Author Topic: Start up time. (Read 17141 times)

MP1975 · « **on:** June 29, 2009, 11:49:24 PM »

Can I reduce the length of time it takes windows to load on my laptop?

Long/Short

I doubled my memory, got rid of the unwanted, took my cd out of start up and a few other things and my laptop (HP Pavilion Dv2000) zips away. Compared to what I was use to anyway. lol

Now the only thing bugging me is that MS logo stays on the screen much to long. I'm assuming that's how long it takes to load windows. Is there a way to significantly reduce the start up time. I probably don't use 1/2 the junk its loading.

Thanks,
MP.

hot dog · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2009, 01:29:58 AM »

If you are using XP: START, click on RUN, type MSCONFIG, click OK, click on the "start up" tab, click on "disable all", click "apply", click OK, restart, and it should boot faster and generally be a little faster

If you are using Vista: START, type RUN in the search box, when it appears in the menu click on it and type: MSCONFIG click OK, click on the "start up" tab, click "disable all", click apply, click OK, restart the laptop...

You don't have to "disable all" if you don't want to...You can be selective.....just uncheck the programs you don't want running at start up.......However, some programs you might want running....like anti-virus stuff What ever programs you uncheck, make sure you click on "apply" and "OK" before you exit.

harry 48 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2009, 04:21:13 PM »

blockhead if i could ask a question , i went to msconfig , services , and a lot of microsoft services are ticked but it says stopped , why would this be , harry

hot dog · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:37:55 PM »

Quote from: harry 48 on June 30, 2009, 04:21:13 PM

blockhead if i could ask a question , i went to msconfig , services , and a lot of microsoft services are ticked but it says stopped , why would this be , harry

Not all services need to be running....and you definitely don't want any services running that you don't need....too many services running would bog down your system

If you find that you need a service to be running, at some point, in the Administrative Tools folder, click on the Services folder, and scroll down the list of difference services available on the system...by right-clicking on a service, you can stop it, or start it...

Karnac · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »

Services...

http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

harry 48 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:52:06 PM »

and a lot of microsoft services are ticked but it says stopped, ok but these are ticked i did not do it or stop them so why would that be

MP1975 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2009, 05:53:37 PM »

"IF" I click disable all when the system needs that particular service will it be able to use it?

patio · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:18:08 PM »

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If you are using XP: START, click on RUN, type MSCONFIG, click OK, click on the "start up" tab, click on "disable all", click "apply", click OK, restart, and it should boot faster and generally be a little faster

This is actually if you think about probably not sound advice at all as in some instances can render a stubborn machine un-bootable...

Also since msconfig can create issues at bootup it's best to use services.msc to selectively disable running processes...

I'd highly suggest against giving this advice in future.

Carry on ...

hot dog · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:22:23 PM »

Quote from: patio on June 30, 2009, 06:18:08 PM

This is actually if you think about probably not sound advice at all as in some instances can render a stubborn machine un-bootable...

Also since msconfig can create issues at bootup it's best to use services.msc to selectively disable running processes...

I'd highly suggest against giving this advice in future.

Carry on ...

How would disabling "start up" programs render a system, unbootable?

hot dog · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:24:54 PM »

Quote from: harry 48 on June 30, 2009, 05:52:06 PM

and a lot of microsoft services are ticked but it says stopped, ok but these are ticked i did not do it or stop them so why would that be

Are you having any problems with your computer at the moment? If not, I wouldn't worry about it......That is, unless some malware has disabled some important security services....You might want to consult the Virus forum..

hot dog · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2009, 06:29:15 PM »

Quote from: MP1975 on June 30, 2009, 05:53:37 PM

"IF" I click disable all when the system needs that particular service will it be able to use it?

If you prefer to disabled services at Patio suggested, I would start clicking on the "services" tab instead and checking the box that says: Hide All Microsoft Services At that point, all Mircosoft Services will be hidden and you will only see third party services... Then you can be selective

But if your computer is still taking a long time to boot, try disabling programs in the "start up" tab...

