Author Topic: How can we spot evil intent by a Poster? (Read 6885 times)

billrich · « **on:** June 02, 2009, 10:43:04 AM »

How do we know when not to answer a post? How can we tell if a poster has evil intent? Are Posters guilty until proven innocent?
For example:

http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,84675.0.html

bashirpisj
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Batch File
« on: Today at 08:39:16 AM »

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Please make a bat file. Which delete all files and subfolders of a directory which has path c:\abc. But no confirmation messege should appears. i.e. /y switch should be used.

Thanks

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2009, 10:54:43 AM »

Without knowing any more information, you went ahead and posted the solution which could have drastic effects if used as a prank.

Secondly, you know what to do regarding viruses. Batch files are not the answer.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2009, 10:57:52 AM »

It's quite easy- people trying to do harm are EXTREMELY lazy- for example, in this instance they haven't done anything themselves and are going about it like they are giving us an assignment.

Also- In this case, at least- if they are aware of the /y switch they should also be aware of the /S switch so they could easily do it themselves.

Also- It's simply not possible to use a Innocent until proven guilty method, since by the time they would have proven their Guilt, the damage is done.

Even in the case were the poster is legitimately wanting information- such as in this case, deleting a tree of files - any information we provide can easily be translated into a malicious script.

Additionally This particular poster looks like... well, I forget his name, but he's been creating new accounts and asking similar questions as that for ages.

billrich · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2009, 11:03:43 AM »

Quote from: Carbon Dudeoxide on June 02, 2009, 10:54:43 AM

Without knowing any more information, you went ahead and posted the solution which could have drastic effects if used as a prank.

Secondly, you know what to do regarding viruses. Batch files are not the answer.

How did you know the poster had evil intentions?

He merely ask how to remove a directory?

Many people remove directories?

Why is removing a directory evil or dangerous?

There was no evidence to condem the poster.

What does this thread have do with viruses?

Carbon Wrote:

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"Secondly, you know what to do regarding viruses. Batch files are not the answer."

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2009, 11:20:41 AM »

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How did you know the poster had evil intentions?

He merely ask how to remove a directory?

Many people remove directories?

Why is removing a directory evil or dangerous?

There was no evidence to condem the poster.

they want to remove ALL files in a given directory without confirmation.

Also, they know how to remove directories- and about the /y switch. Why the heck they bothered posting is the real question.

TheHoFL · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2009, 11:50:10 AM »

What are you guys talking about. He said he wanted to make a virus...

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I want to try it as Virus
Just no more

That is what he posted.

patio · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:17:28 PM »

The Forum Rules are as clear on this as they can be...
As i stated to you BillRich in our conversation they are there for a reason...

BTW In answer to the Title of your Topic...you can't...
Henceforth the Rules.

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:19:04 PM »

Quote from: TheHoFL on June 02, 2009, 11:50:10 AM

What are you guys talking about. He said he wanted to make a virus...
That is what he posted.

that could mean anything!

maybe he needs to delete his Dr. Mario Rawmz!

billrich · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:59:39 PM »

BC wrote:

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"Also, they know how to remove directories- and about the /y switch. Why the heck they bothered posting is the real question."

Bashirpisj is pulling your leg, Playing with your unfounded paranoia of learning to be a Hacker from this Board of Nerds.

p.s. rmdir /? does not have /y switch ( option )

C:\>rmdir /?
Removes (deletes) a directory.

RMDIR [/S] [/Q] [drive:]path
RD [/S] [/Q] [drive:]path

/S Removes all directories and files in the specified directory
in addition to the directory itself. Used to remove a directory
tree.

/Q Quiet mode, do not ask if ok to remove a directory tree with /S

C:\>

BC_Programmer · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2009, 01:03:24 PM »

heh, I must of been thinking of deltree.

billrich · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2009, 03:49:31 PM »

Quote from: patio on June 02, 2009, 12:17:28 PM

The Forum Rules are as clear on this as they can be...
As i stated to you BillRich in our conversation they are there for a reason...

BTW In answer to the Title of your Topic...you can't...
Henceforth the Rules.

What are you referring to? Bashirpisj did not violate any rules. What rule do believe Bashirpisj violated? Bashirpisj ask how to remove a directory quietly without prompts or interference from the OS. How and why does this violate any of the "Hope" rules. Which rule was violated. Please list the rule.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2009, 03:52:09 PM »

You just need to look at the post and ask yourself this question: "Why would they want to do/know that? What could happen if they find out?"

billrich · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:21:34 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 03:52:09 PM

You just need to look at the post and ask yourself this question: "Why would they want to do/know that? What could happen if they find out?"

You are a lapdog filled with paranoia. You think a potential Hacker would come to the "Hope" board of nerds to learn how to hack?

That is absurd. Most Hackers know more about Computers than everyone on this Board combined.

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Definition Lap Dog:
One eager to do another's bidding, especially in order to maintain a position of privilege or favor. (Mike Barnicle)
http://www.answers.com/topic/lap-dog

Helpmeh · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:28:06 PM »

Quote from: billrich on June 02, 2009, 06:21:34 PM

You think a potential Hacker would come to the "Hope" board of nerds to learn how to hack?

You'd be suprised...

