoo web mail and he is concerned that his spam box is filling up. I've tried to explain (in another thread) that that's what the spam box is for, to collect spam mail, and that Yahoo is the WORST at stopping spam from getting to your inbox. See here > September 16, 2008 download to stop spam

They are *not* supplied by the ISP

Again, I'm trying to keep it simple. @cox.net, @bellsouth.net and so on are supplied by your ISP. Very different then @yahoo.com.

the mail is downloaded to your computer; at that point, it's no longer stored on your ISP's servers

Not entirely true. My mother had some problems with her Outlook Express and with her giving permission the tech and I retrieved some of her lost/deleted mail and password from their server. Everything is backed up somewhere, even your mail.

I think I might pick the first one if it were me.

I've had a half dozen a people thank me for recomending that one. It seems to be the best "free" service.

[soybean]

I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible ...

I understand why.   

They are *not* supplied by the ISP

Again, I'm trying to keep it simple. @cox.net, @bellsouth.net and so on are supplied by your ISP. Very different then @yahoo.com.

Yes, the email addresses, such as @cox.net or @bellsouth.net, are provided by the ISP, but not the email client.  And to reiterate for harry, the email client is the software installed on the user's computer.

the mail is downloaded to your computer; at that point, it's no longer stored on your ISP's servers

Not entirely true. My mother had some problems with her Outlook Express and with her giving permission the tech and I retrieved some of her lost/deleted mail and password from their server. Everything is backed up somewhere, even your mail.

Yeah, if the ISP maintains a backup somewhere, then you could request help from their tech support to retrieve some mail.  But, I wouldn't want to rely on that.  Under normal circumstances, once a POP mail user downloads mail, the mail is no longer retrievable via normal procedure. If the user logged on to his ISP email account, he would not see the mail that has been downloaded to his computer.  It's gone from the server's regular message storage space.

[evilfantasy]

Also note that what I say all makes perfect sense....to ME

Mail clients, web mail, email, servers and all is confusing without really thinking about what, and how, your saying things...

Edit: That snowman is supposed to be laughing. Looks kinda creepy actually!

[soybean]

Yeah, I thought that snowman looked dangerous, like it was wanting to clamp its jaws on me.  

So, you say Outlook Express is provided by the ISP? 

[evilfantasy]

No, but the @.??.net is. I haven't used it in a while but know you can configure it with free POP accounts, the free Yahoo not being one of them...

I suppose we should ask Harry what his email address ends with. @Yahoo or @bellsouth or whatever. That would probably help narrow it down.

[soybean]

Yeah, well, harry, it's not great to get yet another pitifully brief reply from you.  I don't know about other contributors, but my patience is wearing thin.  Your responses are too brief to provide any clear indication of whether you now have some understanding of  the various points about email clients, POP mail vs. webmail, etc., that have been discussed here, or whether you're still clueless about this stuff.

Look, you've been given ample information in this discussion to draw a conclusion.  What would that conclusion be? 

1) Yahoo sucks for spam control. 
2) If you want to resolve the spam issue, you need to move away from Yahoo and move to another email service, one that will give you some serious spam control options.

[Raptor]

Yeah, well, harry, it's not great to get yet another pitifully brief reply from you. 

Holy.... And here you were thinking you'd never be like me!

You're making me so proud. 

[Raptor]

Have a look Here to get up to date on the basics, merlin, I mean ,harry

[soybean]

i am not clueless we are not all experts

so i will withdraw the question later so that i do not get any more insults

I think you've been around this forum long enough to know it's very uncharacteristic of me to use the tone of expression I used in my previous message.  But, again, you're demonstrating a lack of effort here.  Don't expect people to waste time trying to help someone who does not show they are really trying understand and work with the forum members to resolve their problem.  You just haven't demonstrated that at all, here.

As I said, your replies are pitifully brief.  They are incoherent, illogical, poorly written.  My mother is 83. I honestly think I'm not exaggerating when I say she shows a better grasp, when she asks me computer questions, of the technical content of this discussion than you.  I think that's inexcusable.  I think you really can do better.  I'm seeing a lack of effort.

[Raptor]

As I said, your replies are pitifully brief.  They are incoherent, illogical, poorly written.  My mother is 83. I honestly think I'm not exaggerating when I say she shows a better grasp, when she asks me computer questions, of the technical content of this discussion than you.  I think that's inexcusable.  I think you really can do better.  I'm seeing a lack of effort.

Oh yes! Oh yes! Just let it all out, Soybeanieboy!

[soybean]

Obviously, I am.     I'm finished with this for now.  Gotta go run some errands.

Yeah, well, harry, it's not great to get yet another pitifully brief reply from you. 

Holy.... And here you were thinking you'd never be like me!

You're making me so proud. 

Call me Soybeanieboy! but I think you do agree with me.   

[Raptor]

A little. I just keep quiet because he reminds me a bit of an early Merlin.

He's definitely got potential, just need to nurture it!

[patio]

I underestimated the creepiness of the Snowman...shudder

[BC_Programmer]

As I said, your replies are pitifully brief.  They are incoherent, illogical, poorly written.  My mother is 83. I honestly think I'm not exaggerating when I say she shows a better grasp, when she asks me computer questions, of the technical content of this discussion than you.  I think that's inexcusable.  I think you really can do better.  I'm seeing a lack of effort.

Oh yes! Oh yes! Just let it all out, Soybeanieboy!

Yes, let the hate flow through you...

hmm, harry's post has dissapeared. interesting. now it just looks like we're rambling amongst ourselves.