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Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2010, 12:05:58 PM »
No point, I just didn't like the patronising reply from BC to my initial post.




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    Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
    « Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 01:10:59 PM »
    Ill admit there are some real MS fans here, but if you feel he was "smarting off"towards you....... did you doing it back help the debate any?? This is a help and discussion site.... not WWX cagematch!! LOL!!

    BC Programmer.... Vista was another "groundbreaker.. but to many, it was issue filled, tho this could be in part to issues with different computer and hardware "combo's"... some easily compatible.. so not so. Mine I'm quite sure was a "not so".. but it seems whatever revision MS did to "7" seems to have worked, in my case anyway! Yours Vista must have liked.... who knows for sure.?? Also, when cleaning the excess programs off my wifes "old" computer so my one kid can use it for games an such.... I "found out" (I knew this, just slipped the mind, too much going on here lately!) that when XP starts to dog down slow...... Go in and DUMP all those Temp Internet files etc...... my guess is they hog up too much ram, when I ran CC cleaner... it was taking forever going thru the temp files... hit cancel, went in a manually dumped it all. Ran CC Cleaner afterwards.. NOW XP is QUICK! simple, but easily forgettable in the day to day life.... it's the easy stuff you miss.....

    Also, the UAC was a "nuisance" at times, but with all the kids/grandkids that show up here.... having something that keeps little fingers from messing up my computer when they "sneak by" us is a GOOD thing.. better SAFE than sorry, so I had no beef with that one!!

    Visuals?? Check the ones you don't want off!! I think the biggest beef was "compatibility issues".... hardware like I said.... things don't mix, then get fouled up, people get pi@$#d off real fast! Trust me! ;-)

    Any.. I vote FOR "7"..... your opinions may vary...

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    Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
    « Reply #17 on: February 12, 2010, 01:17:13 PM »
    Windows 7 is not Vista.
    No joke.

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    Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
    « Reply #18 on: February 12, 2010, 01:37:33 PM »
    No point, I just didn't like the patronising reply from BC to my initial post.





    ahh, I see. You didn't like your response to your troll post so you continued to troll, but couldn't even bothered to come up with another precious gem of a content-less post so you repeated the previous one. By the way, THIS post is patronizing. my previous one was informative. See the difference?



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    Visuals?? Check the ones you don't want off!! I think the biggest beef was "compatibility issues".... hardware like I said.... things don't mix, then get fouled up, people get pi@$#d off real fast! Trust me! ;-)
    This is an issue with all Windows OS's; remember, Windows Vista introduced a new driver Architecture; Windows 7 is still using that same architecture, so this might contribute to any perceived increased compatibility.

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    Ill admit there are some real MS fans here,

    I just thought of something... an interesting parallel.

    People complain, OS wise, about how their older programs don't work in a newer OS; I've covered that this is usually because the program wasn't written right, etc. But I haven't said a whole lot about the development tools that MS themselves release.

    Microsoft's First product was a BASIC interpreter. Every new release was almost always fully compatible with the previous one; you could load BASIC code you wrote for GW-BASIC into QBASIC or QuickBasic and run it just fine. This continued up until the first Visual Basic versions for windows, which needed some minor modifications due to the change from a text-based interface to a Graphical one.
    With Each version of Visual Basic, you could almost be certain that you could load a project from a previous version with no issues. Visual Basic 2 Projects Loaded with VB3, VB3 project with VB4, VB4 projects with VB5 (with changes if your app was predominantly 16-bit) VB5 projects in VB6... this makes sense, considering, for example, you can always use all excel versions to open at least (and usually a lot more) previous versions documents. All versions of excel, and word, and powerpoint, etc work this way.

    However, for some reason, when MS created .NET and added VB to it, they orphaned over 10 million Software developers who were using Visual Basic. There are more lines of code written in Visual Basic then there are in COBOL, and that's saying something. You can not open any non-trivial VB6 application with .NET and get it working without major changes.

    Now this presents two problems: first off, why would they do this to the largest established development tool in the world? and Second, if they are going to do this once, for the first time, to a product that had been around for nearly 20 years, whose to say it won't get easier with time? "oh yeah, we threw everything away for .NET 2012, yep, your going to need to rewrite all your applications. we like this new organization that actually adds no functional value and instead makes  things more confusing by grouping vaguely similar objects into namespaces with even more vague names, but hey, that's progress." Basically, it's hard to commit to a new MS tool when they've already swept a base of customers as large as those who used "classic" VB under the rug... whose to say they won't do it again.

    And is Office still safe? will they release a Office.NET that completely breaks backward compatibility? No, probably not.  s why with a development tool?
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    Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
    « Reply #19 on: February 12, 2010, 01:41:53 PM »
    Windows 7 is not Vista.
    No joke.

    Windows 7 isn't really a whole lot better then Windows Vista, at least, it's no better compared to Windows Vista then Windows Vista was to XP, or XP was to 2000, etc; but rather, the biggest, most important difference? Is the fact that they released it to a public beta. That's the ONLY reason it's so much more popular then Vista. if they had done the same with Vista we would have had the same results.

    Also it's important to underscore that this is the first public beta; they had beta releases and beta testers for almost all the Windows OS's; 7 was the first one that was open-ended and available to the public. It's a great OS, but there really is no argument that the main reason for it's positive receipt is that it went through a public beta; people knew what to expect.
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    Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
    « Reply #20 on: February 12, 2010, 05:25:39 PM »
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    n...o argument that the main reason for it's positive receipt is that it went through a public beta...
    Even if it is the only reason, that makes it much  better.

    Think about it. Would buy a whole new style of clothing from Levi Strauss with little knowledge of whet it will turn out to be?  Maybe. If other people did first and told you good things about the new style.