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:30:30 PM »

My bad. I thought he was trying to remove a virus. It's worse than that!

Quote from: bashirpisj on June 02, 2009, 08:51:27 AM

I want to try it as Virus
Just no more

Open your eyes, Billrich.

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 06:28:06 PM

You'd be suprised...

You'd be very surprised how many 'pranksters' come here. And btw, deleting files is not hacking....

Helpmeh · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2009, 06:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Carbon Dudeoxide on June 02, 2009, 06:30:30 PM

deleting files is not hacking....

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Batch can be used for pranking. Microsoft Visual Basic can be used for pranking. Batch can NOT be used for hacking.

gh0std0g74 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:17:39 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 06:33:12 PM

Batch can NOT be used for hacking.

this shows your ignorance. No i am not talking about pure batch. I am talking if you put tools like nc, nmap, nikto (etc and other command line hacking tools) in a batch file or simply just use them on the command line. Now, do you think your statement is correct?

Helpmeh · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:27:28 PM »

Quote from: gh0std0g74 on June 02, 2009, 07:17:39 PM

this shows your ignorance. No i am not talking about pure batch. I am talking if you put tools like nc, nmap, nikto (etc and other command line hacking tools) in a batch file or simply just use them on the command line. Now, do you think your statement is correct?

I meant pure batch...using stuff like del isn't hacking...

gh0std0g74 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 07:27:28 PM

using stuff like del isn't hacking...

why is that so? Do you know that part of hacking is deleting one's traces? eg log files that might capture the actions of hackers or a temp hidden directory where hacker may have put his tools...so in that case, del is useful, right? Or do you even know what is hacking?

Helpmeh · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:32:14 PM »

Quote from: gh0std0g74 on June 02, 2009, 07:30:07 PM

why is that so? Do you know that part of hacking is deleting one's traces? eg log files that might capture the actions of hackers or a temp hidden directory where hacker may have put his tools...so in that case, del is useful, right? Or do you even know what is hacking?

I mean like someone calling the following hacking:
@echo off
del "%userprofile%\*.*"

Deleting one's traces wouldn't be directly considered hacking, but it can aid a hack...and batch can't make "VIRUSES!"...

gh0std0g74 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 07:32:14 PM

and batch can't make "VIRUSES!"...

are you really sure what you are talking now? with a combination of tools, you can indeed make batch virus.

NB(from your previous post: VB can also be used to make macro viruses, don't you know that? )

Helpmeh · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:54:28 PM »

Quote from: gh0std0g74 on June 02, 2009, 07:47:47 PM

are you really sure what you are talking now? with a combination of tools, you can indeed make batch virus.

NB(from your previous post: VB can also be used to make macro viruses, don't you know that? )

Microsoft Visual Basic...I can make a form that freezes any Microsoft office program guarenteed after 2003.

billrich · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2009, 07:59:06 PM »

Carbon wrote:

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You'd be very surprised how many 'pranksters' come here. And BTW, deleting files is not hacking....

If removing a directory and sub directories and files is not dangerous, why are Patio, BC and Carbon so concerned?

Bashirpisj is pulling your leg, Playing with your unfounded paranoia of learning to be a Hacker from this Board of Nerds.

Absurd. Nerds lost in their own little world.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #23 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:02:06 PM »

Quote from: billrich on June 02, 2009, 07:59:06 PM

Carbon wrote:
If removing a directory and sub directories and files is not dangerous, why are Patio, BC and Carbon so concerned?

Bashirpisj is pulling your leg, Playing with your unfounded paranoia of learning to be a Hacker from this Board of Nerds.

Absurd. Nerds lost in their on little world.

Did we say it wasn't dangerous? No. We said it wasn't hacking.

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Unauthorized attempts to bypass the security mechanisms of an information system or network
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hacking

Using batch isn't really bypassing anything but the stupidity of the end user...anyone can view the source of a batch file, as long as they're smart enough to right click, and select edit.

gh0std0g74 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 08:02:06 PM

Using batch isn't really bypassing anything but the stupidity of the end user...anyone can view the source of a batch file, as long as they're smart enough to right click, and select edit.

no respectable hacker would even leave the batch file for you to right click on it.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #25 on:** June 02, 2009, 08:14:34 PM »

Quote from: gh0std0g74 on June 02, 2009, 08:06:30 PM

no respectable hacker would even leave the batch file for you to right click on it.

No hacker would do that.

A skiddie on a mission on the other hand (basically everyone who helped fill the network drive), would do that exact same thing.

Carbon Dudeoxide · « **Reply #26 on:** June 02, 2009, 09:05:55 PM »

You can indeed make viruses from batch files. However, this isn't the point here. Nor is hacking.

You're trailing off topic.

Helpmeh · « **Reply #27 on:** June 02, 2009, 09:08:41 PM »

Quote from: Helpmeh on June 02, 2009, 03:52:09 PM

You just need to look at the post and ask yourself this question: "Why would they want to do/know that? What could happen if they find out?"

Use your brain! If you're smart enough to get on the internet, you obviously have one.

patio · « **Reply #28 on:** June 02, 2009, 09:58:06 PM »

Since this has degenerated into slop it ends here.
Topic Closed.

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