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Have you EVER downloaded software/movies illegally? (Not Music).

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Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2009, 05:51:17 AM »
Nope don't download any.

I hate to tell some of you this but not "Every one" downloads illegal music and not every one has downloaded something illegal at some point and time.
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Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 05:54:56 AM »
Nope don't download any.

I hate to tell some of you this but not "Every one" downloads illegal music and not every one has downloaded something illegal at some point and time.

Well, bully for you.

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Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 10:00:44 AM »
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Um, yea some of my friends in Somewhere in Alberta were fined apparently for downloading only illegal music on limewire.

And you still need more proof?

I suggested to my daughter that she should buy a $15 a month subscription with her ISP that offers unlimited downloads. $15 a month, unlimited! She said she would rather go to the store and buy her music before setting at a computer downloading music.

I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really? Saying "everyone does it" is not only shallow, it's an ignorant, unjustified cop-out to put your inadequacies on everyone but YOU. Grow up! Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.

@Dias. You quoted me and then said you weren't talking to me? Your full of it you know? Don't just assume you know what someone is talking about.

I said frowned upon not because of any moral or any legal issues. It's just they rarely turn out well. Just as this one is really (to me) not looking all that great.

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Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 11:24:25 AM »
I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really?

You tell me. You brought the subject up.



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    Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
    « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 11:40:26 AM »
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    Um, yea some of my friends in Somewhere in Alberta were fined apparently for downloading only illegal music on limewire.

    And you still need more proof?

    I suggested to my daughter that she should buy a $15 a month subscription with her ISP that offers unlimited downloads. $15 a month, unlimited! She said she would rather go to the store and buy her music before setting at a computer downloading music.

    I had a job once and there were a few gays working there. In their mind everyone is, or has experimented with being gay. Really? Saying "everyone does it" is not only shallow, it's an ignorant, unjustified cop-out to put your inadequacies on everyone but YOU. Grow up! Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.

    @Dias. You quoted me and then said you weren't talking to me? Your full of it you know? Don't just assume you know what someone is talking about.

    I said frowned upon not because of any moral or any legal issues. It's just they rarely turn out well. Just as this one is really (to me) not looking all that great.

    You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time? Not just Limewire-any music sharing program.

    Not everyone uses the internet to download, upload, or even watch their favorite TV shows.

    I should probably re-word my question. "How many people WHO KNOW HOW TO USE A COMPUTER AND DON'T ONLY USE IT FOR TYPING, THEY USE THE INTERNEThave downloaded illegal movies/software and let's add 'Music' ".


    If you don't use a computer/don't know how to use one, then obviously you won't be downloading anything will you? If you'd rather go to a music store then you obviously don't know how to download music.

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    Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
    « Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 11:59:48 AM »
    There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.

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    You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?

    Another shallow insight.

    Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.

    Not everyone does things just like the next guy.

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    Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
    « Reply #21 on: February 01, 2009, 12:33:22 PM »
    Mr.Google, It is now 2009. Limewire is the way to pirate for pussyfoots.

    Additionally, P2P sharing of the sort provided by such amateur applications as LimeWire,Azureus, and the like are like water wings for pirates.

    Regardless of that- I will admit downloading music myself- HOWEVER- and I'm not trying to justify my actions in any way- I subsequently purchased several sets of CDs of my favourite bands, if only because the music I downloaded was crappy 128kbps MP3, which is the equivalent of putting it through a goat-*censored* filter as far as my sub-woofer is concerned. I can definitely hear the difference between the crap quality MP3's I've downloaded and the actual, 44,100 Khz 16-bit stereo Audio CD- which I might add that the only way to get equivalent quality is via lossless formats which suck altogether.

    ... Of course, since most music nowadays is crap anyway, you really can't tell the difference. *ZING*  ;D


    Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time?
    Not very many people, quite a lot of music.

    Limewire: a lot of trojans masked as music(admittedly easy to detect), and some music. Mostly, as previously described, $hitty quality MP3s, because at some point in time MP3 was declared to actually be of good quality at low bit-rates, or something, since everyone seemed to rip at 128kbps.

    basically, the lesson learned here is A:torrents are better then any file sharing program and B:any downloaded music has a 90% chance of being *censored* quality. (the other 10% would be rap)


    And I believe I just turned this into a debate about genres and MP3 quality. Oh well.



    There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.

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    You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?

    Another shallow insight.

    Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.

    Not everyone does things just like the next guy.


    Indeed! A common argument is that pirating software increases the sales later on because the people get "addicted to it" so to speak, which is actually quite false. If they were successful in acquiring a pirated copy of the program/OS/whatever, what in the blazes makes anybody think they would actually go out and purchase a legitimate version? It's simply backwards logic!

    Others claim that it's the Anti-Piracy checks and so forth, (WGA and the like for windows, as an example) that make them pirate the OS, and yet- a genuine version will not be affected at all by the anti-piracy techniques. The only "good" reason I can think of that can be used to try to justify pirating music would be things such as the Sony Rootkit and DRM. The justification falls apart when one realizes that CDs sold with such technology are clearly labelled for those looking at the case a little more closely. Rather then focussing on Eminem beating a dead horse with a sack of rabid ferrets or shoving a Watermelon up his but (or whatever crazy things those rappers are doing these days), check the label for such things as claims that it might not work in a standard CD player, which generally indicates a deviance from the red book standard- which is actually the reason I would refuse to buy such CDs. Deviating from an established standard is not something consumers should condone at all.