Broni · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:05:39 PM »

OK. I know, patio disagrees with me, but this is my stand...
1. "Startup" tab in msconfig - all entries can be disabled with no ill effect; the main reason - there are no Micro$oft/Windows entries there.
I'm not saying, all should be disabled, because obviously, you'll need some of them. For testing purposes, they can be unchecked, and you're fine.
If you want to know, which one are needed, which ones are not, check couple of sites:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/
http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php
2. Services - for testing purposes, all non-Micro$oft services in msconfig can be disabled with no ill effects.
Again, it doesn't mean, they should be disabled.
The best place to find out, which services you need, visit: http://www.blackviper.com/
NOTE. Disabling services won't visibly speed up your computer, so, if you're not sure what you're doing, leave them alone.

MP1975 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:19:11 PM »

Something is terribly wrong.

I disabled just a few options then wanted to see if I saw any results. Since my laptop was just a bit slow while the windows logo was on the screen and the little bar was on the bottom going from left to right I figured why push it and leave it alone. Especially after reading what patio had said. Well low and behold when I go to restart my laptop it says you have made changes to teh startup etc etc please select normal startup. So I do........................(Heres where my trouble begins) My laptop is now loading everything under the sun even the PROGRAMS I havent been running in a while and disabled using Ccleaner. The longest time ago I changed procnum to 2 to use the duel processing and speed up start time and that had to be redone. It seems all my changes have been undone. lol AND I just got the *censored* thing with new memory pretty streamlined. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY ! And I just asked this question last night for the *censored* of it when I reboot now it says I need to run chkdsk if I want to cancel I have 9 seconds to do so by hittin gnay key....It cancels without me touching anykey all by itself. Like I said something is terribly wrong.

hot dog · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:22:21 PM »

Quote from: MP1975 on June 30, 2009, 07:19:11 PM

I disabled just a few options

What did you disable? Was it something/s in the Services Tab, or in the Start Up Tab?

MP1975 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:37:41 PM »

Alerter
Application Gateway
Application Management
Background intelligent transfer service
Clipbook

Nothing that sounded dramatic and mostly stuff used with multiply users or other computers. I use my laptop as a standalone with no other users. All "SHOULD" have been safe.

I made the changes in the services tab.

The chkdsk probably worries me the most. Getting it fast again will just take time and patience which I have but the chkdsk ? This pc has been pretty good to me so far.

MP1975 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:40:42 PM »

Quote from: Karnac on June 30, 2009, 05:47:27 PM

Services...

http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm

I basically started at the top of this list and worked my way down. Got to about the letter H.

hot dog · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:46:07 PM »

Shut down the computer....Turn it back on and immediately tap the F8 key..

When advanced options appear, select Safe Mode...

From there, go back into the Services Tab and re-enable the services that you disabled...Click apply, and click OK, but do not restart yet.....Next go into the START UP tab and click on "disable all", click "apply", click OK and restart.........verify if your original problem has improved..

Broni · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:46:35 PM »

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it says you have made changes to teh startup etc etc please select normal startup

This is normal message, whenever you make any startup changes.
You simply agree to selective startup, and checkmark "Don't show this message again".
When you selected "Normal startup" all changes ever made to startups were undone.

hot dog · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:49:36 PM »

I guess I missed the part where he didn't except the changes he made....but I still think he should start by disabling START UP programs, and if that doesn't help, THEN move on to Services

MP1975 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:51:04 PM »

Blockhead ,

Will do running spyware right now. lol Had to try something !

Broni ,

That does make sense. (Slaps forehead)

I really should have left well enough alone. lol

hot dog · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:53:42 PM »

Your problem could very well be related to spyware or viruses, but it's generally best to eliminate the obvious first.......I'm not saying you are wrong for running anti spyware right now

MP1975 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:55:14 PM »

I doubt it. Haven't been on th einternet today and the PC was soaring away until I clicked a few buttons.

MP1975 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2009, 07:57:16 PM »

Just tried SAFE MODE and it shut itself down. BLACK SCREEN!

hot dog · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:20:24 PM »

OK, try this

instead of selecting SAFE MODE

Select Safe Mode With Command Prompt

When it boots up, type:

%systemroot%\system32\restore\rstrui.exe

press enter and give it a few moments to come up......select a day when you know your computer was acceptable and restore your computer...

When the restore completes......While in normal mode, go into the "START UP" tab in MSCONFIG and disable all, apply, OK, and restart...

MP1975 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:32:38 PM »

First off I really appreciate all the time and help its been a real learning experience. Thanks.