    Microsoft's decision to do public beta was a brilliant idea. And not just a Marketing thing. Microsoft has made better user orientated software  because more users reported automatically the good and bad. 

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      « Reply #21 on: February 15, 2010, 11:48:52 PM »
      Guys and gals, please do not take out your frustrations ::) on me and my simple question.....and thank you who answered that one... ;D

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      Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
      « Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 12:49:01 AM »
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      However, for some reason, when MS created .NET and added VB to it, they orphaned over 10 million Software developers who were using Visual Basic. There are more lines of code written in Visual Basic then there are in COBOL, and that's saying something. You can not open any non-trivial VB6 application with .NET and get it working without major changes.

      That is why I am frustrated! The .NET thing is, first of all, an insult to our intellect. Naming anything in the English language with a dot in front is just not the thing we do. That is so juvenile. Maybe they could have called it MS-Net and that would be within reason.

      Worse thing is what it does the operating system. It is a major overhaul of the system. This rules out the possibility of a third party making a similar run time library. Guess why they did that?  Think of $$$. Hey, they should have called it $$$NET and let everybody know what it really is about.

      I got a new version of Dragon Naturally Speaking. It requires the run time for the MS C++ stuff.  And  the C++ should have been named C-- instead.  And as BC-programmer said, Microsoft cur off millions of independent programmers.

      But soon Microsoft will fail. Or at least lose a big part of their market share. But when? It may take another ten years. Or maybe not.

      But that is not a reason to stop using Windows 7. It will continue to be useful for awhile. Maybe three to five years.

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      Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
      « Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 04:45:31 AM »
      That is why I am frustrated! The .NET thing is, first of all, an insult to our intellect. Naming anything in the English language with a dot in front is just not the thing we do. That is so juvenile. Maybe they could have called it MS-Net and that would be within reason.
      that's kind of a silly critique of .NET... I don't see how having a name beginning with a period is either juvenile or an insult to our intelligence.

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      Worse thing is what it does the operating system. It is a major overhaul of the system. This rules out the possibility of a third party making a similar run time library. Guess why they did that?  Think of $$$. Hey, they should have called it $$$NET and let everybody know what it really is about.

      A:) it doesn't do anything to the operating system. It adds a service for debugging and that's pretty much it. And it certainly did NOT rule out  the possibility of a third party creating a "similar" run-time library; there are near perfect clones of the entire thing created in Visual Basic 6; I believe it is called "vbcorlib" or "vbcorelib" not certain. Second, what about Mono? why does that not count?

      Third, I really don't see what money would have to do with it. the run-time is free. the development environment is not. In fact, the argument applies to Visual Basic 6 a lot more then it does to .NET. .NET has had it's run-time ported to other OS's; the VB6 run-time has not. the VB6 run-time is just as free as the .NET run-time, and the IDE is a paid-for product. Somehow I'm not seeing where your criticisms apply exclusively to .NET, if at all.



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      I got a new version of Dragon Naturally Speaking. It requires the run time for the MS C++ stuff.  And  the C++ should have been named C-- instead.

      err- why? Why would it be called C--? it supports the ANSI C++ standard just fine. Not sure what your getting at. the only thing you seem to be complaining about is the C++ run-time redistributable. Big surprise; Delphi needs a redistributable run-time. So do nearly all programming languages; Vb6 is of course no exception, nor VC6. And those programming languages t hat Don't require a run-time are simply statically linked with no option to do so dynamically; all versions of Visual C++ allow for static linking rather then dynamic linking. But there is absolutely no advantage whatsoever.
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      Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
      « Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 11:55:18 AM »
      BC_Programmer,

      this time your are right and i am the one just ranting about my frustratioN .It just seems that MS is making trouble for use, AND i am having trouble with my caps lock key!!!


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      Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
      « Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 12:39:43 PM »
      Microsoft's decision to do public beta was a brilliant idea.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't MS usually done some type of public beta testing, just before on a much more limited basis.  I don't remember the version numbers, but I know of several people that had beta versions of previous win versions for testing long before win 7.

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        Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
        « Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 12:55:48 PM »
        Back then you had to be signed up as a MS beta tester. Of course, these copies often got leaked to the public, but on Win7 the public was invited to download from MS.

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        Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
        « Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 03:48:21 PM »
        Back then you had to be signed up as a MS beta tester. Of course, these copies often got leaked to the public, but on Win7 the public was invited to download from MS.
        Yes! Glad I got mine. And after that I forked up the money for a special deal. I got both Vista and & home for about $110 for a major vendor. Such a deal!

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        Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
        « Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 04:54:03 PM »
        Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't MS usually done some type of public beta testing, just before on a much more limited basis.  I don't remember the version numbers, but I know of several people that had beta versions of previous win versions for testing long before win 7.

        Compared to the pre-release of Win7 all other MS OS releases had probably at best 2 to 5 % of the amount of testers...
        They still had BETA testers so to speak of which i am 1 but went 1 step further and released time out copies of both the BETA and the Release Candidate to the General Public...therefore creating in essence literally millions of BETA testers...

        Granted many of those probably never took the time to send bug reports in but enough of them did to far outweigh those who didn't...

        Brilliant marketing i say.
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          Re: any reason why I should keep W7??
          « Reply #29 on: February 17, 2010, 04:42:05 AM »
          both the BETA and the Release Candidate to the General Public...therefore creating in essence literally millions of BETA testers...

          I still see Vista as a long beta of 7, so that's even more time and testers to work out bugs :-)

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          Brilliant marketing i say.

          Right. It gives testers a sense of an ownership relationship by having been involved in it during pre-release stages.

          Plus it gives kind of an "insider" feeling by getting in on it before general release.