    The fact is, any form of pirating infringes on intellectual property rights. Before anybody flames me for being a goody-goody or law abiding type of person or other nonsense, bear in mind I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!". In any case- the problem stems quite simply from the ease of duplication afforded by storing such intellectual property digitally. Such ease makes it quite easy to "plagairise" in a loose use of the word, other peoples ideas.

    Take a book, for example- would anybody go to the effort of trying to duplicate a book word for word, simply to allow them to read it later on? Obviously not. But the difference is quite pronounced between a book and data stored on a hard drive, especially on the case of software, since it's designed for the computer to read, and it can be copied in a relative instant, with no real work involved as compared to the laborious effort required to duplicate a book manually.

    However- just like a book, the software contains ideas. The fact that these ideas are encapsulated into code really shouldn't be of special significance, since, just like a book, HUGE efforts go into the creation of almost any program worth pirating in the first place.

    This is understandable. An interesting notion, however, is that even though linux distributions and windows program equivalents can be acquired completely free of charge, people still insist on pirating the commercial product, which leads to o believe they suffer from the same syndrome I do- "pack-rat" syndrome. having the software on disk just for disks sake. often I've thought about this to myself, and questioned, "what was the point", since many illegal downloads have sat idle on my harddrive until deletion, at which point I had simply wasted bandwidth. Of course some may say I simply am no good at deciding what to download that's worth my time. Well, some people say time is money, you know.

    Arrgh, that was a terrible lead-up to that conclusion statement. I apologize. my train of thought kind of derailed itself halfway through.

    Also- be aware that this isn't pointed at anybody in particular and doesn't try to degrade them, since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL). Rather, it was a blatant observation provided from my perspective.

    I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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    Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
    « Reply #22 on: February 01, 2009, 01:08:25 PM »
    Well said.

    Note that I never have confirmed or denied anything I do or may have done on any forum, anywhere, at any time. So don't be too fast in thinking you know me. Do-gooder? LOL. I do though like a good debate so can't stand it until I throw in my opinion from time to time.

    It really irks me when anyone, myself included (I call myself out often, sad I know) try to make a valid point based solely on self opinion. How many p2p/illegally downloaded programs do I find in the logs I see in the malware forum? I would say 90 to 95 percent of the logs. Show me once where I have given any sort of do-gooder speech to the user. You can't. Do I give an occasional warning that using said programs is likely where the infection came from but I have never given a goody goody speech. Some people honestly just don't know any better! But those that do shouldn't expect to given a pass by the majority of those that don't use such methods.

    I do believe that there are many, many more people who don't use p2p/torrents then there are users that do. If it was everybody, then the software makers would fail and go out of business. You can't successfully operate on a budget that has no profit. That's simple math.

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      Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
      « Reply #23 on: February 01, 2009, 01:43:56 PM »
      Mr.Google, It is now 2009. Limewire is the way to pirate for pussyfoots.

      Additionally, P2P sharing of the sort provided by such amateur applications as LimeWire,Azureus, and the like are like water wings for pirates.

      Regardless of that- I will admit downloading music myself- HOWEVER- and I'm not trying to justify my actions in any way- I subsequently purchased several sets of CDs of my favourite bands, if only because the music I downloaded was crappy 128kbps MP3, which is the equivalent of putting it through a goat-<censored> filter as far as my sub-woofer is concerned. I can definitely hear the difference between the crap quality MP3's I've downloaded and the actual, 44,100 Khz 16-bit stereo Audio CD- which I might add that the only way to get equivalent quality is via lossless formats which suck altogether.

      ... Of course, since most music nowadays is crap anyway, you really can't tell the difference. *ZING*  ;D


      Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there? Go on Limewire, how much music is there? How many people are downloading music at any given time?
      Not very many people, quite a lot of music.

      Limewire: a lot of trojans masked as music(admittedly easy to detect), and some music. Mostly, as previously described, $hitty quality MP3s, because at some point in time MP3 was declared to actually be of good quality at low bit-rates, or something, since everyone seemed to rip at 128kbps.

      basically, the lesson learned here is A:torrents are better then any file sharing program and B:any downloaded music has a 90% chance of being <censored> quality. (the other 10% would be rap)


      And I believe I just turned this into a debate about genres and MP3 quality. Oh well.



      There you go now, assuming that everyone is just like you.

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      You must be living in a dream world my friend. It is now 2009. Go into a music store. How many people do you see? How much music is there?

      Another shallow insight.

      Do you know what I do for a living? Didn't think so. I've worked most of my life in and around all levels of a retail setting. Trust me. I know how much music/video/gaming is bought, sold, and even stolen, (which I have had to show up in court a few times to give the stores side of the story on). I know the numbers inventoried not just every day, but for entire quarters as well as projected numbers for future knowledge. I've seen and dealt with the huge lines forming at midnight so people can legally buy the new hot game/CD.