But I have to ask,

"IF" I get it back to where I was before I started plundering around by restoring it to yesterday. Why am I doing the disable all in the MSCONFIG ? If we are still going to try and reduce the time the windows logo page is on the screen I think I can live with that. lol

Just so I know for sure....When that logo page is on the screen it's loading the OS ...Right?

hot dog · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:38:03 PM »

Our goal here is to reduce the time it takes for Windows to boot up, and help your computer to generally be a little faster...... Do the system restore the way I suggested and disable the things in START UP tab, if it doesn't help windows boot faster, then we will try something else..

Broni · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:38:05 PM »

Stop it right there.
To be on a safe side, when you got your computer back....

Download HijackThis:
http://www.trendsecure.com/portal/en-US/tools/security_tools/hijackthis/download
by clicking on Download HijackThis Installer
Install, and run it.
Post HijackTHis log.
Do NOT attempt to fix anything!

NOTE. If you're using Vista, right click on HijackThis, and click Run as Administrator

....and I'll help you with sorting startups out.

Broni · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:39:03 PM »

Also...

Please, post some computer info:
- processor type, amount of RAM (hold Windows logo key, hit Pause/Break key)
- hard drive size/free space (open "My Computer", right click on hard drive letter, click "Properties")

MP1975 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:39:14 PM »

OK I restarted in safemode with cmd prompt and it came up.
I typed in the system restore command and the windows screen came up.
When I went to move my cursor to next the screen went black and the pc shutdown.

hot dog · « **Reply #29 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:41:00 PM »

hmmmm...........at this point I would follow Broni's suggestions..

Broni · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:41:15 PM »

Do you have Windows XP CD?

MP1975 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:44:01 PM »

Quote from: Broni on June 30, 2009, 08:39:03 PM

Also...

Please, post some computer info:
- processor type, amount of RAM (hold Windows logo key, hit Pause/Break key)
- hard drive size/free space (open "My Computer", right click on hard drive letter, click "Properties")

I have an HP Pavilion Dv2000
2gig of ram 1.61mgz
SP3
AMD TURION 64 X 2

I have HJT on my laptop but no connection to the internet to post it?

MP1975 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:44:34 PM »

?? I should have it home. I HOPE!

Broni · « **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:46:27 PM »

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I have HJT on my laptop but no connection to the internet to post it?

I thought, it couldn't boot at all, or we're talking about two different computers?

MP1975 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:47:34 PM »

I also ran malware /superanti spyware / and all was clean.

I used my computer yesterday and it was fine. Only place I WENT WAS YAHOO MAIL Opened nothing and Full tilt poker. Cam eto work and there is no internet here. I run the above almost daily. lol

MP1975 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:49:47 PM »

OK lets take a step back.

It boots in normal mode. I tried in safe mode and the screen just goes black. I tried in safemode with command prompt and it died when I went to moce the cursor on "NEXT" doing a system restore.

The PC works its just sluggish when it was speedy and its looking to do a chkdsk but without me touching a key just cancels itself.

Broni · « **Reply #36 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:51:32 PM »

Why don't you try system restore in normal mode then?

MP1975 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:52:06 PM »

HD 99 GIG AND FREE SPACE 68 GIG

Quantos · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:52:38 PM »

Quote from: Broni on June 30, 2009, 08:51:32 PM

Why don't you try system restore in normal mode then?

Try what Broni is suggesting...

MP1975 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:54:46 PM »

Sounds like a plan Sam.

And exactly where do I find it? lol

Broni · « **Reply #40 on:** June 30, 2009, 08:57:10 PM »

Start>All Programs>Accessories>System Tools.

MP1975 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:00:21 PM »

Cross your fingers. I know I AM! LOL

Oy vey what a friggin day.

Broni · « **Reply #42 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:01:27 PM »

I crossed all TEN fingers

Quantos · « **Reply #43 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Broni on June 30, 2009, 09:01:27 PM

I crossed all TEN fingers

You are a very talented typist....

Broni · « **Reply #44 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:04:22 PM »

I used toes to type

Quantos · « **Reply #45 on:** June 30, 2009, 09:24:23 PM »

Don't get upset or anything, remember, this is only a SUGGESTION.

Maybe next time cross your toes....

MP1975 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:10:36 PM »

Just shakes head. lol

Sorry had to work that is why I'm here.

Trying it now.

MP1975 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:22:47 PM »

I may be as fast as it use to be BUT I still get the chkdsk message.

Broni · « **Reply #48 on:** June 30, 2009, 10:58:53 PM »

Tell us what exactly happens, and when.

