E-mail leak has Google threatening to leave China

[Quantos]

The Internet is the last free place, allbeit, a virtual place.

It's never been free and never will be.  There has always been someone monitoring someone.

I'm not allowed in the US anymore, I used to distribute 128bit encryption beyond the borders of North America.  The internet has never been a free domain, you have your head up your @$$ if you think otherwise.

[Helpmeh]

It's never been free and never will be.  There has always been someone monitoring someone.

The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.

[BC_Programmer]

The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.

never before have I seen so much cluelessness condensed into a single person.

those sites are living under the false assumption that they are "free" and "unmonitored".

That, is bollocks.

[Quantos]

The "dark side"/deep end of the Internet is said to be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. Try looking up Freenet. Sure, they can try and monitor those sites, but they can't do Jack about them.

Get your head out of your @$$.  Pure bunk.

[mroilfield]

be over 500 times greater than the widely known Internet. 

Care to elaborate here?

Does it fix you coffee or something while browsing? Can you log and and have it mow your lawn or pick your kids up from school? Will it remind you to feed your cat to your dog so he doesn't starve?

What supposedly makes it 500 times greater?

[Salmon Trout]

Get your head out of your @$$.  Pure bunk.

Are you sure?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/26/dark-side-internet-freenet

[Helpmeh]

Care to elaborate here?

Does it fix you coffee or something while browsing? Can you log and and have it mow your lawn or pick your kids up from school? Will it remind you to feed your cat to your dog so he doesn't starve?

What supposedly makes it 500 times greater?

In size.

[Mulreay]

I generally think that when something is labelled as secure and free. It's just what big brother wants you to think. Anything that has a beginning and an end can be traced from it's origin to it's destination.
Simple fact. I could be wrong but that's my take on things.

[Salmon Trout]

Most sources estimate that the deep Web is several orders of magnitude larger than the surface Web. An order of magnitude is the class of scale or magnitude of any amount, where each class contains values of a fixed ratio to the class preceding it. In its most common usage, the amount being scaled is 10 and the scale is the (base 10) exponent being applied to this amount. Thus a repair bill of a thousand dollars (10^3) is 2 orders of magnitude greater than a bill of 10 dollars (10^1). In ordinary English usage "several" means roughly "an indefinite number more than 2 or 3 but not many". So 500:1 is not an unrealistic ratio.

[mroilfield]

In size.

How in the heck can you measure the size of the internet? What is the total capacity of the internet? How much space is used? How much space is available? Has it been defragged recently?


This reminds me of the commercial where a guy is about ready to pull his hair out over his dial up connection. Then he upgrades to high speed and in a few hours of browsing he gets a message saying he has reached the end of the internet.

[Mulreay]

I'm not saying the ratio is unrealistic. It is possible for people to trudge around in all that waste and 'dead' addresses etc then use them to conduct illegal activity. They hit then run as even they know if you stick around you will be traced. Hence everything is being watched by someone, somewhere.

[Helpmeh]

the end of the internet.

Single serving sites...ytmnd.com

The actual site is at http://www.wwwdotcom.com/

[Salmon Trout]

How in the heck can you measure the size of the internet?

It doesn't go on for ever; there are a finite number of servers and connected computers. An estimate is possible. Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google, the world’s largest index of the Internet, in 2003, estimated the size at roughly 5 million terabytes of data. Note "roughly". He further estimated that Google had indexed about 0.004% of the total data. Nowadays people say it has doubtless topped 1 petabyte.

[patio]

Very good point Salmon....

It has a finite size...ever growing but still finite.

[Helpmeh]

Some sources say Google has only indexed about 0.03% of the Internet.