      Not everyone does things just like the next guy.


      Indeed! A common argument is that pirating software increases the sales later on because the people get "addicted to it" so to speak, which is actually quite false. If they were successful in acquiring a pirated copy of the program/OS/whatever, what in the blazes makes anybody think they would actually go out and purchase a legitimate version? It's simply backwards logic!

      Others claim that it's the Anti-Piracy checks and so forth, (WGA and the like for windows, as an example) that make them pirate the OS, and yet- a genuine version will not be affected at all by the anti-piracy techniques. The only "good" reason I can think of that can be used to try to justify pirating music would be things such as the Sony Rootkit and DRM. The justification falls apart when one realizes that CDs sold with such technology are clearly labelled for those looking at the case a little more closely. Rather then focussing on Eminem beating a dead horse with a sack of rabid ferrets or shoving a Watermelon up his but (or whatever crazy things those rappers are doing these days), check the label for such things as claims that it might not work in a standard CD player, which generally indicates a deviance from the red book standard- which is actually the reason I would refuse to buy such CDs. Deviating from an established standard is not something consumers should condone at all.


      The fact is, any form of pirating infringes on intellectual property rights. Before anybody flames me for being a goody-goody or law abiding type of person or other nonsense, bear in mind I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!". In any case- the problem stems quite simply from the ease of duplication afforded by storing such intellectual property digitally. Such ease makes it quite easy to "plagairise" in a loose use of the word, other peoples ideas.

      Take a book, for example- would anybody go to the effort of trying to duplicate a book word for word, simply to allow them to read it later on? Obviously not. But the difference is quite pronounced between a book and data stored on a hard drive, especially on the case of software, since it's designed for the computer to read, and it can be copied in a relative instant, with no real work involved as compared to the laborious effort required to duplicate a book manually.

      However- just like a book, the software contains ideas. The fact that these ideas are encapsulated into code really shouldn't be of special significance, since, just like a book, HUGE efforts go into the creation of almost any program worth pirating in the first place.

      This is understandable. An interesting notion, however, is that even though linux distributions and windows program equivalents can be acquired completely free of charge, people still insist on pirating the commercial product, which leads to o believe they suffer from the same syndrome I do- "pack-rat" syndrome. having the software on disk just for disks sake. often I've thought about this to myself, and questioned, "what was the point", since many illegal downloads have sat idle on my harddrive until deletion, at which point I had simply wasted bandwidth. Of course some may say I simply am no good at deciding what to download that's worth my time. Well, some people say time is money, you know.

      Arrgh, that was a terrible lead-up to that conclusion statement. I apologize. my train of thought kind of derailed itself halfway through.

      Also- be aware that this isn't pointed at anybody in particular and doesn't try to degrade them, since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL). Rather, it was a blatant observation provided from my perspective.



      Oh my, so many controversial subjects to argue about. But I'd rather not. I just want to say I agree that torrents are way better than any file sharing program. And that lime wire carries many Trojans and viruses as do many torrents. And that they are easy to detect etc etc.

      Many points you made there are good arguments but what is the main point you are trying to convey here?
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      ...Since I have probably downloaded more illegal software then many people in this discussion might have (although I'd rather not get in a contest LOL)

      Haha, let's make a contest out of it.

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      I myself have downloaded copious amounts of pirated software... ok, maybe not copious, but my share... the difference being I don't try to justify it with such BS as "everybody does it" or, "get with the times, d00d!".

      Ok, ok. That was a very bad argument on my part. I don't mean to say "Get with the times" or "everyone's doing it". I'm just trying to say that everyone IS doing it. That's not the reason that I do it, but most people that I have met - that are "tech-savvy"- have downloaded Illegal music AT LEAST, if not movies and software.

      It is just becoming so easy to plagiarize now days and copy other people's ideas. And even though discouraging advertisements call it "Stealing" (which is what it is), most people try to look at it as "sharing" or something that is not breaking the law.

      I don't know what point you are trying to make here, let alone what point I am trying to make, but I am not trying to give goody-goody speeches EF, and I am not trying to make a point based on self-opinion. I would call it more "self-experience" not self-opinion.

      Anyways...

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      Re: Illegal Software/Downloads
      « Reply #24 on: February 01, 2009, 01:46:25 PM »
      an opinion based on your own experience is still your own opinion. In fact... it's the very definition thereof...
      I was trying to dereference Null Pointers before it was cool.

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        « Reply #25 on: February 01, 2009, 01:51:53 PM »
        It sure is.

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        « Reply #26 on: February 01, 2009, 03:03:55 PM »
        no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that

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        « Reply #27 on: February 01, 2009, 03:06:40 PM »
        Oh dear...

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          « Reply #28 on: February 01, 2009, 03:07:26 PM »
          no i winn never i like to give cresit to who ever made the stuff (even if its crap) beacude stuff liek the they woked hard to make stuff like that

          oH ye m4n??1 leik d00d wat5 cresit? beacude liek wh0 woked had?

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            « Reply #29 on: February 01, 2009, 03:07:48 PM »