MP1975 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:09:07 PM »

One or more disks need to be checked for consistency. It is strongly reccommended you let chkdsk run. you have X seconds to hit any key and cancel chkdsk.
Chkdsk has been cancelled.

And I haven't touched a key the system cancels chkdsk itself?

Broni · « **Reply #50 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:11:02 PM »

Click Start, then Run, type cmd, and click "Ok". At the prompt in the command window that opens, type:
fsutil dirty query C:
and press "Enter".
Does the result of this indicate the drive is "Dirty"?

MP1975 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:12:18 PM »

Yep its dirty

Broni · « **Reply #52 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:14:12 PM »

* If you have Spyware Doctor installed, uninstall it.
* If you have ZoneAlarm installed, open it, click the "Overview" tab, then select "Preferences", and UNcheck the "Protect ZA Client" check box.

Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the prompt in the Command window, type the following commands, pressing "Enter" after each one:
Please, note the spaces.

* chkntfs /d ..... (This will reset autocheck options to default...will come back invalid on some installations)
* chkntfs /c C: ..... (This will allow checking the specified drive )
* chkntfs /x C: ..... (The x switch tells Windows to NOT check the specified drive on the next boot)

At this point, restart your computer, it will not do a chkdsk and will boot directly to Windows.

This next step is important as this is where the Dirty Bit will be unset.

Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the command prompt, type the following, pressing "Enter" after each one:
Again, note the spaces.

* chkdsk /f /r C: ..... (To manually run a full chkdsk operation on the specified drive)
* Y ..... (To accept having it run on the next boot)

This should take you through 5 stages of the scan and will unset the Dirty Bit. Be patient...this is a very thorough check and will take quite a while.

Finally, when the chkdsk operation has completed, type fsutil dirty query C:, press "Enter", and Windows will confirm that the Dirty Bit is not set on that drive.

Reboot again and see if chkdsk still runs on startup.

MP1975 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:21:30 PM »

I found this on the net a few hours ago and tried it but since I did a system restore and set things back a few days I tried it again. It said the process is in use would I like to run chkdsk the next time windows starts I put in a y and reboot and receive the same message I originally told you. A vicious circle I have here.

Broni · « **Reply #54 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:24:18 PM »

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It said the process is in use

At what point of the above manual?

MP1975 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:26:39 PM »

* chkdsk /f /r C: ..... (To manually run a full chkdsk operation on the specified drive)

HERE And then it asks me

* Y ..... (To accept having it run on the next boot)

Broni · « **Reply #56 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:29:30 PM »

I assume, you ran these first?

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* chkntfs /d ..... (This will reset autocheck options to default...will come back invalid on some installations)
* chkntfs /c C: ..... (This will allow checking the specified drive )
* chkntfs /x C: ..... (The x switch tells Windows to NOT check the specified drive on the next boot)

MP1975 · « **Reply #57 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:32:29 PM »

Yes sir ran everything in order note for note and when I rebooted toward the end received the chkdsk screen and it timed itself out without me touching a key and said it has been cancelled?

Broni · « **Reply #58 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:38:29 PM »

Something fishy here....

Run hard drive diagnostics: http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287
Make sure, you select tool, which is appropriate for the brand of your hard drive.
Depending on the program, it'll create bootable floppy, or bootable CD.
If downloaded file is of .iso type, use ImgBurn: http://www.imgburn.com/ to burn .iso file to a CD, and make the CD bootable.

NOTE. If your hard drive is made by Toshiba, unfortunately, you're out of luck, because Toshiba doesn't provide any diagnostic tool.

MP1975 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:53:44 PM »

Broni your not going to believe this.

I ran NTREGOPT and optimized the drive and there is no more chkdsk message coming up when I reboot and I have rebooted 3 times.

ANY CLUES?

MP1975 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 30, 2009, 11:55:26 PM »

Should I try and run chkdsk or leave well enough alone?

Broni · « **Reply #61 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:49:27 AM »

Nice to have Erunt? Paid off, huh?
I'm glad, the problem got resolved in some weird way

I'd run that hard drive diagnostic anyway.

MP1975 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 01, 2009, 11:04:03 AM »

Yep I believe Ntregopt is part of Erunt.

Just tried chkdsk again and had the same results.
I reboot it says I have 9 sec to cancel then it cancels itself with out me touching a key.

I reran Ntregopt and rebooted and no more chkdsk screen when I reboot.

Could the chkdsk file be corrupt? And am I really sure of the integrity of the hard drive?

Thanks a mill,
MP.

harry 48 · « **Reply #63 on:** July 01, 2009, 02:55:21 PM »

no problems blockhead , just reading and asking

Broni · « **Reply #64 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:45:51 PM »

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I'd run that hard drive diagnostic anyway.

patio · « **Reply #65 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:50:26 PM »

I agree.....First.
Then see if chkdsk /r will run to completion.
If it does you may be out of the woods...

MP1975 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 01, 2009, 05:28:32 PM »

I did run Erunt ...TWICE... With the same results , as I've described, each time.

I've only tried NTREGOPT or Erunt. Can you suggest something else?

Broni · « **Reply #67 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:46:30 PM »

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Run hard drive diagnostics: http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287
Make sure, you select tool, which is appropriate for the brand of your hard drive.
Depending on the program, it'll create bootable floppy, or bootable CD.
If downloaded file is of .iso type, use ImgBurn: http://www.imgburn.com/ to burn .iso file to a CD, and make the CD bootable.

NOTE. If your hard drive is made by Toshiba, unfortunately, you're out of luck, because Toshiba doesn't provide any diagnostic tool.

MP1975 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:52:38 PM »

(Slaps forehead) I missed another one. lol

Reading another thread I was wondering if this applied to my case also, sfc /scannow, but I haven't tried it yet.

I will try the HD diag suggestion but have to wait until I get home. I have no internet access here at work.

Thanks a mill,
MP.

MP1975 · « **Reply #69 on:** July 01, 2009, 06:59:55 PM »

Just noticed another issue that I am assuming is an offshoot from last nights debacle. lol

When I booted up my laptop just now I noticed there is no sound coming out of it. I went into control panel, system, hardware and found my audiodriver. There is a Yellow exclamation point next to it and when I double click it it says Code 39 and that windows cannot load the driver?

Should I delete it and reboot to see if it reloads?

Momma Mia! lol

Broni · « **Reply #70 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:34:28 PM »

Don't delete anything. Get sound driver from your computer manufacturer site.

patio · « **Reply #71 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:40:28 PM »

Should be on the laptop Driver CD that shipped with the machine ....
If not grab it from the site as Broni suggested.

Broni · « **Reply #72 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:44:54 PM »

If all fails, we'll find it for you. Check that drive, first.

MP1975 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 01, 2009, 07:59:57 PM »

Should be on the laptop Driver CD that shipped with the machine ....

I may just know where that is. So I reboot with the cd in the drive and it will find it?

ANd what about the scf/scannow suggestion. lol I have a feeling it'll get shot down but figured I'd give it the ole college try.

Broni · « **Reply #74 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:13:29 PM »

R-u-n H-D t-e-s-t, first

MP1975 · « **Reply #75 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:14:43 PM »

lmfao

I HEAR YA LOUD N CLEAR!

Broni · « **Reply #76 on:** July 01, 2009, 08:15:49 PM »

Finally

MP1975 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 02, 2009, 12:55:28 PM »

Here are my choices and I know some do not apply but more then one does. Which do I choose.

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=287#samsung

And if I need the one I think it is it says I need a 1.44 which I do not have.

Broni · « **Reply #78 on:** July 02, 2009, 05:05:09 PM »

Get ES-Tool (The Drive Diagnostic Utility) v2.12a (03.12.2009)
- Download ES-Tool Bootable CD ISO (Direct Link)

Use my previous instruction to burn .iso file to a CD to make it bootable.

MP1975 · « **Reply #79 on:** July 03, 2009, 07:43:42 PM »

Been working lots of overtime so not much time to play with the puter, BUT, I haven't forgotten and I did get my Audio back, TYVM.

Everyone have a great holiday weekend and be safe.

Peace,
MP.

Broni · « **Reply #80 on:** July 03, 2009, 07:56:43 PM »

You too

Keep us posted.

Quantos · « **Reply #81 on:** July 04, 2009, 01:49:55 AM »

Quote from: MP1975 on July 03, 2009, 07:43:42 PM

Been working lots of overtime so not much time to play with the puter, BUT, I haven't forgotten and I did get my Audio back, TYVM.

Everyone have a great holiday weekend and be safe.

Peace,
MP.

You got some OT, good to hear. Have a good one bro.

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